Andrew Wiggins - Odd Man Out?

[FNQ]

Man, next year is the year to go for a title. There should be zero discussion of trading Wiggins this season or next.

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

[Outside]

Man, next year is the year to go for a title. There should be zero discussion of trading Wiggins this season or next.

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

[clyde21]

Man, next year is the year to go for a title. There should be zero discussion of trading Wiggins this season or next.

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

unless we getting a top10 player back no thanks. Wiggy on an expiring is an asset on its own, let alone sending off Moody/Minga with him.

[lars_rosenberg]

The problem with re-signing Wiggins is that it makes harder to retain Jordan Poole who is likely to get a big payday if he keeps improving.
I think that if Moody shows steady improvement in the next two seasons, Wiggins will be let go. He'll get more money than the Warriors will be able to afford.

[FNQ]

Man, next year is the year to go for a title. There should be zero discussion of trading Wiggins this season or next.

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

You dont trade him for someone who's not a SF, most likely. Moody probably the best option on the roster, definitely not Klay/Kuminga/JTA. So there's a slim chance that you can get away with it and not take a SF back, but it would take a great belief in Moody, or seeing him prove he deserves it by year's end

But yeah, that list up there (the 1st one, not the 2nd one at all save MPJ, Ingram, OG, and Bridges) are who you look for. And sure, they wont be available, like PG13 wasnt available before, like Harden wasn't, like every star player isn't available. Until they are

[Onus]

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

You dont trade him for someone who's not a SF, most likely. Moody probably the best option on the roster, definitely not Klay/Kuminga/JTA. So there's a slim chance that you can get away with it and not take a SF back, but it would take a great belief in Moody, or seeing him prove he deserves it by year's end

But yeah, that list up there (the 1st one, not the 2nd one at all save MPJ, Ingram, OG, and Bridges) are who you look for. And sure, they wont be available, like PG13 wasnt available before, like Harden wasn't, like every star player isn't available. Until they are

I’d probably add Ant to that list who I would trade Wiggins for. I think he’s got superstar written all over him

[Twinkie defense]

I don't think expiring contracts have the value they used to.

[Scoots1994]

Oubre, just got 2/24. People expecting wiggins to get less?

Yeah, I was wondering about that ... 10/15 a year for Wiggins would be a steal.

[SpreeS]

I would pay him 4y/80ml w/o thinking.

1. TOP5 wing defender in NBA
2. Durable
3. 3rd scoring option on avg TS

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203952/head-to-head/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=SECONDS&dir=1

[Hoopstar23]

I don't think expiring contracts have the value they used to.

they still do and if we restructure Wiggins contract for a smaller 2 year extension after the current contract expires we can trade that contract when the 2025 offseason comes around.... the cap will rise again and teams will want good players on expiring contracts... teams that wont be in consideration to obtain high level FAs which should be in a abundance during 2025 offseason

[Impuniti]

I would pay him 4y/80ml w/o thinking.

1. TOP5 wing defender in NBA
2. Durable
3. 3rd scoring option on avg TS

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203952/head-to-head/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=SECONDS&dir=1

I legit find it insulting that someone had the audacity to want to trade him for that fraud Barnes. As much as everyone wants him gone, I have yet to see a single situation where whatever comes from the other side makes the Warriors better on here.

[sonnyhill]

Man, next year is the year to go for a title. There should be zero discussion of trading Wiggins this season or next.

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

Good post, Outside.

Where does Kawaii fit on your list?

[Scoots1994]

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

Good post, Outside.

Where does Kawaii fit on your list?

In the training room.

[Outside]

He’s about a 30m expiring and we have 3-4 young players who will be paired with him in offers for star players.. the entire offseason is gonna be Wiggins trade ideas

Oof. I get the expiring contract thing, but there are very, very few players I can think of that would be an upgrade in terms of elevating their title chances. Championships are so rare, and I'd rather be all in on one shot for next season.

These are the guys who are better than Wiggins at SF:

Durant
LeBron
Paul George
Khris Middleton
Jayson Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown

None of them will be available.

Here's the next tier:

Michael Porter Jr.
Tobias Harris
Brandon Ingram
Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
Anthony Edwards
Gordon Hayward
Harrison Barnes
Jerami Grant

Most of those guys aren't available and/or aren't an upgrade.

If you trade for someone who isn't a SF, who plays SF? Klay and Kuminga? JTA?

