Toronto Star: Edward Rogers fought plans to keep Raptors’ Masai Ujiri

[Ramako]

So the videographer was recording everything for what reason? Both sides of the story make little sense. And he thought the guy with the camera was a bodyguard? For hours or more than one day considering its in Muskoka? Doesn't add up.

Where did the article say that videographer was recording anything? It said he was "tagging along as they were heading back to the airport after."

MU: Hey, why don't you waste the entire day to tag along?
Me: What for?
MU: ????
Me: Better idea, why don't we meet up at the airport?
MU: I'm paying your salary.
Me: Ok, sure.

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? The guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking positions that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as being savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

[ciueli]

OK, simple enough. Close all Rogers accounts.

Screw them.

Unfortunately, Rogers is the only decent internet option for my neighborhood. Bell doesn't have fast enough service, and independent ISPs are not price competitive.

I'm surprised you can't get TekSavvy. In my area I can get either resold Bell or Rogers service through them. Cable prices are a little cheaper/better than what Rogers offers, depending on tier:

Rogers Unlimited 50 = $90/month
Teksavvy Cable 75 = $72/month ($52/month for the first 6 months)

Rogers Unlimited 150 = $105/month
Rogers Unlimited 500 = $115/month
Teksavvy Cable 500 = $108/month ($89/month for the first 6 months)

Rogers Gigabit = $125/month
Teksavvy Cable 1024 = $118/month ($98/month for the first 6 months)

[ItsDanger]

So using misinformation was your solution, sounds legitimate.

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

you assumed based on absolutely nothing that the videographer recorded the whole meeting.

you've misled yourself, are being called out for it, and true to your vintage form, you're now "innocently" speculating on the "3rd hand info" provided.

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

[fbalmeida]

So according to a guy who inherited his fortune and hasn't had to work, in the proper sense of the term, a single day of his life, the man who started his career giving it his all while living precariously, and rising to the mountaintop on his own merits, "isn't worth the money they're paying him".

What a God damn clueless clown.

[MixxSRC]

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

you assumed based on absolutely nothing that the videographer recorded the whole meeting.

you've misled yourself, are being called out for it, and true to your vintage form, you're now "innocently" speculating on the "3rd hand info" provided.

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

There are two sides of the story?

[ItsDanger]

Where did the article say that videographer was recording anything? It said he was "tagging along as they were heading back to the airport after."

MU: Hey, why don't you waste the entire day to tag along?
Me: What for?
MU: ????
Me: Better idea, why don't we meet up at the airport?
MU: I'm paying your salary.
Me: Ok, sure.

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? They guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking position that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

you assumed based on absolutely nothing that the videographer recorded the whole meeting.

you've misled yourself, are being called out for it, and true to your vintage form, you're now "innocently" speculating on the "3rd hand info" provided.

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

That is clearly not what youre doing, you introduced the supposition that the videographer (who was cited in the article as a bodyguard by Rogers) was filming.

Dunning/Kruger in full effect here.

[MixxSRC]

MU: Hey, why don't you waste the entire day to tag along?
Me: What for?
MU: ????
Me: Better idea, why don't we meet up at the airport?
MU: I'm paying your salary.
Me: Ok, sure.

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? They guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking position that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

Looking at people's reaction didn't need much of opinion swaying. If it's a hit piece and it's probably is. Why care that they want to get rid of him?

[tdot_steel]

you assumed based on absolutely nothing that the videographer recorded the whole meeting.

you've misled yourself, are being called out for it, and true to your vintage form, you're now "innocently" speculating on the "3rd hand info" provided.

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

There are two sides of the story?

Correction there are 3 sides to a story. The opposing views and the truth which lies somewhere in between.

[ForeverTFC]

MU: Hey, why don't you waste the entire day to tag along?
Me: What for?
MU: ????
Me: Better idea, why don't we meet up at the airport?
MU: I'm paying your salary.
Me: Ok, sure.

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? They guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking position that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

Man, get off your high horse. We all know this is a Rogers power struggle, you don't need to be a "genius" to see that.

We're adults. We can make up our own minds whether we want to support a side or stay out of it. If you want to stay out of, stay out of it and stop preaching.

[ItsDanger]

you assumed based on absolutely nothing that the videographer recorded the whole meeting.

you've misled yourself, are being called out for it, and true to your vintage form, you're now "innocently" speculating on the "3rd hand info" provided.

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

That is clearly not what youre doing, you introduced the supposition that the videographer (who was cited in the article as a bodyguard by Rogers) was filming.

Dunning/Kruger in full effect here.

I raised it as a question. Not a fact. Supposition means belief. I don't have a belief either way. I'd check your insults before attacking me when you have zero evidence.

[Ramako]

MU: Hey, why don't you waste the entire day to tag along?
Me: What for?
MU: ????
Me: Better idea, why don't we meet up at the airport?
MU: I'm paying your salary.
Me: Ok, sure.

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? They guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking position that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you genuinely think that's a profound revelation to literally anybody anywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

That is clearly not what youre doing, you introduced the supposition that the videographer (who was cited in the article as a bodyguard by Rogers) was filming.

Dunning/Kruger in full effect here.

I raised it as a question. Not a fact. Supposition means belief. I don't have a belief either way. I'd check your insults before attacking me when you have zero evidence.

Lol. Now hes the victim.

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

I dont need to check anything, except your posts, which is also sad.

