Toronto Star: Edward Rogers fought plans to keep Raptors’ Masai Ujiri

[Childs]

I thought people on this forum hate Doug Smith

[aminiaturebuddha]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

What in the blue hell are you on about now? How does this relate to this article?

On second thought, don't bother answering. Where's that ignore button...

[anotherhomer]

Is Edward rogers hired navigator firm , on this forum too?

[B-Ball Freak]

Motherf*** that guy, hope Toronto sports fans let him feel the wrath.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I raised it as a question. Not a fact. Supposition means belief. I don't have a belief either way. I'd check your insults before attacking me when you have zero evidence.

Lol. Now hes the victim.

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

I dont need to check anything, except your posts, which is also sad.

Last post on this matter because its really irrelevant. I stated both sides don't quite make sense. But you take media's 3rd hand info as absolute fact. That is your choice but to insult someone else on that basis is very weak.

Another assumption in a litany of them. I didnt take anyones info as "absolute fact", its all we have at the current time. If I wanted to wildly speculate like you, then you would have merit saying that. What you are doing is projecting. Good bye.

[MixxSRC]

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody everywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

LOL some people here are saying "i'm leaving Rogers." If this was Rogers powerplay they kind of goofed then. Maybe they are playing checkers

[Ramako]

I stated it earlier, don't be a pawn in boardroom chess game. This is more about RCI than Raptors. Article is being used to sway public opinion. This story is released so shortly after RCI CEO dispute? I'm seriously biting my tongue at how naive people are here. I laid it out but you follow emotional arguments constantly. This is chess, not checkers. None of you have brought up that 12th condition which involved a key restructuring (need more detail there). Sometimes, employees like Masai are used as leverage to get something else.

Personally, I detest Ted Rogers, but that goes back years in Brampton.

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody everywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

[WaltFrazier]

Read on Twitter

If Deitsch, who I liked on air, was still working for Fan90 would he have tweeted this?

Will any RSN outlets touch this story?

I wish Bob McCown still had his show, he would be all over it management be damned. I guess he has a podcast now, would be interesting

[xAIRNESSx]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

What in the blue hell are you on about now? How does this relate to this article?

On second thought, don't bother answering. Where's that ignore button...

Not to mention this board constantly complained about the OTPP when they owned the team.

But yeah, pretty random to bring up as a defence for Edward Rogers.

[ForeverTFC]

I'm stating both sides of the story don't make sense. You're taking speculation as fact. I'm not.

That is clearly not what youre doing, you introduced the supposition that the videographer (who was cited in the article as a bodyguard by Rogers) was filming.

Dunning/Kruger in full effect here.

I raised it as a question. Not a fact. Supposition means belief. I don't have a belief either way. I'd check your insults before attacking me when you have zero evidence.

Watch on YouTube

[MavCarter]

Read on Twitter

If Deitsch, who I liked on air, was still working for Fan90 would he have tweeted this?

Will any RSN outlets touch this story?

I wish Bob McCown still had his show, he would be all over it management be damned. I guess he has a podcast now, would be interesting

Was surprised to see that sid seixeiro didnt tweet about it. Then I remembered that BT is owned by rogers

[vini_vidi_vici]

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody everywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

Thats what is weird about all this, he injected the narrative that MU was filming all this, then tripled down on it, and called us pawns. Then to top it off gets upset because hes getting insulted. Its all very strange.

[WaltFrazier]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

I'm happy they send me money every month, but I always questioned 2 things:

as a member, was MLSE a good investment property for them

as a fan, were they a good owner

[tecumseh18]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

What in the blue hell are you on about now? How does this relate to this article?

On second thought, don't bother answering. Where's that ignore button...

As a fellow 2006'er, I think we both may vaguely recall criticism direction at Teachers' Pension for running MLSE as a pure business.

[ItsDanger]

What the **** are you talking about? Obviously there's way more at play here than whether Ed's buffoonery, including the mechanism within the family trust that empowers him to turnover the board, and whether he observed the proper practices in wielding that power. That doesn't detract from the fact that he is, indeed, a buffoon.

And obviously this news was leaked as a PR salvo within the context of this power struggle. Do you think that's like a profound revelation to literally anybody everywhere?

You really do think you're the smartest guy in the room. Chess indeed.

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

[Quattro]

What a black mark on this franchise too. Just like the old days. We’ve got ownership calling Masai, a universally admired figure in the league and telling him to his face that he’s overpaid. Brutal optics.

[ItsDanger]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

I'm happy they send me money every month, but I always questioned 2 things:

as a member, was MLSE a good investment property for them

as a fan, were they a good owner

Had some benefit to other holdings. As a member, its not an ideal investment to a pension plan where annual ROI and cash flow are key. AS a fan, I think 20011/12 was the low point, the attendance backs that up. However it had the side benefit of a more grass roots fanbase uprising which we see today I believe. Thats why I always give credit to Toronto fans first, management, ownership etc, 2nd. This market gets sold short too often.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Hey, it worked on a lot of people here didn't it? Check mate.

So what's your point exactly?

First your position was essentially "well, it's weird that Masai brought someone to film the meeting. You can't blame Ed for being suspicious"

The counter was, "The guy wasn't filming the meeting, and nowhere was it claimed that he filmed the meeting. Ed was just making uninformed assumptions because he's a buffoon"

And your response is, "Stop being a pawn! They're obviously just trying to make Ed look bad!"

Whenever your nonsense gets countered, whether it's here or in the anti-vax thread, your 'go-to' move is just to claim that everyone else is just a pawn for not seeing the big picture.

Oh... what a brilliant and insightful perspective you must have on the wiles of the world!

So you think this isn't about RCI power struggle? Public opinion is often utilized, that's a common go to move. Just coincidence this Masai story came out days afterwards? Why didn't it come out weeks ago? Nothing that I'm saying is unusual in the business world. This crap is routine.

Yes, everyone leave ItsDanger alone, he's onto something. The keystone in all of this RCI power struggle is this dude with a camera shadowing MU! Can't you all see it? It's so obvious.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

What in the blue hell are you on about now? How does this relate to this article?

On second thought, don't bother answering. Where's that ignore button...

As a fellow 2006'er, I think we both may vaguely recall criticism direction at Teachers' Pension for running MLSE as a pure business.

As also a 2006er, and a guy who did the daily papers for alot of yrs, there was alot of vitriol for OTPP esp from this fan base/RGM.

[lolwut]

OK, simple enough. Close all Rogers accounts.

Screw them.

Unfortunately, Rogers is the only decent internet option for my neighborhood. Bell doesn't have fast enough service, and independent ISPs are not price competitive.

I'm surprised you can't get TekSavvy. In my area I can get either resold Bell or Rogers service through them. Cable prices are a little cheaper/better than what Rogers offers, depending on tier:

Rogers Unlimited 50 = $90/month
Teksavvy Cable 75 = $72/month ($52/month for the first 6 months)

Rogers Unlimited 150 = $105/month
Rogers Unlimited 500 = $115/month
Teksavvy Cable 500 = $108/month ($89/month for the first 6 months)

Rogers Gigabit = $125/month
Teksavvy Cable 1024 = $118/month ($98/month for the first 6 months)

I can get Teksavvy, but Rogers has them beat on price. I'm getting 500Mbps for $60.