Nets v. Heat | 10.27.2021 @ 7:30 PM on YES

[ecuhus1981]

This will be another tough game. I like the starting lineup that P listed, we need Blake at the 5 and Bruce has looked much better than Nic or anyone else with the 1st unit.

I actually like how we match up with them. Brown on Lowry, Harris on Robinson, Harden on Butler, Durant on Tucker (+roaming weak side rim protector) and Griffin on Adebayo. The problems will come when they screen, move the ball and get us sliding our feet. Joe is gonna have to fight for his life through screens, we simply cannot afford for him to switch onto Kyle or Jimmy.

I'll be interested to see how they guard James. I would imagine they start with Tucker on him; Erik doesn't typically show his hand and lead with his best perimeter defender from tipoff. Best believe, if Harden gets cooking, he'll see Jimmy in his jersey the rest of the night. Fully fit James would still excel against elite defense, but this compromised version is lunchmeat for lockdown D. Ultimately, I fear that the hamstring and ****whatever TF is happening with his left hand**** will lead to a TON of Butler steals and easy transition points.

PREDICTION: NETS 86, HEAT 112

[DarkXaero]

Hopefully the game where Harden & Joe Harris finally get going. A lot of Heat overrating in here though.

[3pt_chucker]

The Heat are such a well coached team regardless of talent. If the Nets don't come out with the right mentality, this could easily be a 10pt+ loss.

The Heat were a worse team last year, struggled with injuries/continuity and still played the Nets very close in every game, mainly because they will always have the coaching edge as Spoelstra is light years ahead of Nash.

Going to need a big performance from Harden and all the role players. (KD is automatic and clearly on the road to an MVP type season). Nets should win based off talent but they have to play with the right mentality/energy.

[Prokorov]

The heat are a better team then the Kyrie-less version on the Nets, and in my opinion are the best team in the NBA (san Kyrie). They are outstnading on both ends. Lowry/Butler/Adabayo are all-stars on BOTH sides of the ball. Tucker we know is legit and robinson/Herro are as good/better then Harris/Mills

going to take enormous games from everyone who plays, including a monster night by Harden to win this one.

They have an enormous coaching advantage too.

This is a great measuring stick

You are massively overrating the Heat. They don't even have a top 10 player on their roster. Lowry couldn't even get the Raptors to .500 last year.

They are not even close to the level of the Nets/Bucks/Lakers. I'm not even sure they are better than the Hawks.

They could win this game. But I'll take KD/Harden over them in a playoff series easily.

Butler is top 15.
Lowry is top 25
Bam is DPOTY candidate

and the sum of their parts is greater, since they are all 2 way guys with great fit. that heat team without lowry went to the NBA finals. Raps missed the playoffs due to injury, they were outstanding the last month+ once they got healthy

[Prokorov]

This will be another tough game. I like the starting lineup that P listed, we need Blake at the 5 and Bruce has looked much better than Nic or anyone else with the 1st unit.

I actually like how we match up with them. Brown on Lowry, Harris on Robinson, Harden on Butler, Durant on Tucker (+roaming weak side rim protector) and Griffin on Adebayo. The problems will come when they screen, move the ball and get us sliding our feet. Joe is gonna have to fight for his life through screens, we simply cannot afford for him to switch onto Kyle or Jimmy.

I'll be interested to see how they guard James. I would imagine they start with Tucker on him; Erik doesn't typically show his hand and lead with his best perimeter defender from tipoff. Best believe, if Harden gets cooking, he'll see Jimmy in his jersey the rest of the night. Fully fit James would still excel against elite defense, but this compromised version is lunchmeat for lockdown D. