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ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
ParticleMan wrote:jmr07019 wrote:Why do we need to magnify terror in beings? What purpose is this serving?
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
ballup wrote:ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
I don't know if anyone told you, but the vaccine is free for people to take.
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For all the pharmaceutical industry’s self-congratulatory rhetoric about its own innovations, the federal government uses your tax dollars to fund a lot of that innovation, research, and development.
A study from the National Academy of Sciences tells that story: The federal government spent $100 billion to subsidize the research on every single one of the 200-plus drugs approved for sale in the United States between 2010 and 2016.
Because we the public invested early in these medicines, we reduced the R&D costs for pharmaceutical companies. Therefore, on the back end, the public should have received some sort of return in the form of affordable prices. After all, we took the initial risk, and we lowered the overhead costs that the drug companies might need to recoup through higher prices. In business terms, the public is the early venture investor in these products, and we deserve a share of the returns when the product proves valuable.
However, in the mid-1990s, that business axiom was tossed out when drug lobbyists convinced the Clinton administration to repeal rules that allowed federal officials to require government-subsidized drugs to be offered to Americans at a “reasonable price.”
A few years later, Congress — with then-Senator Joe Biden’s help — voted down legislation to reinstate these rules, and later the Obama administration rejected House Democrats’ request that federal officials at least provide guidelines to government agencies about how they can exercise their remaining powers to combat drug price gouging.
The result: We now routinely face immoral situations like last week’s news that pharmaceutical giant Merck is planning to charge Americans $712 for a COVID drug that cost only $17.74 to produce and whose development was subsidized by the American government.
jmr07019 wrote:ballup wrote:ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
I don't know if anyone told you, but the vaccine is free for people to take.
Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkFor all the pharmaceutical industry’s self-congratulatory rhetoric about its own innovations, the federal government uses your tax dollars to fund a lot of that innovation, research, and development.
A study from the National Academy of Sciences tells that story: The federal government spent $100 billion to subsidize the research on every single one of the 200-plus drugs approved for sale in the United States between 2010 and 2016.
Because we the public invested early in these medicines, we reduced the R&D costs for pharmaceutical companies. Therefore, on the back end, the public should have received some sort of return in the form of affordable prices. After all, we took the initial risk, and we lowered the overhead costs that the drug companies might need to recoup through higher prices. In business terms, the public is the early venture investor in these products, and we deserve a share of the returns when the product proves valuable.
However, in the mid-1990s, that business axiom was tossed out when drug lobbyists convinced the Clinton administration to repeal rules that allowed federal officials to require government-subsidized drugs to be offered to Americans at a “reasonable price.”
A few years later, Congress — with then-Senator Joe Biden’s help — voted down legislation to reinstate these rules, and later the Obama administration rejected House Democrats’ request that federal officials at least provide guidelines to government agencies about how they can exercise their remaining powers to combat drug price gouging.
The result: We now routinely face immoral situations like last week’s news that pharmaceutical giant Merck is planning to charge Americans $712 for a COVID drug that cost only $17.74 to produce and whose development was subsidized by the American government.
https://www.dailyposter.com/youre-being-gouged-on-medicine-you-already-paid-for/
Moderna posted a revenue of 4.4 billion and an income of 2.8 billion in Q2 of this year.
https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-reports-second-quarter-fiscal-year-2021-financial
Pfizer posted 19 billion in revenue and 5.6 billion in profit in Q2.
https://s21.q4cdn.com/317678438/files/doc_financials/2021/q2/Q2-2021-PFE-Earnings-Release.pdf
jmr07019 wrote:ParticleMan wrote:jmr07019 wrote:Why do we need to magnify terror in beings? What purpose is this serving?
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
How was Fauci proven right on the science? I know ballup says they didn't modify the disease before it was able to infect humans but there are plenty of people who disagree. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me. Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that did an experiment trying to get bat corona virus to infect human receptors. After the experiment a bat corona virus begins infecting humans at the same location as the experiment. You expect me to believe this was a coincidence and it was some other bat corona virus killings everyone? (Since people enjoy responding to my rhetorical questions in this thread I'll just front run it and say there is no way in hell I'm believing that). IF they didn't modify the disease before the jump to human cells it doesn't make it better. It means Fauci didn't lie to congress but did start a global pandemic and with hold critical information.
