Toronto Star: Edward Rogers fought plans to keep Raptors’ Masai Ujiri

[vaff87]

Hit piece or not, its factual. The guy is trying to take over Rogers by force after being booted.

The guy is a racist MAGA POS trying to dump a top level executive that happens to be black.

You do the math.

Should be an interesting chant at the game tonight.

I’m not defending Edward Rogers here. And he probably is a racist. But when he essentially forced Beeston and AA out with the Jays, according to an article posted in this thread, he tried to hire Kenny Williams from the White Sox to take over. Kenny Williams is Black. I’m not trying to defend the guy, I just wanted to mention that anecdote.

Call it the Jerry Krause/Jerry Reinsdorf syndrome with the Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan. I want to install my own people to discredit the achievements of the predecessor. Ed Rogers has a history of ousting people he perceives a threat. That is classic insecure egocentric behavior.

Best example has to be Jerry Jones firing Jimmy Johnson because he didn’t like Johnson getting all the credit. Won one more Super Bowl with Johnson’s team, and haven’t even reached the NFC Championship game in the more than 25 years since.

[vaff87]

The great thing about owning the jays is that their fan base is so conditioned to losing that you can crap the bed every year and they’ll just line up to defend the team with excuse after excuse.

How come the Rays who also play in the AL east consistently contend for the playoffs or win the division with the minuscule resources they have?

They had a great year this year. I’ll give them that. Let’s see what happens to Ray and Siemian this winter. Want to place any bets that neither will be wearing blue next season because, of course, it wouldn’t be fiscally prudent to keep them.

The Rays are arguably the best run franchise in sports. Give them credit.

After Shapiro and Atkins took over, they had to rebuild the team, because AA left them with a baron farm system and an old, expensive roster. You might want to look at where the other teams the Jays were competing with in 2015-16 are in their rebuilding process. The Orioles, the Royals, the Rangers, the Indians. Take a look at where those teams are right now, and where the Jays are.

Shatkins rebuilt the Jays very quickly from an unenviable position. They were in a position where they had an old team, but were expected to do well, because so many casual fans like you saw that AA made the playoffs in 2015, and didn’t see the poor position he left the franchise in. But even after David Price left, they got another playoff season out of that aging core. Until it all fell apart. They were forced by ownership to continue to try to compete in 2017 and 2018, even though hardcore fans of the team knew the window had closed. But they were still able to rebuild the farm system, rid the team of poor contracts, and had the Jays back in the post-season in the weird format last year, and had them miss by one game this year. When they won over 90 games, and had one of the best run differentials for a non-playoff team in history.

I guess you forgot about how bare the cupboard was when AA took over from that jackass Ricciardi. We had one of the worst farm systems in baseball at the end of that idiots tenure. Not only that he was saddled with having to trade Halladay as his first major move.

The farm system was depleted when he left because he was smart enough to deal a bunch of prospects for the players he thought the team needed to get over the hump… which is exactly what I expect a good Gm to do. I’m the end they fell short but at least the guy had the smarts to build that team and the balls to go for it when he did.


Also love the way jays fans can complain in one breath about playing with the Yankees and Red Sox and dismiss the Rays as one of the best run teams in baseball so we shouldn’t be compared to them in the next.

Call me casual all you want. I lived and breathed baseball and was the biggest jays fan you would ever meet growing up. At some point in my adult life however, I decided I had better things to do with my time than support a team that was owned by a company that didn’t care whether it won or lost.

I very much remember AA taking over for Ricciardi. I don’t think AA is a bad GM. I think overall he’s pretty good. But he’s made a lot of mistakes as well. And I think his fanboys are often unfair to the current regime because they’re either unaware of or conveniently ignore a lot of things.

BTW, he made those moves because he knew he was bailing and someone else would have to clean up the mess.

Also, why are you a fan of a very right wing soccer team?

[Raptaz]

Lol the bull's announcer said Scott Barnes roomier of the year foul on derozan lol

[tdot_steel]

Hit piece or not, its factual. The guy is trying to take over Rogers by force after being booted.

The guy is a racist MAGA POS trying to dump a top level executive that happens to be black.

You do the math.

Should be an interesting chant at the game tonight.

