PG Thread: Oh no, we suck again!

[Reign23]

lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

RJ had a rocky first 10 games or so last season and then voila! He started ramping up into becoming a high percentage 3 point shooter. If you had asked anyone in that pre-season if RJ would become a sharpshooter you would have heard crickets. Best policy is to evaluate him after a quarter season. RJ + Hot Takes usually = Egg on the Face

he will be fine. he is already a very good defender and spot up shooter even tho he played a few **** games.
I think he did actually ok getting into his own shots at the beginning yesterday with floaters and midrange shots, but he just couln't throw it in the ocean.

[DaGawd]

I would appreciate a synopsis of what Rose and Mitch did well since the consensus is they were the only guys locked in yesterday

Rose was his usual efficient spark plug of the bench and Mitch was a force defensively. He changed the magic whole game plan when he was in

[Reign23]

This is a horrible place

sometimes I think its karma and we never deserve a good team when I am reading through some pages.
but this PG thread is really the worst in a long time.

[Clyde_Style]

lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

RJ had a rocky first 10 games or so last season and then voila! He started ramping up into becoming a high percentage 3 point shooter. If you had asked anyone in that pre-season if RJ would become a sharpshooter you would have heard crickets. Best policy is to evaluate him after a quarter season. RJ + Hot Takes usually = Egg on the Face

he will be fine. he is already a very good defender and spot up shooter even tho he played a few **** games.
I think he did actually ok getting into his own shots at the beginning yesterday with floaters and midrange shots, but he just couln't throw it in the ocean.

Even though RJ’s numbers were nothing special in game 2, I have already noted that he was very good in the first quarter of the Magic blow-out and was all over the court doing everything on both ends. He tailed off that game, but he started strong in that one as well

[Reign23]

randle with an off game still put up 30 points 16 rebounds 3 assists 4 blocks 2 steals

don't even try man. he was beyond awful. heads down and run into 3 defenders like he did 2 years ago every single posession.

[Deeeez Knicks]

lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

RJ had a rocky first 10 games or so last season and then voila! He started ramping up into becoming a high percentage 3 point shooter. If you had asked anyone in that pre-season if RJ would become a sharpshooter you would have heard crickets. Best policy is to evaluate him after a quarter season. RJ + Hot Takes usually = Egg on the Face

he will be fine. he is already a very good defender and spot up shooter even tho he played a few **** games.
I think he did actually ok getting into his own shots at the beginning yesterday with floaters and midrange shots, but he just couln't throw it in the ocean.

Yea, he was actually able to create some good looks for himself and others, they just didnt go down for himself. There will be better games.

[WargamesX]

It was a bad game, everyone was heat checking instead of driving, also the defense wasn’t stellar.

The only thing that might have been interesting was to see if Grimes could slow down Ross better than RJ. It’s too early to say RJ would have problems guarding Ross, but it’s still early enough to see if switching defenders can help make a player go cold.

The whole game had a vibe that the Knicks were feeling themselves and couldn’t match Orlando’s intensity. This was one of those trap games you dread because the next couple of games will be tougher.

[Clyde_Style]

I would appreciate a synopsis of what Rose and Mitch did well since the consensus is they were the only guys locked in yesterday

Rose was his usual efficient spark plug of the bench and Mitch was a force defensively. He changed the magic whole game plan when he was in

That Mitch is playing well while getting into shape is a big positive. And if he’s not a high flier like before he may now be a giant road block in the paint that will fk other teams up. Let’s be real about Mitch: He came into the game with a love for playing defense so I’m going to appreciate that because there’s not that many bigs in the league with that kind of hunger to shut you down. If he stays healthy it will be a big deal for this club

[Chanel Bomber]

Kemba is the most glaring issue. It can be fixed without a roster overhaul. It needs to be.

The deeper, more meaningful problem is the Randle-RJ tandem.

Randle is not efficient enough to be a star player for this team, let alone the face of the franchise. RJ is not efficient enough for a role player.

