Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[KL78192020]

Proof of tanking working! If Masai followed team win now the Raptors wouldn't have Scottie.

A lot of luck involved as well as we moved up from 7 to 4.

Not to mention that Masai is a ninja.

Yes but team win now wanted to get the play in spot which would've put them in 12-14 range. Tanking got us Barnes, luck is always part of the equation.

Regardless not going to turn this into that thread. Barnes was a great pick and he was in the top 5 of most mock drafts. I think Mobley/Green still turn out to be the best players from the draft, but hes definitely top 3.

[ontnut]

ROY race between Scottie, Mobley, and Giddey. We'll see how Cade looks when he plays.

Green is a pylon on defence and streaky on offence. Suggs just sucks right now.

I'm annoyed because I put money on both Jalens to with ROY, and neither looks very likely right now. Figured they'd be the two guys with the most opportunity, and most NBA ready, but neither has looked that good. It's really a toss up right now.

[Madhouse]

I think the problem right now that he thinks he needs to give the ball up in the half court offense and is not decisive enough in the transition offense which leads to turnovers.

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This is another underlying issue.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Honestly, hes impressed me in almost every area, except his non-transition facilitating. I see flashes but unless hes staionary or guys are filling the wings in trnasition, I havent seen much to extol.

Im very excited for his future because I think the passing will come and hes exceeded in so many of my other issues I thought post-draft. Sky is the limit for him.

I agree. I also think the guys around him will become more aware of his tendencies and skillset which might help his halfcourt facilitation. For example, when he has the ball in the post, he does an excellent job of scanning the court for open teammates, but there are only a couple of times so far when it's directly led to buckets.

Much like how guys seemed to start cutting more after Gasol arrived and they realized he would get them the ball, I think the same thing will happen with Scottie, and we'll start to see some chemistry on hard cuts with guys like Trent, Precious, Birch, Svi, etc.

The issue isnt cutting though, as I think we do too much right now. Its kinda crazy how much different our offense is this yr. For Scottie, the issue for me is hes abit too passive, and when he gets the ball on swings he doesnt make his move right off the catch (like say GTJ), hes more deliberate and it allows the defense to set and load up.

I think the biggest issue is, and id say this for the whole team, its how to exploit all this cutting/DHOs. I mean we have already seen Scottie against multiple teams not give the handoff and turn and have a free lane to dunk. Im not sure how its going to help his facilitating though.

All in all, its tough right now given how much we have changed the offense for me to say, its execution or system.

[ontnut]

I'm getting stronger Giannis vibes (agressive paint attacker with long strides) than Lebron vibes (athletic playmaking big) so far.
Maybe it's masqueraded because the team has trouble hitting shots so far.

I'm really hoping Barnes becomes the team's future C, once he adds more strength.

Actually I've gotten more Simmons vibes from him so far. They do a lot of the same things very well, with defense, transition play, and rebounding being their strengths. Barnes obviously being the more willing shooter, and Ben being a better half court facilitator.

I'd like to see us eventually use Barnes like how we used Gasol on O, and how Denver uses Jokic, lots of touches around the FT line/key, look to facilitate from there.

[bluerap23]

I'm getting stronger Giannis vibes (agressive paint attacker with long strides) than Lebron vibes (athletic playmaking big) so far.
Maybe it's masqueraded because the team has trouble hitting shots so far.

I'm really hoping Barnes becomes the team's future C, once he adds more strength.

More Kawhiesque to me. Similarly raw offensive game with similarly developed defensive game. I just have a feeling that he is going to be an above average shooter. His form is so much better than it was 6 months ago.

[Vampirate]

Call me crazy but if its a redraft im having hard time not taking Barnes 1st overall. Its awesome that we get to witness the development of Scottie because although he might not be a star right now, the path to stardom is clearly there.

My only hope is that we develop him either as a PG or small ball center

Nah it's Mobley thus far and we haven't even seen Cade yet so we don't know what he's capable of.

