Should The Raptors Revisit The Siakam To Warriors Trade?

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

I want holmgreen so yes please

[Los_29]

The Warriors trade actually never existed. It was pure fantasy. lol

The Warriors have been trying to package young players for a win-now star for a while now and Pascal’s clearly on the block. It makes too much sense for the rumors not to be true

It all depends how highly the Warriors value Siakam. If they think they can get a Beal/Lillard they’ll wait. I think Siakam would be a perfect fit w/ Steph & Klay tho vs. another guard

But we have no proof it ever existed. We just can't make assumptions that these fantasy deals that were created on a basketball message board are true.

The fact that GSW drafted Kuminga and Moody should put an end to these rumours. They drafted two guys that are nowhere near ready. If they were looking to compete then they would've done everything in their power to unload those picks or at the very least try to draft some players that are more NBA ready.

There were rumours that the Warriors would be interested in a guy like Beal but there were never rumours that they were willing to trade Wiseman, Wiggins and the 7th and 14th for Pascal. None whatsoever.

[Spida888]

My guess is we will need to wait closer to December/January to see where both teams stand.

Raps would like to see how we look when plugging back in Siakam, and he would have an opportunity to raise his stock as well if he looks good.

If GSW is looking close to contention and need to get over the hump, we may have some pieces in Siakam/Dragic/Boucher that might interest them.

[Saul Goodman]

It’s a tough one because I’d like to see OG/Scottie/Pascal all together but if for example by January we’re under 500 and many games back of the play in you have to consider it.

Wiseman
Kuminga
Moody
Looney
1st


For

Pascal
Yuta

[HiJiNX]

It’s a tough one because I’d like to see OG/Scottie/Pascal all together but if for example by January we’re under 500 and many games back of the play in you have to consider it.

Wiseman
Kuminga
Moody
Looney
1st


For

Pascal
Yuta

Siakam is not worth three lottery selections, a good role player and a future first round pick. That’s a franchise player deal.

Anyway, it’s weird that after we’ve seen how bad our halfcourt offence is without Siakam that we would want to trade him. He’s just entering his prime. Barnes is way farther ahead than we thought. It’s feasible that Barnes is the best player on this team in three years which would be sick because Siakam, Fred, OG will be in their primes.

Y’all just need to be a little patient.

[vulture]

I don’t think trading Siakam for lottery picks or young players who’ve shown nothing is what the raptors want to do.
The idea is to trade for a superstar to pair with this roster.

[Merit]

Naw we gotta wait on this. We haven’t seen how Pascal looks with the group yet. If anything, move on from GTJ and Dragic and Flynn and get Ben Simmons/Shake Milton.

Simmons/FVV/Banton
Barnes/Milton/Johnson
OG/Yuta/Svi/Dekker
Pascal/Boucher/Champagnie
Precious/Birch/Bonga

We’d def need a shooter but defensively we would be absolute monsters and ridiculously huge.

[DangerZone13]

I don't think we'll see a Raptors trade until mid-January. Even if GTJ isn't moved, I think they'll wait until he COULD be included in offers to see just how much buying power their most moveable pieces (Dragic, Boucher, GTJ, Flynn, Birch? Spicy? FVV?) have.

I expect Siakam and VanVleet to both be on the roster at season's end though, if for nothing else but cultural stability. Once Scottie moves past rookie status, that may change and maybe either/both get moved in the off-season.

Expect hard evaluating, and showcase minutes between Dec 15th and Jan 15th I'd think.

Let's circle back on this in December

[PhilBlackson]

Not saying that they "must" do this trade but only that I would be open to it personally...

1. It's a chance to get in early on a couple of guys who in a few years with development may be too high of an ask and of course not on the table as the Splash Bros age and those kids get better. I know how we (rightfully) toot our own horn about how well we develop but look what GSW has done with Poole (and they did get Wiggins to play d) what if they do get something close to their potential out of them?! Now I'd have a lot more faith that we could do that vs them but I don't honestly think it's that hard to think if the Raps helped Kuminga with his shooting that he might resemble a player like Jaylen Brown or if they helped Moody with his ball handling that he might resemble a player like Middleton...

