Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Los_29]

I really like Scottie has done so far, but I am also noticing Franz Wagner also looking pretty good:

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Franz has more blocks and steals and a positive assist-to-turnover ratio and 35% on threes. He basically achieved his projected outcome. There is no way he won't be a decent role player in the league - and he is only 20.

With Scottie it is a little weird to figure out. Great defender but doesn't get a ton of steals or blocks. He has pretty decent deflections but not leagues ahead of Wagner in that department. I do think Scottie is rebounding way better in the NBA than in college but his assist numbers are way down. It could be just him adapting to his new role.

I like Scottie because he has size/strength over Franz, but they are not too far off from each other at this stage.

Who doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks? Franz or Scottie? In 4 summer league games and 5 preseason games Scottie averaged 1.2spg and nearly 1.5bpg while only playing 26-27mpg.

I am a Franz fan, he was getting bashed on this board due to a poor summer league and preseason showing. I think he's going to be a good player. With that said, comparing him to Scottie is absurd and I'm sure you know that.

I don't know why comping Franz with Scottie is absurd. Franz was considered a pretty strong defensive prospect in the draft and given his similar age to Scottie I thought it is worth bringing up. He may not have the on-court intensity of Scottie, but I think Franz is comparable at this stage.

I have watched Franz play this year and he is a good pro already on both ends and arguably has been more efficient on offense given his passing and shooting numbers. It is just something to watch as the season unfolds. I always thought Franz reminded me of a poorman's Gordan Hayward.

Well one has a much higher ceiling. You can't look at Franz and think he compares well physically and athletically to Barnes. It's not about what they can do now. It's about what they think they can do in in 5 years. Scottie's athleticism, feel for the game, size gives him an incredibly high ceiling.

[Johnny Bball]

A lot of luck involved as well as we moved up from 7 to 4.

Not to mention that Masai is a ninja.

Yes but team win now wanted to get the play in spot which would've put them in 12-14 range. Tanking got us Barnes, luck is always part of the equation.

Regardless not going to turn this into that thread. Barnes was a great pick and he was in the top 5 of most mock drafts. I think Mobley/Green still turn out to be the best players from the draft, but hes definitely top 3.

Who wanted the play-in?

There's that and there's ... Just no. Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

And fwiw, if him and all in tantrum world order had anything to do with it, we wouldn't have Barnes either.

Scottie Barnes is going to be a star is all I think about him right now. I've not seen a rookie defend like that walking into the league.

[NBA Sheady]

Yes but team win now wanted to get the play in spot which would've put them in 12-14 range. Tanking got us Barnes, luck is always part of the equation.

Regardless not going to turn this into that thread. Barnes was a great pick and he was in the top 5 of most mock drafts. I think Mobley/Green still turn out to be the best players from the draft, but hes definitely top 3.

Who wanted the play-in?

There's that and there's ... Just no. Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

And fwiw, if him and all in tantrum world order had anything to do with it, we wouldn't have Barnes either.

Scottie Barnes is going to be a star is all I think about him right now. I've not seen a rookie defend like that walking into the league.

Not since Mutombo

[TrustFundBaby]

Scottie has gone far beyond expectations at this point. His mid range shot is a huge surprise. Just curious about his 0.5 steals per game and 0.3 blocks per game. Kind of thought those numbers would be higher BUT could be because he's trying to be more disciplined on defense and isn't going for homerun plays.

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Yeah this is something I thought was surprising as well. I know it's a casual take to say Steals&Blocks=Defense BUT there is a decent correlation between the elite All Defensive guys and high numbers.

For example Giannis Kawhi and Draymond were all good for close to 3 total STL+ BLKs a game. I do think as Barnes develops and has a better feel for utilizing his length that could go up.

His defense overall has been elite though, that sequence he had vs BOS where he denied all their action pretty much, screamed Draymond to me, who is one of the GOATs defensively

Offensively I like how he sells his head fakes as if to pass, that got him some nice passes and even an open dunk vs the Mavs. Incredible BBIQ from a rookie.

Really interested to see how Siakam helps his game out, giving Scottie another weapon to pass to/play off of

[Bruin]

Jalen Green had a rough game after that 30 point hot shooting night

10 pts on 4/16

[tecumseh18]

Yes but team win now wanted to get the play in spot which would've put them in 12-14 range. Tanking got us Barnes, luck is always part of the equation.

Regardless not going to turn this into that thread. Barnes was a great pick and he was in the top 5 of most mock drafts. I think Mobley/Green still turn out to be the best players from the draft, but hes definitely top 3.

Who wanted the play-in?

There's that and there's ... Just no. Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

And fwiw, if him and all in tantrum world order had anything to do with it, we wouldn't have Barnes either.

Scottie Barnes is going to be a star is all I think about him right now. I've not seen a rookie defend like that walking into the league.

Yeah, just watched the Bulls feed for last night's game (hey, it was an exciting game), and their analyst referred to Barnes as "league ready". They particularly liked his court vision, which was very un-rookie-esque.

[Raps in 4]

Jalen Green had a rough game after that 30 point hot shooting night

10 pts on 4/16

Aside from that one fluky game, Green has not impressed.

[Raps in 4]

Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

[Johnny Bball]

Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

And you think I’m that why… that I prefer bad teams? Do you actually think people prefer bad teams to watch?

And I you didn’t obviously understand my point or this wouldn’t even be your response since it’s rather obtuse.