If I drink enough Kool-aid, I can convince myself that they have a chance this season, but I'm betting the house on next season. Steph turns 35 during next season, Klay and Draymond turn 33. Wiggins fits. He knows the system. Next season is the best shot. They can't throw it away on some fantasy bball move.

Good post, Outside.

Where does Kawaii fit on your list?

Forgot about Kawhi since he's out this season. He's obviously better than Wiggins when he's available, but he has not been durable, to say the least. In ten seasons prior to this one, Kawhi has missed 217 games, while in eight seasons prior to this one, Wiggins has missed only 22 games. And that disparity is only going to get worse this season, with Kawhi's missed games likely to approach 300.

Would I trust Kawhi to be better than Wiggins next season considering Kawhi will be coming off ACL surgery, playing himself back into form, and will likely miss lots of games for load management? It's a tough call. The playoffs will be what counts, and Kawhi should be okay by then, but that's definitely rolling the dice.

And that's not even getting into the fact that Kawhi will make $42.5 million next season compared to Wiggins at $33.5, so you'd have to throw in $9 million in other players to make the deal work. That's Wiseman or Kuminga plus Moody or Poole. Plus draft picks more than likely. I don't know if I do that deal.

How much longer does Kawhi have in his career? He's a guy who I could see walking away when his current contract is done. He turned that title in Toronto into a helluva deal with the Clips, but so far, it hasn't paid off from the Clippers point of view.

[GSWFan1994]

The problem with re-signing Wiggins is that it makes harder to retain Jordan Poole who is likely to get a big payday if he keeps improving.
I think that if Moody shows steady improvement in the next two seasons, Wiggins will be let go. He'll get more money than the Warriors will be able to afford.

I agree with you, Lars.

I believe this season and next will be used as a gauge to check the "young 4" development.

Depending on where they stand, Wiggins will be let go and Poole will be resigned.

Our tax bill will be astronomical with, let's say, Wiggins resigning for 20+/year, plus Poole in this range as well.

[Twinkie defense]

I think Wiggins stays on the roster unless the Warriors trade for a maximum-salary player, in which Wiggins contract goes in to match salaries - along with a little extra something from the Warriors because aside from salary matching purposes, Wiggins actually detracts from what the Warriors are offering... teams would rather have our picks and young players straight up, and not have to add Wiggins salary.

Basically I think the cost to move Wiggins salary - expiring or not - is a late first round pick.

So not worth it unless you are doing a blockbuster trade that will fundamentally alter the trajectory of the team.

[wco81]

I would pay him 4y/80ml w/o thinking.

1. TOP5 wing defender in NBA
2. Durable
3. 3rd scoring option on avg TS

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203952/head-to-head/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=SECONDS&dir=1

That's about what average to slightly above average starters get in the NBA.

You want a 2-way starter who scores 15-20 PPG and can give you 30-35 minutes? You have to pay that much.

Plus if the NBA gets the TV contract they're pursuing, which triples the TV money they're getting now, the cap goes way up and the average salaries of starters go way up.

So if the Warriors can't move Wiggins before his contract is up, do they resign him for money that starters typically command?

Under the current TV deal, we are talking about $20 million a year. Under the new TV deal, which would start in 2025, you could be talking about average starters getting at least $30 million a year. Super Max deals of $60 million a year will not be uncommon.

[ILOVEIT]

Wiggins is becoming Draymondesk' in the way he makes defensive players and distributes the ball and no one notices....

In the OKC he was the guy that started driving and creating GREAT baseline open threes....

We are lucky to have in on the team. I hope he ends up being the fourth best scorer on the team behind Curry, Klay, Poole....but he's definitely tied with Draymond as the most important defender thus far.

[parsnips33]

I kinda think Wiggins is a bit of the anti-Steph defensively. Steph used to look especially bad on defense because he was out there next to Klay and Iguodala. I think Wiggins looks especially good (not to say he's not good, just saying he looks better than he is) because he's out there next to Poole and Steph

[Impuniti]

I kinda think Wiggins is a bit of the anti-Steph defensively. Steph used to look especially bad on defense because he was out there next to Klay and Iguodala. I think Wiggins looks especially good (not to say he's not good, just saying he looks better than he is) because he's out there next to Poole and Steph

Well.. he was legitimatey one of the best perimeter defenders in the entire league last season. It wasn't because of who he was around, but his statistics backed it. Players shoot poorly when defended by him, including many superstars and all stars.