PG Thread: Oh no, we suck again!

HarthorneWingo · Post #261 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:28 pm

HerSports85 wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:We have to get a PG who can also defend. I'm mean, Cole Anthony? Really?

We already have 2 backcourt defenders. They are just stuck on the bench.

So are we gonna free McBride?

HarthorneWingo · Post #262 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:29 pm

Man, this game really sucked. I deleted from my DVR as soon as it was over.

HarthorneWingo · Post #263 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:31 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:Reggie Bullock with another stellar performance 0-3 with 1 point in 18 minutes. Looks like our whole team was full of bullocks tonight lol

Kidd doesn’t know how to use Bullock like we did.

Wharton Alum 08 · Post #264 » by **Wharton Alum 08** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:39 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
HighRyzer83 wrote:Reggie Bullock with another stellar performance 0-3 with 1 point in 18 minutes. Looks like our whole team was full of bullocks tonight lol

Kidd doesn’t know how to use Bullock like we did.

Re-signing Bullock over Burks makes so much since with this roster construction. Burks is so redundant with so many players on the roster already.

Nbabrothers · Post #265 » by **Nbabrothers** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:44 pm

Wharton Alum 08 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
HighRyzer83 wrote:Reggie Bullock with another stellar performance 0-3 with 1 point in 18 minutes. Looks like our whole team was full of bullocks tonight lol

Kidd doesn’t know how to use Bullock like we did.

Re-signing Bullock over Burks makes so much since with this roster construction. Burks is so redundant with so many players on the roster already.

Forget Bullock. We should have brought in Evan!

What Knicks players should we consider trading if Damian Lilliard becomes available? I like this group as a whole from Randle, Mitch, Rose, Kemba, etc. But becoming a bit disappointed in RJ Barrett. I know he’s only 21 but he’s inconsistent. Plays terrible one half then plays great the other half or doesn’t play well at all the whole game.

Post #266 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:47 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Also, regarding locked in - I have to assume the Knicks were targeting a certain year of FA where the contracts will be enticing (in theory) to a team that was told by their star that he isn't interested in returning. Or, a guy under contract but the contract is shorter and trade more likely.

I have no idea who they have in mind but it feels like KAT in two years, because he's good, but does he really fit with Randle? So, perfect Knicksian move.

So yeah, not wild about the idea of two consecutive years of Burks/Noel - Rose has been good, Randle is a piece, I guess.

I guess the though process is that guys like Noel and Burks will be here for a year anyway, the 2nd year is sending a positive signal around the league (maybe), they are punting on next year's FA (obviously), prepping for 1.5 years away deadline deal of some kind, based on the undercover intel of spymaster WWW and, that Burks/Noel are movable for slightly better players by attaching several of those Aller 2nd rounders...?

I think they also did these contracts for the trade flexibility where they can be fillers in a bigger deal if needed...else then they expire soon anyway

Wharton Alum 08 · Post #267 » by **Wharton Alum 08** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:52 pm

Nbabrothers wrote:
Wharton Alum 08 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Kidd doesn’t know how to use Bullock like we did.

Re-signing Bullock over Burks makes so much since with this roster construction. Burks is so redundant with so many players on the roster already.

Forget Bullock. We should have brought in Evan!

What Knicks players should we consider trading if Damian Lilliard becomes available? I like this group as a whole from Randle, Mitch, Rose, Kemba, etc. But becoming a bit disappointed in RJ Barrett. I know he’s only 21 but he’s inconsistent. Plays terrible one half then plays great the other half or doesn’t play well at all the whole game.

Evan wasn’t good yesterday either and he’s not slowing down any wings. It’s why it made sense to have Bullock coming off the bench to be a 3&D instead of bunch of one way creators.

Nbabrothers · Post #268 » by **Nbabrothers** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I consider this game a favor.

I was guilty of being overenthusiastic in the preseason and after 2 wins.
Sure, this might be overly negative, but I don't think so.

After being a consumer of this sports thing for a while, I've gotten decent at figuring out early when it's not a good thing to get too invested in a team.

Take the Jets, for example. I knew they would be pretty bad. Tons of growing pains. Rookie QB who needed more than a little refinement. But I figured, new coach, new offensive coordinator, new QB, some offensive players drafted for once, it could be "ok" in a certain developmental kind of way.

It took 1/2 of football to see the coach, offensive coordinator and QB were in completely over their head, that the team would suck, not just in that "rebuilding" sort of way, but truly suck. And I was a Joe Douglas supporter up to that minute. Then I realized, in spite of the years of suck that he inherited, he too, sucked. So I quickly divested myself of interest in the season, and like I expected, I was completely correct to do so.
They aren't even an NFL team.

Knicks, it's a little different. I thought they'd be anywhere from as high as 4th (unlikely) to 7th, depending on how some games go, luck, injuries etc. Felt like they were building something. And they might be. But this season isn't really going to be that good.
It's a mediocre playoff team again. It's just a different flavor than the almost all defense, no offense version from last year.
This year it's some defense, some offense, to achieve a similar level of high level mediocrity.

