Nets v. Wizards | 10.25.2021 @ 7:30 PM on YES/NBATV

[Prokorov]

You’re right still pissed about last season, maybe overreaction on my part , but if this continues Marks should wait for few games good stretch and ship him out if possible
Even though he hit this three 8 of 10 (20%)

Who would you want to trade joe for? someone elses three point shooter who is less consistent/reliable? because quite literally every shooter in the NBA is less consistent/reliable with a huge 3 year sample

Who said i want a shooter ?
Harris will perform and give you few threes here and there in meaningless regular season games but ,
hypothetically we down 3 with 7 seconds in playoff game , i don't wanna see ball in Harris hands , i rather KD Harden or Mills shoot it despite Joe great %
I don’t trust him in crunch time , period

IF you dont want a shooter what do you want?

OF course you want the ball in KD/Harden/Mill/Kyries hands. Every team wants the ball in its best players hands. That is not a criticism of Harris, but more the reality that role guys arent guys you count on to make the big shots

[Prokorov]

Eh I’m as pissed at Joe as anyone for his disappearing act against the Bucks in the playoffs, but shooting 35% through 4 games from deep isn’t the worst thing in the world.

I have legit concerns about how the guy is gonna play come playoff time, because unfortunately I get the feeling he’s just a choker and can’t perform when the lights are brightest (which is why I think he should have been traded for anyone that can actually function in the playoffs, since that’s really what matters at the end of the day), but so far this regular season? Eh, it’s 4 games.

Hes terrible. Its not just the shooting. His scoring and defense have been terrible. I get it its a few games. But why does he keep doing this?

you make sound like he is doing it on purpose.

Shooters have ups and downs with their shots. Joe is hitting 1 less three a game and scoring 3.5 points less then normal. Basically, he is 1 shot a game worse then the norm. You turn 1 miss into 1 make each of the 4 games and his stats look like this:

18-41 from three (43.9%) 13.6 ppg | 4.8 rpg

Last year he was
47.5% from three (Career 43.6%) 14.1 ppg | 3.6 rpg

people are crushing joe over like litterly making 1 less shot per game then he typically does. ONE SHOT!

his defensive rating (1.12 PPP) is better then last year (1.17) and his career (1.14).

He for sure is shooting below the norm. and maybe because of that his D isnt as focused, but he isnt playing too far off the norm and is hustling (dove for several loose balls last 2 games) and is hitting the glass at the same rate as normal.

I think this is a massive overreaction to a slow but not awful start to the year shooting the ball that is based more on disappointment in his late series performance vs. the bucks as opposed to the reality of his actual play in these 4 games.

Again, you want to see what early struggles look like, look at shamets first month last year

[DarkXaero]

Eh I’m as pissed at Joe as anyone for his disappearing act against the Bucks in the playoffs, but shooting 35% through 4 games from deep isn’t the worst thing in the world.

I have legit concerns about how the guy is gonna play come playoff time, because unfortunately I get the feeling he’s just a choker and can’t perform when the lights are brightest (which is why I think he should have been traded for anyone that can actually function in the playoffs, since that’s really what matters at the end of the day), but so far this regular season? Eh, it’s 4 games.

Hes terrible. Its not just the shooting. His scoring and defense have been terrible. I get it its a few games. But why does he keep doing this?

you make sound like he is doing it on purpose.

Shooters have ups and downs with their shots. Joe is hitting 1 less three a game and scoring 3.5 points less then normal. Basically, he is 1 shot a game worse then the norm. You turn 1 miss into 1 make each of the 4 games and his stats look like this:

18-41 from three (43.9%) 13.6 ppg | 4.8 rpg

Last year he was
47.5% from three (Career 43.6%) 14.1 ppg | 3.6 rpg

people are crushing joe over like litterly making 1 less shot per game then he typically does. ONE SHOT!

his defensive rating (1.12 PPP) is better then last year (1.17) and his career (1.14).

He for sure is shooting below the norm. and maybe because of that his D isnt as focused, but he isnt playing too far off the norm and is hustling (dove for several loose balls last 2 games) and is hitting the glass at the same rate as normal.

I think this is a massive overreaction to a slow but not awful start to the year shooting the ball that is based more on disappointment in his late series performance vs. the bucks as opposed to the reality of his actual play in these 4 games.