Considering how well his bat experiment has gone I would hate to see any others go off the rails.
jmr07019 wrote:ParticleMan wrote:jmr07019 wrote:Why do we need to magnify terror in beings? What purpose is this serving?
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
How was Fauci proven right on the science? I know ballup says they didn't modify the disease before it was able to infect humans but there are plenty of people who disagree. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me. Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that did an experiment trying to get bat corona virus to infect human receptors. After the experiment a bat corona virus begins infecting humans at the same location as the experiment. You expect me to believe this was a coincidence and it was some other bat corona virus killings everyone? (Since people enjoy responding to my rhetorical questions in this thread I'll just front run it and say there is no way in hell I'm believing that). IF they didn't modify the disease before the jump to human cells it doesn't make it better. It means Fauci didn't lie to congress but did start a global pandemic and with hold critical information.
Considering how well his bat experiment has gone I would hate to see any others go off the rails.
ballup wrote:ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
I don't know if anyone told you, but the vaccine is free for people to take.
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ballup wrote:jmr07019 wrote:ParticleMan wrote:
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
How was Fauci proven right on the science? I know ballup says they didn't modify the disease before it was able to infect humans but there are plenty of people who disagree. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me. Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that did an experiment trying to get bat corona virus to infect human receptors. After the experiment a bat corona virus begins infecting humans at the same location as the experiment. You expect me to believe this was a coincidence and it was some other bat corona virus killings everyone? (Since people enjoy responding to my rhetorical questions in this thread I'll just front run it and say there is no way in hell I'm believing that). IF they didn't modify the disease before the jump to human cells it doesn't make it better. It means Fauci didn't lie to congress but did start a global pandemic and with hold critical information.
Considering how well his bat experiment has gone I would hate to see any others go off the rails.
How can you disagree? It's literally on the report. That's not up to opinion, it's a record. You can't only pick and choose what to believe, then come out with a scientifically illiterate and incorrect conclusion. If you understand that the virus wasn't previously modified, the experiment isn't gain of function. How EcoHealth got away with not reporting their findings, idk as that is probably on a failed bureaucracy system.
There are many coronaviruses, not just the one that resulted in a pandemic. SARs was caused by a coronavirus. Heck, the common cold can be caused by coronaviruses. Bats have been known to be carriers of multitudes of coronaviruses for years. It's not hard to look up this publicly available information.
You keep on pushing the idea that Fauci started this pandemic when the report indicates the tested viruses were not close to covid-19. It makes little sense for him to do so. That'd be like if local firefighters started fires around the neighborhood. Go by Occam's razor. If it sounds like a dumb idea, it's probably not true
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ddb wrote:[*]ballup wrote:ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
I don't know if anyone told you, but the vaccine is free for people to take.
Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
I don't know if anyone told you...but these big Pharma companies are making BILLIONS off of these vaccines...and politicians are too from both sides of the aisle.
ddb wrote:Spoiler:
just to keep it very high level, many of the so-called initial "conspiracies" about covid, vaccines, who's behind it all, etc are now true... and more conspiracies will eventually in time be proven true as well.
ballup wrote:Spoiler:
That's how the federal budget is allocated. Those are taxes you've already paid. Did you expect private companies within a capitalist country to not want profits for their work?
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The result: We now routinely face immoral situations like last week’s news that pharmaceutical giant Merck is planning to charge Americans $712 for a COVID drug that cost only $17.74 to produce and whose development was subsidized by the American government.
ballup wrote:jmr07019 wrote:ParticleMan wrote:
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
How was Fauci proven right on the science? I know ballup says they didn't modify the disease before it was able to infect humans but there are plenty of people who disagree. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me. Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that did an experiment trying to get bat corona virus to infect human receptors. After the experiment a bat corona virus begins infecting humans at the same location as the experiment. You expect me to believe this was a coincidence and it was some other bat corona virus killings everyone? (Since people enjoy responding to my rhetorical questions in this thread I'll just front run it and say there is no way in hell I'm believing that). IF they didn't modify the disease before the jump to human cells it doesn't make it better. It means Fauci didn't lie to congress but did start a global pandemic and with hold critical information.
Considering how well his bat experiment has gone I would hate to see any others go off the rails.
How can you disagree? It's literally on the report. That's not up to opinion, it's a record. You can't only pick and choose what to believe, then come out with a scientifically illiterate and incorrect conclusion. If you understand that the virus wasn't previously modified, the experiment isn't gain of function. How EcoHealth got away with not reporting their findings, idk as that is probably on a failed bureaucracy system.