I personally do think we could build them if not as good, fairly damn close or at least to some of the best rotation pieces in the league.

2. There's a personal relationship there with Barnes and Moody from playing HS ball together...

I know we're talking YEARS and YEARS down the line and I don't think Scottie is a cold dude but it would be pretty tough to walk away from a friend who would by then be a dude you basically grew up together with and obviously it would only help the lockerroom as Scottie & Moses grow and develop together - Moody's off ball shooting is a good fit as well. Kuminga will be getting pushed by OG & Scottie to be better and whether people believe it or not, Kuminga does still have tremendous potential

3. There's no delusions, this becomes all about development and we're easily in the hunt for another top 5-7 pick. I'd feel EXTREMELY confident that the Raps spot ANOTHER star to then join Scottie, OG, Kuminga, Achuiwa, Moody....sounds pretty good to me on paper but who knows how it would play out

So again not saying it's a must but I definitely at minimum strongly consider it.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Not saying that they "must" do this trade but only that I would be open to it personally...

1. It's a chance to get in early on a couple of guys who in a few years with development may be too high of an ask and of course not on the table as the Splash Bros age and those kids get better. I know how we (rightfully) toot our own horn about how well we develop but look what GSW has done with Poole (and they did get Wiggins to play d) what if they do get something close to their potential out of them?! Now I'd have a lot more faith that we could do that vs them but I don't honestly think it's that hard to think if the Raps helped Kuminga with his shooting that he might resemble a player like Jaylen Brown or if they helped Moody with his ball handling that he might resemble a player like Middleton...

I personally do think we could build them if not as good, fairly damn close or at least to some of the best rotation pieces in the league.

2. There's a personal relationship there with Barnes and Moody from playing HS ball together...

I know we're talking YEARS and YEARS down the line and I don't think Scottie is a cold dude but it would be pretty tough to walk away from a friend who would by then be a dude you basically grew up together with and obviously it would only help the lockerroom as Scottie & Moses grow and develop together. Kuminga will be getting pushed by OG & Scottie to be better and whether people believe it or not, Kuminga does still have tremendous potential

3. There's no delusions, this becomes all about development and we're easily in the hunt for another top 5-7 pick. I'd feel EXTREMELY confident that the Raps spot ANOTHER star to then join Scottie, OG, Kuminga, Achuiwa, Moody....sounds pretty good to me on paper but who knows how it would play out

So again not saying it's a must but I definitely at minimum strongly consider it.

Any trades like these won't happen until the trade deadline. in the meantime ,we can evaluate siakam and his fit with this team and also see how kuminga and moody play as well.
also trading siakam, gives us a max contract space in a couple of years if i'm not mistaken.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It’s a tough one because I’d like to see OG/Scottie/Pascal all together but if for example by January we’re under 500 and many games back of the play in you have to consider it.

Wiseman
Kuminga
Moody
Looney
1st


For

Pascal
Yuta

Siakam is not worth three lottery selections, a good role player and a future first round pick. That’s a franchise player deal.

Anyway, it’s weird that after we’ve seen how bad our halfcourt offence is without Siakam that we would want to trade him. He’s just entering his prime. Barnes is way farther ahead than we thought. It’s feasible that Barnes is the best player on this team in three years which would be sick because Siakam, Fred, OG will be in their primes.

Y’all just need to be a little patient.

siakam puts the warriors into championship contention status if thompson can come back healthy. hes def worth that deal.

[Indeed]

I'm resurrecting this thread.

Let me preface first with: I'm in no way not interested or at least not keen on seeing Pascal coming back and playing with Barnes and OG. I think there's definitely a level of intrigue we all share in wanting to watch an all defensive lineup with Siakam replacing Trent as a starter, where we then have essentially an all-defensive starting 5 to run up and down the court.