As for Scottie, what impresses me the most is his shots inside the 3 point line look smooth, I can't describe this but he just looks like he gets buckets effortlessly sometimes.

I'm getting stronger Giannis vibes (agressive paint attacker with long strides) than Lebron vibes (athletic playmaking big) so far.
Maybe it's masqueraded because the team has trouble hitting shots so far.

I'm really hoping Barnes becomes the team's future C, once he adds more strength.

More Kawhiesque to me. Similarly raw offensive game with similarly developed defensive game. I just have a feeling that he is going to be an above average shooter. His form is so much better than it was 6 months ago.

Honestly from the highlights he's like a Hybrid.

He seems to have better range than Giannis has but not to Kawhi's extent.

[OakleyDokely]

Call me crazy but if its a redraft im having hard time not taking Barnes 1st overall. Its awesome that we get to witness the development of Scottie because although he might not be a star right now, the path to stardom is clearly there.

My only hope is that we develop him either as a PG or small ball center

Nah it's Mobley thus far and we haven't even seen Cade yet so we don't know what he's capable of.

As for Scottie, what impresses me the most is his shots inside the 3 point line look smooth, I can't describe this but he just looks like he gets buckets effortlessly sometimes.

Mobley and Barnes have near identical numbers so far.

Mobley: 33.0 MIN, 14.3 PPG, 8.3 REB, 2.8 AST, 55.0 FG%, 25.0 3PT%, 85.7 FT%, .617 TS%
Barnes: 34.3 MIN, 16.8 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 56.0 FG%, 16.7 3PT%, 71.4 FT%, .597 TS%

Kind of interesting that two of the biggest projected 'projects' by most draft experts are the two most impressive rookies so far.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Scottie has gone far beyond expectations at this point. His mid range shot is a huge surprise. Just curious about his 0.5 steals per game and 0.3 blocks per game. Kind of thought those numbers would be higher BUT could be because he's trying to be more disciplined on defense and isn't going for homerun plays.

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[vini_vidi_vici]

Scottie has gone far beyond expectations at this point. His mid range shot is a huge surprise. Just curious about his 0.5 steals per game and 0.3 blocks per game. Kind of thought those numbers would be higher BUT could be because he's trying to be more disciplined on defense and isn't going for homerun plays.

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My 2c.

Its probably because hes taking on the best on ball offensive players, and holding his own. Hes already been elite on the ball. I think hes actually a heady help defender too. I cant stop gushing about his defense though so perhaps im biased, but this kid is special on that end of the floor.

The biggest issue for him and by extension our D, is it relies alot on forcing TOVs (to start our transition) and some nights we cant just rely on our defense to make the other team inefficient with a bunch of stops.

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[Jcity08]

I like Scotties push shot, floaters and hook shots. He has a lot of tools to score in the paint.

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes barely has to jump offensively or defensively because he's just so damn long and big. He just needs to get his arms up. On offense his shot is almost unblockable and on defense, the defender can't see much beyond him.

[NBA Sheady]

Honestly, hes impressed me in almost every area, except his non-transition facilitating. I see flashes but unless hes staionary or guys are filling the wings in trnasition, I havent seen much to extol.

Im very excited for his future because I think the passing will come and hes exceeded in so many of my other issues I thought post-draft. Sky is the limit for him.

I agree. I also think the guys around him will become more aware of his tendencies and skillset which might help his halfcourt facilitation. For example, when he has the ball in the post, he does an excellent job of scanning the court for open teammates, but there are only a couple of times so far when it's directly led to buckets.

Yeah the cutters will cut. The shooters will relocate. There was a play on the break a few games ago where Achiuwa passed to Barnes and he touch-passed it back to him while in the air and Chewy bobbled the ball. Guys will get used to the freaky quick stuff Barnes can do with the ball. Better have those hands up if you want to play with Scottie.

[Los_29]

Proof of tanking working! If Masai followed team win now the Raptors wouldn't have Scottie.

A lot of luck involved as well as we moved up from 7 to 4.

Not to mention that Masai is a ninja.