There are many coronaviruses, not just the one that resulted in a pandemic. SARs was caused by a coronavirus. Heck, the common cold can be caused by coronaviruses. Bats have been known to be carriers of multitudes of coronaviruses for years. It's not hard to look up this publicly available information.
You keep on pushing the idea that Fauci started this pandemic when the report indicates the tested viruses were not close to covid-19. It makes little sense for him to do so. That'd be like if local firefighters started fires around the neighborhood. Go by Occam's razor. If it sounds like a dumb idea, it's probably not true
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ParticleMan wrote:jmr07019 wrote:ParticleMan wrote:
Wow. The GOP is sooooo stretching to find anything to nail Fauci with. Anything at all. Since Fauci was proven correct about the science, now it's on to attacking him personally over some tenuous connection to animal experimentation in Tunisia to "magnify terror" (yep, that sounds like the unbiased truth, lol). Think of the puppies!!! LMAO.
How was Fauci proven right on the science? I know ballup says they didn't modify the disease before it was able to infect humans but there are plenty of people who disagree. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me. Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that did an experiment trying to get bat corona virus to infect human receptors. After the experiment a bat corona virus begins infecting humans at the same location as the experiment. You expect me to believe this was a coincidence and it was some other bat corona virus killings everyone? (Since people enjoy responding to my rhetorical questions in this thread I'll just front run it and say there is no way in hell I'm believing that). IF they didn't modify the disease before the jump to human cells it doesn't make it better. It means Fauci didn't lie to congress but did start a global pandemic and with hold critical information.
Considering how well his bat experiment has gone I would hate to see any others go off the rails.
yeah, yeah, another big conspiracy. everything with the right wing is just another big conspiracy, another big coverup by some nefarious liberals/elites/scientists who somehow manage to leave no actionable evidence of any of their extensive globe-spanning misdeeds. seriously, how many of these have to end up fizzling out into nothing before people who buy into these things start questioning their sources? i guess that's another one of them rhetorical questions.
the problem is that right wingers are now in too deep, if they didn't have the next deep state conspiracies to latch onto they'd have to acknowledge the reality that the liberals/elites/scientists like Fauci were right all along. like how the virus didn't magically disappear in a couple months like Trump said, while Fauci was trying to tell everyone we need to prepare for the worst. like how Trump+co promoted hydroxychloroquine and bleach(!) and ivermectin while Fauci denounced them, and sure enough they didn't work. like how Trump's sycophants are promoting vaccine hesitancy, and now the hospitalization and death rates are far higher among the (mostly right wing) vaccine refusers. all those times Fauci was right. science was right. the liberals were right. it's tough, i get it, hitching your horse to the wrong wagon. hell i've done that a few times myself. but you know what, nobody cares if you unhitch even now and join the rest of the evidence-based world. we'll still welcome you, and thank you for coming to your senses. just drop these ridiculous conspiracies that you "know" in your dunning-kruger internet-researching head to be true.
ddb wrote:[*]ballup wrote:ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
I don't know if anyone told you, but the vaccine is free for people to take.
Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
I don't know if anyone told you...but these big Pharma companies are making BILLIONS off of these vaccines...and politicians are too from both sides of the aisle..........
just to keep it very high level, many of the so-called initial "conspiracies" about covid, vaccines, who's behind it all, etc are now true... and more conspiracies will eventually in time be proven true as well.
jmr07019 wrote:ballup wrote:Spoiler:
That's how the federal budget is allocated. Those are taxes you've already paid. Did you expect private companies within a capitalist country to not want profits for their work?
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If the taxpayer is paying for the R&D we shouldn't be getting price gauged on the back end. Generally whoever pays for R&D enjoys the fruits of the labor. Not in this case. I will requote from my last post in case this got lost in the shuffle.The result: We now routinely face immoral situations like last week’s news that pharmaceutical giant Merck is planning to charge Americans $712 for a COVID drug that cost only $17.74 to produce and whose development was subsidized by the American government.
I think we should hold our government to a higher standard. If you're interested in a more indepth breakdown check this out.
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Our trust in institutions is vastly different. I don't expect Fauci or the NIH to come clean. I'll leave it at that.
ddb wrote:Follow the money. Next up it’s the children then it’s an annual booster. And you will not be considered fully vaccinated without these boosters. Have fun everyone. I’ll remain unvaccinated.