Here's where I take pause; if Siakam returns as the same player we saw in Tampa and stops being a "2-way" scorer, then we're pretty much screwed. At that point, his contract becomes an albatross and we're stuck with him.

There's an argument to be had at the moment that 'not trading with GSW' was essentially a risk in itself (assuming there was a trade to be had the made sense for both teams) because the Raptors are basically rolling the dice that Siakam brings our offence back to something that resembles league average when he's cleared to play. At the same time, we have Masai trying to take pressure off his guys with remarks about "this is a transition year" and "there will be times that we struggle" which would have made more sense if we were developing both Barnes AND a Kuminga/Booknight/Mitchell (take your pick). The reality is we have a 20+ million dollar veteran guard in Dragic who at the moment is just eating up oxygen on the roster and an injured Pascal on a max a deal who's still a question mark; meaning: anything less than a playoff birth for this team is a fail.

Instead, if we had Wiggins on the books and had bought out Dragic in order to develop another rookie guard then there would be zero expectations for this season and we could all relax and chill. Having Dragic and Siakam's contracts on the payroll = no chill right now.

Let me explain why we need Siakam.
1) Both Boston and Dallas games proved that to make Barnes successful, we need him to play SF and bully inside
2) Both Boston and Dallas games proved that Barnes can spot Boucher sprinting and making cuts, where Siakam is even better at that
3) Both Boston and Dallas games proved that our big lineup in Birch-Boucher-Barnes easily out rebound opponent

Boucher isn't a starting PF, neither the players we are getting back are PF. To me, Kuminga/Bouknight/Mitchell does NOT make sense to put Barnes in success.

[Merit]

Not saying that they "must" do this trade but only that I would be open to it personally...

1. It's a chance to get in early on a couple of guys who in a few years with development may be too high of an ask and of course not on the table as the Splash Bros age and those kids get better. I know how we (rightfully) toot our own horn about how well we develop but look what GSW has done with Poole (and they did get Wiggins to play d) what if they do get something close to their potential out of them?! Now I'd have a lot more faith that we could do that vs them but I don't honestly think it's that hard to think if the Raps helped Kuminga with his shooting that he might resemble a player like Jaylen Brown or if they helped Moody with his ball handling that he might resemble a player like Middleton...

I personally do think we could build them if not as good, fairly damn close or at least to some of the best rotation pieces in the league.

2. There's a personal relationship there with Barnes and Moody from playing HS ball together...

I know we're talking YEARS and YEARS down the line and I don't think Scottie is a cold dude but it would be pretty tough to walk away from a friend who would by then be a dude you basically grew up together with and obviously it would only help the lockerroom as Scottie & Moses grow and develop together - Moody's off ball shooting is a good fit as well. Kuminga will be getting pushed by OG & Scottie to be better and whether people believe it or not, Kuminga does still have tremendous potential

3. There's no delusions, this becomes all about development and we're easily in the hunt for another top 5-7 pick. I'd feel EXTREMELY confident that the Raps spot ANOTHER star to then join Scottie, OG, Kuminga, Achuiwa, Moody....sounds pretty good to me on paper but who knows how it would play out

So again not saying it's a must but I definitely at minimum strongly consider it.

I definitely hear this but to me the ideal time would’ve been at the draft because we would’ve been in a position to trade up or trade assets for players other than the ones in the initial trade. I definitely like Kuminga and Moody and wiseman and I also think that Wiggins is exactly what this team needs offensively. However, the potential and the optics of the first round pick are what matter more in terms of asset value instead of the players themselves.

Also, with pascal on the warriors, we’re basically handing them the chip so they would definitely need to entice us further.

To me, while a nice sentiment, your post still reads as tanking.

[HumbleRen]

Not saying that they "must" do this trade but only that I would be open to it personally...