[Danny1616]

Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

You still don't get that a lot of were saying if the team sucks half way through the year it's fine to tank. Many of us were just saying you don't go into the season with the goal of tanking straight away.

How difficult is this for you to understand? It's not rocket science.

[Raps in 4]

Lottery balls got us Barnes. Tanking got us more lottery balls.

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

You still don't get that a lot of were saying if the team sucks half way through the year it's fine to tank. Many of us were just saying you don't go into the season with the goal of tanking straight away.

How difficult is this for you to understand? It's not rocket science.

The debate didn't even heat up until the halfway point of the season...

Team treadmill was all-in on making the play-in game until the end.

[Danny1616]

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

You still don't get that a lot of were saying if the team sucks half way through the year it's fine to tank. Many of us were just saying you don't go into the season with the goal of tanking straight away.

How difficult is this for you to understand? It's not rocket science.

The debate didn't even heat up until the halfway point of the season...

Team treadmill was all-in on making the play-in game until the end.

What are you talking about? The debates started before the season even started. Are you kidding me?

Most were in favor of a tank when the team was clearly out of the playoffs.

But you had posters like Steelo arguing we didn't tank even though guys like Lowry, Fred, Gary, Siakam etc. were sitting out games with about 17 games left in the season (in a shortened season).

[DG88]

[Raps_456]

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“ Beam Me Up, Scottie
Scottie Barnes entered the NBA with a pro-ready body, and through the first week of the season, he’s already producing like a veteran.”
“ Barnes is a disruptor. He can use his quickness against DeMar DeRozan or Bradley Beal, and strength to handle Jayson Tatum or Luka Doncic. Few rookies have ever entered the league with defensive ability as strong as his, and he’s one of the key reasons why the Raptors have an elite defense to start the season. Forget about Rookie of the Year; Barnes may be one of the few rookies in history to earn a spot on the All-Defensive team.”

[Madhouse]

I'm glad Team Treadmill finally gets it.

You still don't get that a lot of were saying if the team sucks half way through the year it's fine to tank. Many of us were just saying you don't go into the season with the goal of tanking straight away.

How difficult is this for you to understand? It's not rocket science.

The debate didn't even heat up until the halfway point of the season...

Team treadmill was all-in on making the play-in game until the end.

Tanking works if you get some luck and know how to draft. But luck is always involved in building a good team no matter how you do it.

Masai knows how to draft, so getting in the lottery for 1 or 2 more years is not a bad strategy as long as you don't hurt development or your other assets.

[PT416]

This draft was legit. You know Cade's gonna be solid, Green is struggling out the gate but he's still gonna be an elite scorer and Mobley is a stud so far. I just can't believe that Barnes is outplaying everyone right now. Most GMs would have bought into the hype and went with Suggs at 4. It's crazy what the difference is between an average GM and having a scout like Masai making those decisions. Even Poeltl is ready to break out. It's scary to think what he can do with more lottery picks.

[HumbleRen]

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Explains why he's averaging 1 assist lol.

[Hero_Panda]

I too would like to see Scottie average at least 1 spg and 1 bpg but Nurse probably told him to focus on position and being in the right place at the right time defensively.

Let's not forget, during his time as a Raptor Big Papi Gasol didn't have the sexy steals and block numbers but his defensive presence was heavily felt when he was here, and was sorely missed when he left.

As Scottie gets more familiar with the defensive schemes and when to take chances to reach out those Stretch-Armstrong-like arms, i'm sure the stats will folllow suit.

[Madhouse]

I too would like to see Scottie average at least 1 spg and 1 bpg but Nurse probably told him to focus on position and being in the right place at the right time defensively.

Let's not forget, during his time as a Raptor Big Papi Gasol didn't have the sexy steals and block numbers but his defensive presence was heavily felt when he was here, and was sorely missed when he left.

As Scottie gets more familiar with the defensive schemes and when to take chances to reach out those Stretch-Armstrong-like arms, i'm sure the stats will folllow suit.

I thought his points and rebounds would be lower and everything else higher. I think it reverses soon.

[Dalek]

Who doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks? Franz or Scottie? In 4 summer league games and 5 preseason games Scottie averaged 1.2spg and nearly 1.5bpg while only playing 26-27mpg.

I am a Franz fan, he was getting bashed on this board due to a poor summer league and preseason showing. I think he's going to be a good player. With that said, comparing him to Scottie is absurd and I'm sure you know that.

I don't know why comping Franz with Scottie is absurd. Franz was considered a pretty strong defensive prospect in the draft and given his similar age to Scottie I thought it is worth bringing up. He may not have the on-court intensity of Scottie, but I think Franz is comparable at this stage.

I have watched Franz play this year and he is a good pro already on both ends and arguably has been more efficient on offense given his passing and shooting numbers. It is just something to watch as the season unfolds. I always thought Franz reminded me of a poorman's Gordan Hayward.

Well one has a much higher ceiling. You can't look at Franz and think he compares well physically and athletically to Barnes. It's not about what they can do now. It's about what they think they can do in in 5 years. Scottie's athleticism, feel for the game, size gives him an incredibly high ceiling.

I totally see your point. Scottie is a beast physically and he has a great feel for the game and like I mentioned energy. That said, Franz is like 6'9 /6'10 with a 7ft wingspan like Scottie and neither is a freak run and jump athlete.

Franz is pretty good at his role and while Scottie has a higher ceiling he still has to figure things out - there is a chance he just ends up only a great role player. I just think it will be interesting to watch these two to see who ends up more impactful to start to their career.