I’m not defending Edward Rogers here. And he probably is a racist. But when he essentially forced Beeston and AA out with the Jays, according to an article posted in this thread, he tried to hire Kenny Williams from the White Sox to take over. Kenny Williams is Black. I’m not trying to defend the guy, I just wanted to mention that anecdote.

Was just about to say this. There is no strong evidence this has to with race. Many jumped on the "bodyguard" comment and they were the ones that went straight to race.

Ed Rogers wanted to boot 2 white guys out the door in 2014 in AA and Beeston to name Kenny Williams the Jays President of baseball operations. At the time, Kenny Williams wanted to come work for Rogers (which is telling) and Williams would have been the first African American in MLB to hold the president position.

Also make reference to this form the article;

He told his partners he felt the compensation was too high. Rogers was also convinced the Raptors could be managed without Ujiri’s help and by general manager Bobby Webster.

It doesnt make sense to say that race has anything to do with it when he wanted Bobby Wester, a Japanese-American run the organization.

I disagree with ED Rogers' evaluation if true, as Masai is the best person for the job. But when you are about to give someone possibly 3X times more than what they are being paid, while making Masai possibly the highest paid executive in North America, any owner has the right balk at the price especially when it comes to losing ownership. If the 3% return wasnt part of the conversation, Rogers probably wouldnt have been part of the negotiations. He is what almost every owner is, cheap or prudent with their money, put it anyway you like.

And if the other part of the report is true, where Masai didnt want to give his vision for the team, when the team was about to pay you a total of $75-$100M for an executive role, i would call you arrogant too.

This had everything to do about money and it appears ego. Neither is a good look, but welcome to sports owners, none of this is new.

This really boils my blood when people choose to look the other way when it comes to race.

Rogers own family authorized the hit job outing for trying to deep six a revered executive who brought a championship to Canada. This same man has made it his mission to support initiatives for POC. Edward Rogers has a picture with his family and Donald Trump. You think his family didn't realize the optics of circulating the photo and bringing to people's attention.

Wake up!

[ForeverTFC]

Only reason Masai was brought back was because MLSE and Bell feared the blowback (once they got wind of what Rogers said to Masai) in the current socio-political climate knowing that Masai is 100 percent likely to sing to the media. Otherwise, every party (on the ownership side) had reservations about acceding to Masai's demands.
Considering how long it took to come to an agreement... I mean Rogers was still not up for it clearly. But he got overruled. If rest of the parties were so eager to sign him, they could have overruled Rogers right at the beginning. BUT they didnt.

Imagine coming out of the woodworks to post crap like this. I really hope you're connected to Ed Rogers in some way, because the alternative explanation for your posts is extremely depressing.

[lobosloboslobos]

Only reason Masai was brought back was because MLSE and Bell feared the blowback (once they got wind of what Rogers said to Masai) in the current socio-political climate knowing that Masai is 100 percent likely to sing to the media. Otherwise, every party (on the ownership side) had reservations about acceding to Masai's demands.
Considering how long it took to come to an agreement... I mean Rogers was still not up for it clearly. But he got overruled. If rest of the parties were so eager to sign him, they could have overruled Rogers right at the beginning. BUT they didnt.

you really do sound like you could be one of the people in that picture of ed and his family with trump
which maga-moron are you?

[phillipmike]

This really boils my blood when people choose to look the other way when it comes to race.

Rogers own family authorized the hit job outing for trying to deep six a revered executive who brought a championship to Canada. This same man has made it his mission to support initiatives for POC. Edward Rogers has a picture with his family and Donald Trump. You think his family didn't realize the optics of circulating the photo and bringing to people's attention.

Wake up!

Not everything is about race. Wake up!

Edward Rogers scoured the entire league in 2014 asking for permission to talk to the best executives in baseball. After completing his search of 3+ months, his number 1 choice from 32 GMs plus other positions below and above, was to promote Kenny Williams to be the leagues very first African American President of Baseball Operations. The other 31 GMs were white. Rogers targeted Kenny Williams because he was the best person for the job and had previous ties to Toronto as a former player. Kenny wanted that job so badly he was willing to resign with the White Sox to take Rogers up on his offer;

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/12/7/7348805/kenny-williams-reignation-white-sox-blue-jays

When contacted, Williams told me, "It's being reported that I am considering resigning. I said when asked that in a situation like this, one has to re-evaluate everything, take stock and look at all options. I would be lying if I didn't say that (resigning) was one of them. I am here (San Diego) focused on helping to make the White Sox the best possible team we can."