Again, you want to see what early struggles look like, look at shamets first month last year

These are some impressive mental gymnastics.

[therealbig3]

Yeah, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle lol. You can't just handwave away bad performance like that.

It's a very small sample size right now, that's the main thing. But no question he's been bad. And yeah, it's coming off a pretty inexcusable disappearing act in the playoffs. He's like the main reason in my mind we lost that series, aside from the injuries.

Fans have every right to be over him at this point. He's got to win a lot of good will back, and so far, he's done the opposite.

[MrDollarBills]

There's no way that we can spin Joe's performance over these first 4 games. He's been horribly bad. 47% TS. He's actually been a negative for us on offense metrics wise which is unheard of.

That being said, Harden is right there with him in terms of inefficiency. His shooting is horrible too. The difference is, Harden isn't a negative rating on offense because he creates shots for others. Joe doesn't. So, we need to request that Joe start to hold up his end of the bargain.

I expect both guys to work themselves up to their norms. It's been 4 games. While I wish we were 4-0, I will take 2-2 and see what happens from here.

I still say that we need to run actual plays for Joe instead of whatever we do now. Honestly, defenders have it easy right now if they draw Harris as their assignment. I don't see much movement or screens to free him up for shots. It's absurd that we have one of the league's historically best shooters and we don't look to run set plays for him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Yeah, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle lol. You can't just handwave away bad performance like that.

It's a very small sample size right now, that's the main thing. But no question he's been bad. And yeah, it's coming off a pretty inexcusable disappearing act in the playoffs. He's like the main reason in my mind we lost that series, aside from the injuries.

Fans have every right to be over him at this point. He's got to win a lot of good will back, and so far, he's done the opposite.

Agreed.

If Harris even played close to his usual self we win that series easily. Instead he had one of the worst stretches of his career.

Paying 19 mill for this.

[Pablo Escobar]

you make sound like he is doing it on purpose.

Shooters have ups and downs with their shots. Joe is hitting 1 less three a game and scoring 3.5 points less then normal. Basically, he is 1 shot a game worse then the norm. You turn 1 miss into 1 make each of the 4 games and his stats look like this:

18-41 from three (43.9%) 13.6 ppg | 4.8 rpg

Last year he was
47.5% from three (Career 43.6%) 14.1 ppg | 3.6 rpg

people are crushing joe over like litterly making 1 less shot per game then he typically does. ONE SHOT!

his defensive rating (1.12 PPP) is better then last year (1.17) and his career (1.14).

He for sure is shooting below the norm. and maybe because of that his D isnt as focused, but he isnt playing too far off the norm and is hustling (dove for several loose balls last 2 games) and is hitting the glass at the same rate as normal.

I think this is a massive overreaction to a slow but not awful start to the year shooting the ball that is based more on disappointment in his late series performance vs. the bucks as opposed to the reality of his actual play in these 4 games.

Again, you want to see what early struggles look like, look at shamets first month last year

He can't guard a chair and falls off come playoff time. Who cares about his percentages in the reg season? you need to be consistent in the playoffs. Dude is just a bigger version of Reddick, good thing he has a big contract because he can be used in a trade. And you can't manipulate stats like that..

[Prokorov]

Hes terrible. Its not just the shooting. His scoring and defense have been terrible. I get it its a few games. But why does he keep doing this?

you make sound like he is doing it on purpose.

Shooters have ups and downs with their shots. Joe is hitting 1 less three a game and scoring 3.5 points less then normal. Basically, he is 1 shot a game worse then the norm. You turn 1 miss into 1 make each of the 4 games and his stats look like this:

18-41 from three (43.9%) 13.6 ppg | 4.8 rpg

Last year he was
47.5% from three (Career 43.6%) 14.1 ppg | 3.6 rpg

people are crushing joe over like litterly making 1 less shot per game then he typically does. ONE SHOT!

his defensive rating (1.12 PPP) is better then last year (1.17) and his career (1.14).

He for sure is shooting below the norm. and maybe because of that his D isnt as focused, but he isnt playing too far off the norm and is hustling (dove for several loose balls last 2 games) and is hitting the glass at the same rate as normal.

I think this is a massive overreaction to a slow but not awful start to the year shooting the ball that is based more on disappointment in his late series performance vs. the bucks as opposed to the reality of his actual play in these 4 games.