Yes but team win now wanted to get the play in spot which would've put them in 12-14 range. Tanking got us Barnes, luck is always part of the equation.

Regardless not going to turn this into that thread. Barnes was a great pick and he was in the top 5 of most mock drafts. I think Mobley/Green still turn out to be the best players from the draft, but hes definitely top 3.

Who wanted the play-in?

[NBA Sheady]

This kid is going to be incredibly easy to build around. He can play virtually any position and give us virtually anything we need from him. The best thing he could possibly do is send Siakam back to being the 2nd option. That's obviously the dream scenario.

The thing that I'm finally realizing is so special about this kid. He would still be an excellent basketball player without his superhuman attributes.

[Dalek]

I really like Scottie has done so far, but I am also noticing Franz Wagner also looking pretty good:

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Franz has more blocks and steals and a positive assist-to-turnover ratio and 35% on threes. He basically achieved his projected outcome. There is no way he won't be a decent role player in the league - and he is only 20.

With Scottie it is a little weird to figure out. Great defender but doesn't get a ton of steals or blocks. He has pretty decent deflections but not leagues ahead of Wagner in that department. I do think Scottie is rebounding way better in the NBA than in college but his assist numbers are way down. It could be just him adapting to his new role.

I like Scottie because he has size/strength over Franz, but they are not too far off from each other at this stage.

[Los_29]

I really like Scottie has done so far, but I am also noticing Franz Wagner also looking pretty good:

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Franz has more blocks and steals and a positive assist-to-turnover ratio and 35% on threes. He basically achieved his projected outcome. There is no way he won't be a decent role player in the league - and he is only 20.

With Scottie it is a little weird to figure out. Great defender but doesn't get a ton of steals or blocks. He has pretty decent deflections but not leagues ahead of Wagner in that department. I do think Scottie is rebounding way better in the NBA than in college but his assist numbers are way down. It could be just him adapting to his new role.

I like Scottie because he has size/strength over Franz, but they are not too far off from each other at this stage.

Who doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks? Franz or Scottie? In 4 summer league games and 5 preseason games Scottie averaged 1.2spg and nearly 1.5bpg while only playing 26-27mpg.

I am a Franz fan, he was getting bashed on this board due to a poor summer league and preseason showing. I think he's going to be a good player. With that said, comparing him to Scottie is absurd and I'm sure you know that.

[DelAbbot]

Can someone remind me of Barnes' measurements from the combine (wing span, hand size, standing reach etc)?

and comparisons of those measurements to other NBA players?

[Dalek]

I really like Scottie has done so far, but I am also noticing Franz Wagner also looking pretty good:

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Franz has more blocks and steals and a positive assist-to-turnover ratio and 35% on threes. He basically achieved his projected outcome. There is no way he won't be a decent role player in the league - and he is only 20.

With Scottie it is a little weird to figure out. Great defender but doesn't get a ton of steals or blocks. He has pretty decent deflections but not leagues ahead of Wagner in that department. I do think Scottie is rebounding way better in the NBA than in college but his assist numbers are way down. It could be just him adapting to his new role.

I like Scottie because he has size/strength over Franz, but they are not too far off from each other at this stage.

Who doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks? Franz or Scottie? In 4 summer league games and 5 preseason games Scottie averaged 1.2spg and nearly 1.5bpg while only playing 26-27mpg.

I am a Franz fan, he was getting bashed on this board due to a poor summer league and preseason showing. I think he's going to be a good player. With that said, comparing him to Scottie is absurd and I'm sure you know that.

I don't know why comping Franz with Scottie is absurd. Franz was considered a pretty strong defensive prospect in the draft and given his similar age to Scottie I thought it is worth bringing up. He may not have the on-court intensity of Scottie, but I think Franz is comparable at this stage.

I have watched Franz play this year and he is a good pro already on both ends and arguably has been more efficient on offense given his passing and shooting numbers. It is just something to watch as the season unfolds. I always thought Franz reminded me of a poorman's Gordan Hayward.