A vast majority love Masai, but some dont - i dont understand why that is hard to believe. Masai isnt perfect but he is damn close to it my eyes. There isnt 1 executive out there that has 100% support. Some people may not like Masai, and it doesnt have to be about race. In fact it was outlined in the article, it was about money and ego. Plus he wanted a Japanese-American to run the Raptors.

If Rogers doesnt like minorities, he is doing a bad job of showing it because if he had his way 2 of the 3 sports teams in Toronto would have an African-American and a Japanese-American in charge.

[Westside Gunn]

That level of incompetence is expected when you have been a monopoly from the start

[Courtside]

I asked it as a question. Not possible for you to hurt my feelings. But so many of you take it from your own biases. I'm not the one being used here.

You should go back and read this thread, I think you'll find the bold statement to be false.

Follow your own advice and read the first few pages. And you have zero clue about why I post here. LOL.

Well, the forum has pretty much determined that you're either a paid mouthpiece or you enjoy being the village idiot. Either way, your opinion is just about the least respected on here, yet you continue to strut around like some sort of wise elder who everyone listens to. You speak of chess when everyone else is playing checkers - when you're pretty much the realgm embodiment of the chicken who knocks the pieces around the board clucking about how he won.

I'm willing to take the warning for the board when I say this, but you are a total effing clown and I feel sorry for the people who have to put up with you in real life.

[tdot_steel]

This really boils my blood when people choose to look the other way when it comes to race.

Rogers own family authorized the hit job outing for trying to deep six a revered executive who brought a championship to Canada. This same man has made it his mission to support initiatives for POC. Edward Rogers has a picture with his family and Donald Trump. You think his family didn't realize the optics of circulating the photo and bringing to people's attention.

Wake up!

Not everything is about race. Wake up!

Edward Rogers scoured the entire league in 2014 asking for permission to talk to the best executives in baseball. After completing his search of 3+ months, his number 1 choice from 32 GMs plus other positions below and above, was to promote Kenny Williams to be the leagues very first African American President of Baseball Operations. The other 31 GMs were white. Rogers targeted Kenny Williams because he was the best person for the job and had previous ties to Toronto as a former player. Kenny wanted that job so badly he was willing to resign with the White Sox to take Rogers up on his offer;

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/12/7/7348805/kenny-williams-reignation-white-sox-blue-jays

When contacted, Williams told me, "It's being reported that I am considering resigning. I said when asked that in a situation like this, one has to re-evaluate everything, take stock and look at all options. I would be lying if I didn't say that (resigning) was one of them. I am here (San Diego) focused on helping to make the White Sox the best possible team we can."

A vast majority love Masai, but some dont - i dont understand why that is hard to believe. Masai isnt perfect but he is damn close to it my eyes. There isnt 1 executive out there that has 100% support. Some people may not like Masai, and it doesnt have to be about race. In fact it was outlined in the article, it was about money and ego. Plus he wanted a Japanese-American to run the Raptors.

If Rogers doesnt like minorities, he is doing a bad job of showing it because if he had his way 2 of the 3 sports teams in Toronto would have an African-American and a Japanese-American in charge.

When you are not a POC you have the benefit of claiming it's not about race. But Edward Jr.s family sure is pointing fingers that it is. But that fact is lost on you.

His own Mom and sisters essentially put him on blast by posting a picture of him with an unabashed racist in Trump. That was not manufactured. His family knows him better than most and you are on here stunting for him. Regardless of the reason why his family is doing a hatchet job the facts are in plain sight. Let me ask you this has there been a denial by Edward of any of the claims by his sister. How much of an idiot does someone have to be for their own Mother to have put out an official statement requesting their son stop being an idiot

Your reading comprehension is elementary. Nobody said Rogers the company is racist. But since they were willing to hire a black person so that nullifies the possibility of racism Donald Sterling hired a whole bunch of the blacks and he wasn't a racist.
Donald Trump had "his" African American's that worked for him so he wasn't racist either.

I don't give a rat's ass but anyone taking a family photo with Trump is a racist. Defend all you want.

[ontnut]

I'm speculating given the 3rd hand info. You're assuming its legitimate fact. Big difference.

When did I assume any of this was fact?? Quite the irony this is the response of someone who is ACTUALLY assuming.