1. It's a chance to get in early on a couple of guys who in a few years with development may be too high of an ask and of course not on the table as the Splash Bros age and those kids get better. I know how we (rightfully) toot our own horn about how well we develop but look what GSW has done with Poole (and they did get Wiggins to play d) what if they do get something close to their potential out of them?! Now I'd have a lot more faith that we could do that vs them but I don't honestly think it's that hard to think if the Raps helped Kuminga with his shooting that he might resemble a player like Jaylen Brown or if they helped Moody with his ball handling that he might resemble a player like Middleton...

I personally do think we could build them if not as good, fairly damn close or at least to some of the best rotation pieces in the league.

2. There's a personal relationship there with Barnes and Moody from playing HS ball together...

I know we're talking YEARS and YEARS down the line and I don't think Scottie is a cold dude but it would be pretty tough to walk away from a friend who would by then be a dude you basically grew up together with and obviously it would only help the lockerroom as Scottie & Moses grow and develop together - Moody's off ball shooting is a good fit as well. Kuminga will be getting pushed by OG & Scottie to be better and whether people believe it or not, Kuminga does still have tremendous potential

3. There's no delusions, this becomes all about development and we're easily in the hunt for another top 5-7 pick. I'd feel EXTREMELY confident that the Raps spot ANOTHER star to then join Scottie, OG, Kuminga, Achuiwa, Moody....sounds pretty good to me on paper but who knows how it would play out

So again not saying it's a must but I definitely at minimum strongly consider it.

I think it's a no brainer tbh. What's our ceiling with Siakam being our best player realistically.

[canada_dry]

We'd be 2-1. Probably 3-0 with siakam.

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[tms]

I hope they trade Siakam asap. I'll hold the Boston series against him forever lol

[Rapsfan07]

Like many others in this thread, I think it's a very well thought out potential move and actually make sense for both teams...but it will need to wait until Decemeber.

GSW will no doubt want to see Siakam back in action and return to form before they give up the farm for him. Not to mention the amount of logjam issues it'll cause in our rotation having to make room for Moody, Wiggins and maybe even Kuminga.

If a deal like this was being considered, I'd expect subsequent moves as well. For starters, there'd be no need to hang onto Vanvleet and I'd probably see what I can get for Trent as well.

But I'm a big fan of the idea in theory and if there's even the slightest possibility that this deal is on the table, I'd take it. Because at the end of the day, you're not going to win anything with Siakam as your best player and acquiring a star to pair with him would mean gutting the team anyway ...and you're probably still not getting anywhere with just two stars. So if you're gonna have to trade away some guys, might as well get the best young talent you can and build for the future.

[Kingsway_fan]

I hope they trade Siakam asap. I'll hold the Boston series against him forever lol

Gasol was the real bust in that series and nurse's stubbornness not to go with the hot Ibaka.

[mdenny]

I hope they trade Siakam asap. I'll hold the Boston series against him forever lol

Gasol was the real bust in that series and nurse's stubbornness not to go with the hot Ibaka.

Respectfully disagree. The only way our team took that celtic team to 7 games was by going small. And nirse waited to unleash that strategy. It's why we won game 6 and why we almost squeaked out game 7 against a much more talented team.

Nurse worked up miracles to get us that close to winning. We were getting getting killed by playing both ibaka and gasol on endless pnr's.

What was so impressive....was that nurse didnt play the winning hand until absolutely necessary. If he had played that hand earlier....the celtics would've had more time to figure it out. He knew he had to keep it up his sleeve until the 4th quarters.

We had no business taking that series to the final minute of game 7. Nurse outcoached Brad fullstop. We were a couple jumpshots away from stealing that series.

[DelAbbot]

Is there a thing as too many raw prospects on the same team?

Add Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman to Barnes, Achiuwa, Banton and Flynn

another lottery pick 2022 and 2nder

and another prospect or two for FVV.