[ItsDanger]

Your interpretation is nonsense. First off, if the guy was filming the interaction, why would Ed believe he's a bodyguard? Is that something bodyguards normally do?

Secondly, there's zero scenario where, during a business meeting, someone whips out a video camera, and the other participants of the meeting don't stop everything to ask about it.

So there is no chance that this guy was filming anything. He was clearly just tagging along, as the article says, not doing anything in particular and Ed just assumed he was a bodyguard.

Why are you trying so hard to cape for Ed Rogers? They guy is a well known buffoon.

I get the sense that you think taking position that are counter to popular opinion make you come off as savvy and shrewd. Trust me, it doesn't.

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody everywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

[LastNameEver]

An assumed Torontonian basketball fan being on a basketball board and taking up for Rogers executives over Masai Ujiri.
I suddenly unserstand significance of that red flag meme going around

[Dalek]

Masai is just incredible at PR and embodying Canadian values as a leader. People love him for that, but I do think he has not really positioned Toronto for the future. He says we are rebuilding, but when will Toronto be relevant again. I think Rogers was asking for a plan and that is fair because how bad will this team be?

Here is my take on Masai's tenure:

Prior to the 2019 championship Toronto was a bit of laughingstock being bullied by LBJ every playoff series. They did win a lot in the regular season though, but the East was historically bad during that time.

Toronto had one championship run based on a lucky trade for Kawhi Leonard and LBJ moving to another conference. Also, Golden State losing their most important player to injury also helped immensely.

After the Championship, he bungled all the free agencies there after losing Ibaka, Gasol and Lowry for little to no compensation.

Masai has always valued Toronto players so high with without testing the market. The Khem Birch signing makes no sense and I doubt he was valued in the market the way Toronto signed him on. Siakam was signed before being on the open market - same as OG, and FVV got a pretty big contract as a 6 foot PG who only averaged 17.6 points, 6.6 assists at the time of his deal.

Trent Jr. was RFA and yet they signed him right away when they could have went after other players with their capspace and signed him with Bird rights. Or, they could have done their own sign and trade if another team wanted him. He isn't a bad player, but the contract value at his age is tough to accept.

Lowry's sign and trade really only helped Miami and only brought a mediocre prospect in Achuiwa and a paperweight in Dragic and killed all the capspace that had been planned for the past summer. It wasn't a great free agency, but we missed out on Richaun Holmes and Spencer Dinwiddie which would have made this team much better and supported the core team if that was direction we were going in.

Instead we have an awkward group of vets in their primes who have to play with a bunch on underexperienced players that may make the playin game. I only say this because other front offices with cheaper and shrewd GMs have made huge strides like Chicago, NY, Atl, Phoenix and maybe even Charlotte will take step this year.

[Quattro]

The Blue Jays roster is in great shape and people are complaining? That team had terrible bad luck this season or else they might be the one in the WS.

You’re once again missing the point. The same guy involved here pushed out a GM who took this team from a 2 decade embarrassment to a double playoff run. And the team hasn’t made the playoffs since while the team our former GM has taken over is playing in the World Series.

And spare me the “luck”, “injuries” or whatever other BS jays fans love to trot out every year to explain another failure. Nobody cares

Was it Ed or Mark? Alex left on his own probably because he wanted more autonomy. Some of you should learn from him how to handle these matters. Fans shouldn't complain given the current status of the team, its in great shape.

Alex left because Rogers promoted someone outside the organization to the role he ought into have inherited.

And they’re in the same shape they’ve always been in other than the years AA brought them to the playoffs… the 4th best team in the AL east.

[MixxSRC]

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

There are two sides of the story?

Correction there are 3 sides to a story. The opposing views and the truth which lies somewhere in between.

Well truth doesn't always lie in the middle. Sometimes its just one side lies and another side is telling the truth.

[WaltFrazier]

LOL WTF @ the legit disinformation in this topic. None of the corporate Media in this country, aside from maybe TorStar which are old money neoliberal, if anything, are liberal in anyway. The G&M/NaPo/Sun media are definitely various shades of conservatism.

Some of y'all on this board are seriously far out there but I've bitten my tongue on it. Low key lots of misogyny, racism, classism, and outright racism. I don't know even know why y'all watch and support this team lol.

Agree

I come for the basketball conversation. However, it is difficult to ignore some of the opinions and observations without a side eye.

Anyone that would label the National Post (Post Media) and Sun News as liberal is smoking some bad stuff. Rebel Media, Ezra Levant, Faith Goldie, Micheal Coren, Gavin McInnis and Sun News were all far right personalities/entities who straddled the alt-right line disguised as conservatism.

I suggest you read a very old book Don't Blame the People by Robert Cirino about how the media uses bias.

[tweet]https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3998182-don-t-blame-the-people[/tweet]

The thing is newspapers are in decline, and the broadcast outlets are pretty Liberal biased, especially CBC news which is like an appendage of the Liberal Party.

[ItsDanger]

That is clearly not what youre doing, you introduced the supposition that the videographer (who was cited in the article as a bodyguard by Rogers) was filming.

Dunning/Kruger in full effect here.

I raised it as a question. Not a fact. Supposition means belief. I don't have a belief either way. I'd check your insults before attacking me when you have zero evidence.

Lol. Now hes the victim.

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

I dont need to check anything, except your posts, which is also sad.

Last post on this matter because its really irrelevant. I stated both sides don't quite make sense. But you take media's 3rd hand info as absolute fact. That is your choice but to insult someone else on that basis is very weak.