2021-2022 Regular Season Game 4: Orlando Magic (1-2) at Miami Heat (1-1) - 10/25/21 at 7:30pm ET

[SOUL]

So.... since practically all are onboard the Franz bandwagon, anyone here still prefer another player wr shouldve picked for #8? ( JK Giddy are not allowed)

Sengun but I always like how Franz would fit on our team hypothetically (and actually).

Most people were crying about Bouknight but I still don't see it with him. He had a nice preseason but isn't getting minutes for the Hornets yet.

[Xatticus]

That's most rebounds. Rebounding is rather poorly understood by most fans. What matters is how your team rebounds when you are on the floor. Raw numbers don't mean as much as people think. I see people mock Brook Lopez' rebounding numbers for a center, but his teams always rebound well when he is on the floor because he boxes guys out away from the paint. Some guys just feast on swiping rebounds from teammates.

Anthony has really good instincts, so it is probably fine to give him free rein, but everyone should be adept at boxing out. A guard can help his team's rebounding without actually collecting rebounds simply by consistently getting his ass on guys when the shot goes up.

Perhaps.

Anthony has always just seemed very... what's the word... aware of what his stat line is.

And if we *really* want to go tinfoil hat, I could see Cole justifying his chucking to himself by saying "well look at all the other stuff I did to help the team!" and citing the rebounds he vultured from his bigs

All things considered though, if the team rebounds better when he's on the floor than not, then I'm fine with it.

Yeah. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a fan of his game at all and I generally loathe guys that stat hunt, but I do think he is a capable rebounder. He does win some contested rebounds and you can see the anticipation. It’s important to have guys that can snare the long ones consistently.

[RookieStar]

So.... since practically all are onboard the Franz bandwagon, anyone here still prefer another player wr shouldve picked for #8? ( JK Giddy are not allowed)

Sengun but I always like how Franz would fit on our team hypothetically (and actually).

Most people were crying about Bouknight but I still don't see it with him. He had a nice preseason but isn't getting minutes for the Hornets yet.

yeah i dunno if Bouk and Moody has even played this season..

[89Magicfan]

So y’all are watching the games. I am not. Do y’all think Sugg’s future is best at the 2? It’s early I know just curious.

Glad to hear Franz is doing well. I can only see the highlights but he’s a very skilled high iq player from what I see.

[Xatticus]

If all 15 guys were magically able to be healthy at the same time, what would your rotation be?

I'd go...

Fultz, Suggs, F. Wagner, Isaac, Carter
Anthony, Hampton, Okeke, Bamba

as my top 9 with Ross traded.

Then in garbage time you could bring in a parade of veterans!

Moore, Harris, MCW, M. Wagner Lopez

MCW over Anthony for me. Maybe you lose a bit offensively? You gain a lot at the defensive end. The second unit was very tough to score on last year. There will still be minutes for Anthony as we know some guys will get banged up.

[basketballRob]

Suggs was shooting 929 (13-14) from the FT line prior to the game. The miss dropped him down to 875.

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[Bensational]

I’ll give Cole credit in that at least he goes after rebounds. He chases them to get them. Quite often our bigs will just watch it fly by them because getting the rebound wasn’t within their immediate reach.

[OrlDave]

Fultz, Suggs, F. Wagner, Isaac, Carter

That's my SL. I like Suggs off-ball and let Fultz handle. Cole can be the primary backup ball handler with off-ball. Longterm Ross/Harris are likely gone.

[pepe1991]

Lot of self inflicted wounds.

Cole Anthony missmatch on defense on Butler can happen once. Not 10 times.
Taking care of backdoor cuts needs to improve.

Other than that, they are simply better. I struggle to understand what PJ Tucker brings to basketball team in 2021-22. He is so over a hill that playing G league body over him would be on court improvment. High character , tough guy and all that ,but he doesnt' belong in nba for 2 years now. Probably should be in Haslem's role.

[Horcy]

Suggs hit 4 jumpers tonight, double what I've been looking for this season. But the coaching staff really needs to show him where the 3-point line is. Take those shots when you're already a star, Jalen!

He seemed much more accurate shooting long threes since summer league.
Range is something really personal and is the way the NBA is being played today. I'm totally fine with that.

[jezzerinho]

So.... since practically all are onboard the Franz bandwagon, anyone here still prefer another player wr shouldve picked for #8? ( JK Giddy are not allowed)

No, I've been on the Franzwagen since before the draft. I might have considered Sengun or Keon Johnson. Haven't followed up to see how either is doing so far

[drsd]

Low assists and high TOs. Out-rebounded and shot the ball poorly (horribly actually).

I guess on positive is the Magic's three-ball defense is better.

[tooler]

Suggs was shooting 929 (13-14) from the FT line prior to the game. The miss dropped him down to 875.