Again, you want to see what early struggles look like, look at shamets first month last year

These are some impressive mental gymnastics.

it is not gymnastics at all, it is fact.

People are making it out like joe is chucking up bricks. 35% from three is not Joe at his best, but it isnt some awful struggling start either. As i showed above, the difference between current joe and typical joe is 1 more made three point attempt per game.

If Joe goes 5/6 his next game he will be at 43%. it will take exactly 1 good game for Joe to be where he normally is. Again, we have seen a sniper struggle early just 1 year ago. Shamet shot 25% the first month of the year.

This is all just over-hating on Joe because he missed key shots vs the bucks. This is who he is. he is playing the same offense, taking the same shots, playing the same level of D with same level of effort, rebounding the same... his shot is just falling at a rate of 1 less make per game.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle lol. You can't just handwave away bad performance like that.

It's a very small sample size right now, that's the main thing. But no question he's been bad. And yeah, it's coming off a pretty inexcusable disappearing act in the playoffs. He's like the main reason in my mind we lost that series, aside from the injuries.

Fans have every right to be over him at this point. He's got to win a lot of good will back, and so far, he's done the opposite.

Joe was pretty good in the playoffs. lights out in the boston series and good in the bucks series until Kyrie got hurt. When it was just KD, the bucks could put omre attention on Joe. when a top defensive team is defending joe as a #2 option and he is asked to play 45+ minutes, he is going to struggle.

He has been worse then normal these first 4 games, but "bad" or "awful" is just flat out wrong. 10 ppg on 35% is like an avg role shooter. as mentioned above, 1 good game and he will be back at his career average.

[Prokorov]

you make sound like he is doing it on purpose.

Shooters have ups and downs with their shots. Joe is hitting 1 less three a game and scoring 3.5 points less then normal. Basically, he is 1 shot a game worse then the norm. You turn 1 miss into 1 make each of the 4 games and his stats look like this:

18-41 from three (43.9%) 13.6 ppg | 4.8 rpg

Last year he was
47.5% from three (Career 43.6%) 14.1 ppg | 3.6 rpg

people are crushing joe over like litterly making 1 less shot per game then he typically does. ONE SHOT!

his defensive rating (1.12 PPP) is better then last year (1.17) and his career (1.14).

He for sure is shooting below the norm. and maybe because of that his D isnt as focused, but he isnt playing too far off the norm and is hustling (dove for several loose balls last 2 games) and is hitting the glass at the same rate as normal.

I think this is a massive overreaction to a slow but not awful start to the year shooting the ball that is based more on disappointment in his late series performance vs. the bucks as opposed to the reality of his actual play in these 4 games.

Again, you want to see what early struggles look like, look at shamets first month last year

He can't guard a chair and falls off come playoff time. Who cares about his percentages in the reg season? you need to be consistent in the playoffs. Dude is just a bigger version of Reddick, good thing he has a big contract because he can be used in a trade. And you can't manipulate stats like that..

Harris has not been bad in the playoffs. i outlined this in the other thread.

He was poor vs philly (pre-big 3 era, hugely outmatched, injured team, etc)
He was great vs. toronto and Boston
He was good vs. the bucks until Kyrie got hurt

Also, compare Harris playoff resume to any other 3pt specialist. he stacks up incredibly favorably.

[ecuhus1981]

Harris has played awful these first 4 games of the season. I dare you to sit on your hands and let this be the last word. Don't reply.

[DarkXaero]

Harris has played awful these first 4 games of the season. I dare you to sit on your hands and let this be the last word. Don't reply.

For real But but playoffs series being held against him!

Just take this season's start in isolation and Joe has been factually awful so far. Dude seems to be Joe Harris PR here. I'm not super concerned about it but those are the facts so far.

[Nebkreb11]

I don't understand why Marks hasn't added a rebounding/athletic big man. Someone who can go get rebounds on demand. I don't care if he can't shoot. It's clear that we have no one who can even battle with the likes of Embiid/Adebayo/Giannis. You don't stop those guys, but we can't even make it difficult. There's a clear way to beat this Nets team. If we have an off shooting night, we're toast.

[akhan786]

We would be reigning champions rn if Giannis hadn’t stopped on Kyrie’s ankle smh