I mean, being mediocre is nice. Two consecutive years of being mediocre is nice. Beats 10+ years of truly SUCKING, interrupted by like 1.5 seasons of "ok".

But a legitimate good team would have taken the chance to notch another win. Had the talent to answer a scrub team's "anger".

This team just isn't that good. It's ok.
Leon Rose better be a master wheeler dealer, because I don't see much in the way of compelling youth the Knicks have to put in a trade.
RJ is a role player. In fact, he's a borderline starter on a truly good team. Obi, everyone is jizzing themselves because he went from abjectly awful to barely decent. IQ is ok.
I mean, it's fine. Knicks didn't totally blow the picks. Part of it is what draft they were in etc. A team has to start somewhere, and at least the Knicks have some cost controlled young guys.
But the team isn't all that. Basically, minus Thibs, it's not even better than what the Nets had before signing the Weird Brothers.
And I'm not Net Nuthugger.

Knicks need a trade in the worst way. Hopefully they'll be patient and execute it at the right time.
40 win team.

They do need a trade and I would consider RJ, and picks and maybe even Quickley.
It breaks my heart to even consider trading away two of my favorite Knicks but if we can get Damian for that I think we pull the trigger.

Nbabrothers · Post #269 » by **Nbabrothers** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:58 pm

Wharton Alum 08 wrote:
Nbabrothers wrote:
Wharton Alum 08 wrote:
Re-signing Bullock over Burks makes so much since with this roster construction. Burks is so redundant with so many players on the roster already.

Forget Bullock. We should have brought in Evan!

What Knicks players should we consider trading if Damian Lilliard becomes available? I like this group as a whole from Randle, Mitch, Rose, Kemba, etc. But becoming a bit disappointed in RJ Barrett. I know he’s only 21 but he’s inconsistent. Plays terrible one half then plays great the other half or doesn’t play well at all the whole game.

Evan wasn’t good yesterday either and he’s not slowing down any wings. It’s why it made sense to have Bullock coming off the bench to be a 3&D instead of bunch of one way creators.

It’s one game. Bullock is gone so forget about him. We are a better team than last year.

Fat Kat · Post #270 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:06 pm

Eh. We'll have a handful of games like this throughout the season. I'm not taking anything from this unless it becomes habit

DaGawd · Post #271 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:06 pm

I feel like trading for D’aaron Fox is Rose and companies primary target

will34 · Post #272 » by **will34** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:11 pm

I was a big RJ defender but if including him gets you a superstar you do it.

Nbabrothers · Post #273 » by **Nbabrothers** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:13 pm

will34 wrote:I was a big RJ defender but if including him gets you a superstar you do it.

That’s why I would consider RJ and Quickley with picks for Lilliard.

Clyde_Style · Post #274 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:13 pm

I would appreciate a synopsis of what Rose and Mitch did well since the consensus is they were the only guys locked in yesterday

Clyde_Style · Post #275 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:18 pm

As far as the future is concerned, my stance is I’m not a GM, but I trust our current FO to engineer whatever trade they deem necessary

All along the point has been asset accumulation. This is not the final product. And all of the contracts are tradeable, even Randle’s. They are not boxed in for four years so let’s not portray this as the final product and the only bed the FO will have to lay in. There will be more personnel changes, perhaps even in the next trading window.

As such, the franchise is in a good position going forward. We’re better than the last game and we’ll get better in the future too.

Sincerely,
Glass Half-Full Guy

Nbabrothers · Post #276 » by **Nbabrothers** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:22 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:I would appreciate a synopsis of what Rose and Mitch did well since the consensus is they were the only guys locked in yesterday

Mitch had a double double plus 2 steals and 3 blocks
While Rose had 23 points and two steals. They did there part. I think we lost because we kept Fournier on the bench in the fourth.

Reign23 · Post #277 » by **Reign23** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:28 pm

lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

Reign23 · Post #278 » by **Reign23** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:32 pm

Monk1718 wrote:McBride will give us better minutes than Kemba right now

yep I am sure thibs will replace the struggling vet with the rookie soon. lol

Clyde_Style · Post #279 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:32 pm

Reign23 wrote:lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

RJ had a rocky first 10 games or so last season and then voila! He started ramping up into becoming a high percentage 3 point shooter. If you had asked anyone in that pre-season if RJ would become a sharpshooter you would have heard crickets. Best policy is to evaluate him after a quarter season. RJ + Hot Takes usually = Egg on the Face

DaGawd · Post #280 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:33 pm

Reign23 wrote:lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

Even game 1 he wasn’t really doing **** until late in the 3rd.. if you wanna credit him for keeping Tatum in check cool but Tatum was also just missing a lot of clean looks he usually hits. RJ simply has to show more as a former number 3 overall pick