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Jamaaliver wrote:For the 2nd straight month, Trae avg 23 ppg and 9 apg. That 27 game sample is a full third of the NBA season. Hawks are just a smidge under .500 during that span also.
Is this the level of production we should expect from him moving forward?
shakes0 wrote:Man, I think you guys are missing the boat on Young. To me he looks like the closest thing we've seen to Steph Curry since Steph Curry. If he slips out of the lottery its going to be a mistake.
King Ken wrote:Rafly wrote:I dont think he is a good but not great athlete. Can stroke it from deep but ive seen him miss some shots at the rim that a better athlete likely makes.
Any team who drafts him in the 1st will regret it. Not ready for the NBA. Most of these guys are at PG as FR but he clearly isn't. As skilled as he is, he needs to be even more skilled before entering the draft with his tool-box.
GimmeDat wrote:prime1time wrote:GimmeDat wrote:For as rangy and high level his shot is, I actually don't think it's very versatile. He clearly likes the rhythm of dribbling in to his three ball, and he can obviously spot up also, but the way he shoots it I don't think is very conducive to high level off ball shooting.
If you compare his technique to Jamal Murray, for instance, Murray can run off screens or whatever other situation, catch the ball in a variety of situations, and effectively square up and shoot with speed and separation.
Young hasn't been put in that situation much but I don't see it being part of his game based on his form and tendencies. If there's one thing he can be effective at off the ball, it's obviously shooting, but I'm not sure he's off-ball shooting would be as prolific as his on-ball shooting is.
This is silly. I come on this website and I have to read post after post telling me how - insert athletic bad shooter here - is going to be amazing once he improves his jumper. Now that we have a guy with a good jumper, I have to read how he can't improve. Assuming that what you point out are real flaws, the fixes are easy. Therefore, why should we harp on something that can easily be remedied? Give me one player that could consistently shoot well off the dribble but couldn't make catch and shoots? The toughest aspect of shooting is to develop a consistent concise shooting motion. Once you have that, the other stuff is easy.
I didn't say he couldn't catch and shoot. He's undersized, he has a low release, and he 'sets up' his shot a bit, shows ability to get his shot off in a variety of off ball situations is low, imo.
prime1time wrote:https://youtu.be/l7R6qCedbEQ
I think the best comparison now is Tony Parker.
Young should be a top 5 pick. If not 1st overall. He's going to give you everything that Parker gives you plus better vision/passing and deeper range. Trae Young's range on his 3 will destroy defenses just like Steph does. How do you guard Trae Young on the pick and roll? No team in college is equipped to do it, and you can see the end result. He is just destroying defenses. The same thing will happen in the NBA. If the team that drafts Trae Young can find a point forward, think Draymond Green/Boris Diaw teams will find it very hard to guard them. Steph might be a slightly better shooter but it doesn't matter. Young can make 3's way beyond the 3-point line consistently so you'll have to guard him. He just turned 19. How good was Tony Parker at his age? Precisely. It is scary to think about how good he'll be in 5 or 6 years, and even scarier to think about trying to stop a team that has Trae Young and multiple other scorers. People who talk about his slow shot are delusional. His release is very similar to Steph's. Just a flick of the rest.
Here's a thought experiment, lets take those great Spurs teams and replace a prime Tony Parker with a prime Trae Young. Think about how scary that team is. How do you guard those Spurs teams when the big defender has to switch/trap the pick and roll 30 ft from the hoop. Trae has already showed that he has the quickness to consistently beat big Men, and make the right pass when the help comes. To be fair to Trae, however, the comparison to Parker is a weak one. Trae is a vastly superior player to Parker at a comparable age.
prime1time wrote:GimmeDat wrote:prime1time wrote:This is silly. I come on this website and I have to read post after post telling me how - insert athletic bad shooter here - is going to be amazing once he improves his jumper. Now that we have a guy with a good jumper, I have to read how he can't improve. Assuming that what you point out are real flaws, the fixes are easy. Therefore, why should we harp on something that can easily be remedied? Give me one player that could consistently shoot well off the dribble but couldn't make catch and shoots? The toughest aspect of shooting is to develop a consistent concise shooting motion. Once you have that, the other stuff is easy.
I didn't say he couldn't catch and shoot. He's undersized, he has a low release, and he 'sets up' his shot a bit, shows ability to get his shot off in a variety of off ball situations is low, imo.
That low release of his is really hurting his game...
clyde21 wrote:paulbball wrote:clyde21 wrote:people need to chill on Young, he's posting some crazy offensive numbers right now but it's not impacting winning at all...granted he's a rookie obviously but let's chill on 'defense doesn't matter' stuff.
despite his box score metrics, he has a -1.5 BPM, a sub-par .058 WS/48, has a -10 Net Rating and a -2.6 On/Off. he's actually 8th on his own team in On/Off out of anyone that's played meaningful minutes.
and really, box score numbers this season have been completely out of whack. rule changes obviously, but teams haven't really adjusted to them yet and it feels like half the league is either tanking or just packing it in for the POs at this point. these numbers don't really mean as much people think they do.
Smells a bit like Booker tbh. Very good young player but not loved by advanced stats.
i mean I don't want to take anything away fro him, he's been really good for a rook and certainly much better than I thought he would be, but people that are saying he's having better rookie seasons than Steph or CP3 and using raw stats from today's league to prove it are doing it wrong.
King Ken wrote:Ruzious wrote:Fischella wrote:He is insanely good off-ball whenever he is at it, not often, I mean he does go hard and fast to find open spots and his off-ball 3s % is sky-high, I think he can be used in that sense, and also in DHO which is something that OU doesn't do that often, he could kill.
I would say his athletic profile/size is inferior to Lillard, Irving and Curry, and I doubt he gets to be as good of a finisher, but if he hones the pull-up, he can be there otherwise (likely bad on D similar to Lillard, less switchable, has great hands for steals, Steph-level, but that's about it on that end).
All together I think his upside is someone as good in terms of positive impact as Kemba, who also couldn't finish when he got to the league and improved there (although he is more athletic than Trae, but Trae is much further along as a shooter).
I think top10 for sure, maybe top7 if he shows improvements as a finisher.
I was going to ask you how you think he compares to Kemba, because after getting to see more of him, his plusses and minuses seem to be very similar. But Kemba has that rare compete gene in him - with that insane will to compete. I'm not going to assume any college player has that until I see it game in and game out.
Kemba knew the game much better and had the nuisance of being a college PG down. His transition to the NBA was more physical (skill-set and tool-box) than mental(nuisance for the position, feel for the game, BBIQ).
Young will have to adjust for all of it. I don't see him being more than a 2nd stringer as his ceiling if he leaves as a Freshman. He needs to stay another year. Make sure his mental is great because he has the skill-set so even if his tool-box isn't good, it's okay because he has the rest.
Spud2nique wrote:King Ken wrote:Ruzious wrote:I was going to ask you how you think he compares to Kemba, because after getting to see more of him, his plusses and minuses seem to be very similar. But Kemba has that rare compete gene in him - with that insane will to compete. I'm not going to assume any college player has that until I see it game in and game out.
Kemba knew the game much better and had the nuisance of being a college PG down. His transition to the NBA was more physical (skill-set and tool-box) than mental(nuisance for the position, feel for the game, BBIQ).
Young will have to adjust for all of it. I don't see him being more than a 2nd stringer as his ceiling if he leaves as a Freshman. He needs to stay another year. Make sure his mental is great because he has the skill-set so even if his tool-box isn't good, it's okay because he has the rest.
What the… Ken..