I stated clearly both sides as presented in the media appear questionable. In your next meeting with your boss, bring a friend with a camcorder and see what happens.

If my next meeting with my boss (who doesn't exist) happens at his cottage in muskoka, I will assume my boss isn't taking this meeting super seriously and will be okay with company.

[refshateRaps]

I'm happy for Masai. Contract are never cut & dry but he without a doubt earned his payday with this organization.

Trump derangement syndrome still going strong.

[Raps in 4]

This is not Edward's first rodeo. He was involved in efforts with the Blue Jays to push Beeston and Alex A out the door.

And while the jays continue to specialize in finishing in 4th place, the Braves are playing in the World Series. I stopped caring about the jays when this pissant pushed AA out the door. They’re a lost cause as long as they’re owned by these idiots. Watch how great their off-season will go.

The Jays are actually better than the Braves. They won more games and had a run differential nearly 50 runs better. And did that while playing the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays a combined 57 times. They have a much, much more difficult path than the Braves. The Braves wouldn’t sniff the playoffs, let alone World Series if they were in the AL East.

The Jays finished a miserable 8 games below their Pythagorean record due to having a moron of a manager and a useless bullpen. That's on Shatkins for not replacing him and not shoring up the pen. We're now about to lose our ace and our star 2B because Rogers like owning a baseball team but not paying for it.

And it's convenient that you're denigrating AA for his Braves not having the top run differential in baseball. Here's a fun fact, the Braves were +134 this year, higher than both Jays championship teams (the Jays were nowhere near the highest run differential the two years they won). He saw an opportunity to make a play for the playoffs and he made it with some shrewd acquisitions, just like he did back in 2015 (it's a shame Shatkins didn't go for it this year as we're going to lose key players in the off-season). He's an elite GM. It isn't a coincidence that his teams continue to go on deep playoff runs.

Shatkins have done a good job, but it was absolutely criminal what Rogers did to AA. He gave the city its best baseball team since 1993 (best team of all time if we want to play the run differential game) and Ed pushed him out the door.

[ontnut]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

I'm happy they send me money every month, but I always questioned 2 things:

as a member, was MLSE a good investment property for them

as a fan, were they a good owner

OTPP got sh** on a lot during their ownership tenure.

[KL78192020]

This is cute. This board has such a chip... As if having POC team president, they get to enjoy a share of his 15 million check as well (I'm a minority too you sheeple, before you get on your high horse).

do you get to enjoy a piece of Edward Rogers fortune? cute! keep sucking up to him.

[ForeverTFC]

Its amazing how OTPP evades all criticism meanwhile they let this franchise run into the ground up until 2011.

I'm happy they send me money every month, but I always questioned 2 things:

as a member, was MLSE a good investment property for them

as a fan, were they a good owner

OTPP got sh** on a lot during their ownership tenure.

I mean it is clear ItsDanger is grasping at straws and doesn't know what he's talking about. ALL of us hated the OTPP. But when your whole life can be so cleanly divided into two sides, of course he'd juxtapose Rogers with OTTP - as if we "sheeple" can't see what he's really tying to say.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Randle McMurphy]

I’m no fan of Ed Rogers and I believe keeping Ujiri was important to the long term health of the franchise, but I’m kind of glad at least somebody in the organization was questioning just giving a blank check to the guy based on what he did almost 2.5 years ago now.

[Randle McMurphy]

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Somebody leaked the Masai ordeal to help with their fight for control of the board imho.

Yes, his sisters presumably did. I’d imagine it is only the beginning.

[ontnut]

No GM is worth 15 million dollars (nothing wrong in Rogers' thoughts). You know how much Billy Beane makes - 4 million - in a sport where being a GM is most impactful.
This team is headed towards a decade of mediocrity or worse and here we have a bunch of lemmings cheering a suit. Gl.

Well...Beane turned down $12 million to join the Red Sox, because of personal reasons, so there's that. He was certainly "worth" $12 million at the time, which with inflation, is probably close to $15 mil now. Then the rest of the league caught up to Billy Beane's moneyball style/focusing on OBP/advanced stats etc., and Beane was no longer worth as much once his one trick became common practice.
Also, what has Beane won? Perhaps it says something that he's only making $4 mil because he hasn't won, and hasn't increased his franchise value multiple times over?