So the Knicks actually have to rely on other players to score efficiently: average to bad starters (Fournier, Kemba) and the bench.

That's why the stats unequivocally show that the bench has been carrying this team since last year. The starting line-up is just average, it doesn't make much difference against its competition on average. Our bench led by Rose is what really wins us these games most of the time.

The Knicks will not contend in the East with Randle-RJ in the starting 5. They're too inefficient together. Leon Rose has to make a big trade, or this team will be just another treadmill Eastern Conference team. This is what we are at the moment.

The Knicks bench is normally good, but to be fair we had a 6 point lead going into the 4th and the Magic were up by 6 when the starters came back. The bench played really bad in that stretch.

The starters outside of Mitch didnt play great either so not putting it all on the bench. This one seemed like a team effort in the loss

You're right about yesterday. I was saying big picture.

[Reign23]

lol @ you guys **** on RJ. after preseason and game 1 he was the next star and now after two bad games he is a bust? smh hope he turns it around on tuesday.

Even game 1 he wasn’t really doing **** until late in the 3rd.. if you wanna credit him for keeping Tatum in check cool but Tatum was also just missing a lot of clean looks he usually hits. RJ simply has to show more as a former number 3 overall pick

so basically RJ wasn't good on offense in the first game because he got going late and he wasn' good on d because tatum also missed open shots.
alright.

[Reign23]

RJ had a rocky first 10 games or so last season and then voila! He started ramping up into becoming a high percentage 3 point shooter. If you had asked anyone in that pre-season if RJ would become a sharpshooter you would have heard crickets. Best policy is to evaluate him after a quarter season. RJ + Hot Takes usually = Egg on the Face

he will be fine. he is already a very good defender and spot up shooter even tho he played a few **** games.
I think he did actually ok getting into his own shots at the beginning yesterday with floaters and midrange shots, but he just couln't throw it in the ocean.

Yea, he was actually able to create some good looks for himself and others, they just didnt go down for himself. There will be better games.

finally a few posters that aren't out of their minds. thanks

[TKKnicks1]

Man IQ looks like Knox out there when he's not hitting his shots. I would love for Thibs to start experimenting some of his minutes to Grimes and see what he can do.

[Reign23]

Man IQ looks like Knox out there when he's not hitting his shots. I would love for Thibs to start experimenting some of his minutes to Grimes and see what he can do.

IQ often looks like our worst player. not kidding here

[WargamesX]

Man IQ looks like Knox out there when he's not hitting his shots. I would love for Thibs to start experimenting some of his minutes to Grimes and see what he can do.

IQ often looks like our worst player. not kidding here

He’s naturally a microwave combo guard. When he is on he’s scary, when he is off, he is scarier.

Comparing him to Knox is a exaggeration, he will have good games and bad games and hopefully will develop into a standard PG, or at least a more reliable microwave shooter.

[Chanel Bomber]

It's fair to say RJ needs to be better than "fine" in a limited role.

We need him to be good, especially since he's a role player on this team atm. Those aren't unfair expectations.

It's also fair to say that the starting five lacks balance and that Kemba Walker as the point of attack has affected his role and his game. But he needs to be better regardless.

[robillionaire]

RJ will be fine if he just accepts who he is and plays like he did last year and exclusively shoots wide open shots from his hot spots in the corners which is the only shot he’s proven to be able to make efficiently. He’s trying to shoot from other spots on the floor now and it doesn’t look like he can do it. That’s why he’s shooting 38% FG% and 21% from 3. This is how he played as a rookie and at the beginning of last year too until he restricted himself to almost exclusively shooting wide open assisted catch and shoot attempts from his hot sports

[Deeeez Knicks]

Kemba is the most glaring issue. It can be fixed without a roster overhaul. It needs to be.

The deeper, more meaningful problem is the Randle-RJ tandem.

Randle is not efficient enough to be a star player for this team, let alone the face of the franchise. RJ is not efficient enough for a role player.

So the Knicks actually have to rely on other players to score efficiently: average to bad starters (Fournier, Kemba) and the bench.

That's why the stats unequivocally show that the bench has been carrying this team since last year. The starting line-up is just average, it doesn't make much difference against its competition on average. Our bench led by Rose is what really wins us these games most of the time.

The Knicks will not contend in the East with Randle-RJ in the starting 5. They're too inefficient together. Leon Rose has to make a big trade, or this team will be just another treadmill Eastern Conference team. This is what we are at the moment.

The Knicks bench is normally good, but to be fair we had a 6 point lead going into the 4th and the Magic were up by 6 when the starters came back. The bench played really bad in that stretch.

The starters outside of Mitch didnt play great either so not putting it all on the bench. This one seemed like a team effort in the loss

You're right about yesterday. I was saying big picture.

Yea, Kemba is a concern right now along with the general fit. A lot of guys need the ball and our defense may take a step back. Kemba did hit some shots and make some plays (some pnrs, Mitch oop), but overall it has looked off. We probably do need to give it some time for everything to gel together. Seems like players are feeling it all out...figuring out when to step up or when to take a back seat.

RJ can still be a key ingredient with the starters. He is a player that does a little bit of everything and that is probably the type of player we need in this starting lineup.

If we are looking at maximizing this roster I think we will need Kemba to find his place. He is not the same player, but also not totally done. If he could give us 20-24 good min a game it would make a big difference so I think we gotta let it ride for now and hope he figures it out.

Agree we are still not a contender unless we pull off a big move. Seems like we are biding our time and waiting for the right move which is fine.

[Clyde_Style]

RJ will be fine if he just accepts who he is and plays like he did last year and exclusively shoots wide open shots from his hot spots in the corners which is the only shot he’s proven to be able to make efficiently. He’s trying to shoot from other spots on the floor now and it doesn’t look like he can do it. That’s why he’s shooting 38% FG% and 21% from 3. This is how he played as a rookie and at the beginning of last year too until he restricted himself to almost exclusively shooting wide open assisted catch and shoot attempts from his hot sports

I couldn’t disagree more.

RJ is experimenting with shooting off the dribble and pulling up in the lane for mid-range jumpers. That’s what he drilled on this Summer and when he starts hitting them you’ll be singing a different tune.

I think my take on him is correct. He’s not a naturally spontaneous player, but when he figures something out he can replicate that skill effectively.

So now you want to relegate him to the thing he mastered instead of allowing for him to master another skill he’s already drilled on and is working out the kinks of in true game situations.

Show some vision Rob

[TheGreenArrow]

Kemba is the most glaring issue. It can be fixed without a roster overhaul. It needs to be.

The deeper, more meaningful problem is the Randle-RJ tandem.

Randle is not efficient enough to be a star player for this team, let alone the face of the franchise. RJ is not efficient enough for a role player.

So the Knicks actually have to rely on other players to score efficiently: average to bad starters (Fournier, Kemba) and the bench.

That's why the stats unequivocally show that the bench has been carrying this team since last year. The starting line-up is just average, it doesn't make much difference against its competition on average. Our bench led by Rose is what really wins us these games most of the time.

The Knicks will not contend in the East with Randle-RJ in the starting 5. They're too inefficient together. Leon Rose has to make a big trade, or this team will be just another treadmill Eastern Conference team. This is what we are at the moment.

We’re doing the same thing we did to Timmy with Randle!!!!

He’s being miss casted as a #1 when’s he’s really a great #3/good #2!!!!!!!!!

[KnicksFTW]

RJ missed 24 straight 3s before he got going and became close to a 40% shooter last year right?

These guys need some practice time and more reps together.

Lots of guys that can score and can contribute, it might be a too many chefs in the kitchen problem.

Players have to be willing to sacrifice right now for the greater good.