This was the most upsetting part of the game last night!

It seems like anyone shooting 90% on free throws will eventually figure out their jump shot. He just needs reps now that he's stopped playing football.

[Skybox]

I do have to say Cole hustles for every damn rebound which is nice to see.

I like it, but at the same time I can't help but feel like Cole has a little Russell Westbrook "I'm gonna chase rebounds my bigs could get in an effort to increase my triple double chances" in him.

That's most rebounds. Rebounding is rather poorly understood by most fans. What matters is how your team rebounds when you are on the floor. Raw numbers don't mean as much as people think. I see people mock Brook Lopez' rebounding numbers for a center, but his teams always rebound well when he is on the floor because he boxes guys out away from the paint. Some guys just feast on swiping rebounds from teammates.

Anthony has really good instincts, so it is probably fine to give him free rein, but everyone should be adept at boxing out. A guard can help his team's rebounding without actually collecting rebounds simply by consistently getting his ass on guys when the shot goes up.

This is great basketball analysis that I first heard on XM Radio's NBA channel. The effect that Brook Lopez has on his TEAM's rebounding numbers...throughout his career...that's an amazingly selfless thing and a really tough sell for these young guys. Team wins, Coach pats you on the butt and recognizes what you did...but whole inter web celebrates the PG's rebound numbers the next week. Admittedly, I can't stomach entire games very often and I've been somewhat down on WCJ...but is he the guy that makes ORL guards look good? Is that why he got the extension despite relatively mediocre scoring and rebounding numbers? Rip and run guards and wings are key to the modern offense...it just takes a level of sacrifice and maturity to get the bigs to buy in.

I've been more focused on our bigs not nailing meaningful picks. I'll have to study whether they are boxing out too. High flying weak side blocks are fun, but keeping bodies out of the paint is what champs do first.

[p0peye]

I watched most of the 2nd and 3rd, woke up again in late 4th quarter. Franz looks really good, everyone saying that are correct. Nice surprise to see him figure out way to contribute and be effective so fast. Suggs projects very good defensively, on offense he has a lot to learn, I expected more natural PG instincts to be there. WCJ is much better defensively than Bamba.

[OrlDave]

So.... since practically all are onboard the Franz bandwagon, anyone here still prefer another player wr shouldve picked for #8? ( JK Giddy are not allowed)

No, I've been on the Franzwagen since before the draft. I might have considered Sengun or Keon Johnson. Haven't followed up to see how either is doing so far

Just drop this here for people interested. Gets updated after each night.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_rookies.html

Not surprising the 24 yo guy is at the top scoring (Chris Durate). He's older than 2/3rd of our team lol.

edit: Keon Johnson hasn't played yet so he's not on the list (nor is Cade who continues to be injured)

[RookieStar]

So.... since practically all are onboard the Franz bandwagon, anyone here still prefer another player wr shouldve picked for #8? ( JK Giddy are not allowed)

No, I've been on the Franzwagen since before the draft. I might have considered Sengun or Keon Johnson. Haven't followed up to see how either is doing so far

Just drop this here for people interested. Gets updated after each night.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_rookies.html

Not surprising the 24 yo guy is at the top scoring (Chris Durate). He's older than 2/3rd of our team lol.

edit: Keon Johnson hasn't played yet so he's not on the list (nor is Cade who continues to be injured)

I think most of our 2nd pick choices before Suggs dropped into our laps ( Keon, Bouknight , Moody ) haven't played at all right?

[OrlDave]

No, I've been on the Franzwagen since before the draft. I might have considered Sengun or Keon Johnson. Haven't followed up to see how either is doing so far

Just drop this here for people interested. Gets updated after each night.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_rookies.html

Not surprising the 24 yo guy is at the top scoring (Chris Durate). He's older than 2/3rd of our team lol.

edit: Keon Johnson hasn't played yet so he's not on the list (nor is Cade who continues to be injured)

I think most of our 2nd pick choices before Suggs dropped into our laps ( Keon, Bouknight , Moody ) haven't played at all right?

Moody and Bouknight have played a tiiiiny bit. Bouknight 1 minute and Moody 4.5.

edit: Kuminga is also injured. That was a guy I wanted to see since he was a lot of people's choice for 5, although I was more a Barnes guy. Barnes/Sengun. But I'm pretty happy with Suggs/Wagner at this point. I'm sure Suggs will improve so I'm not too concerned.

[RookieStar]

So they did play garbage minutes huh? Well, that's what happens if you are in a PO team. Especially for JB where CHA is overloaded with guards. He is going to get buried there.

[OrlDave]

So they did play garbage minutes huh? Well, that's what happens if you are in a PO team. Especially for JB where CHA is overloaded with guards. He is going to get buried there.

Yeah kinda feel bad for him.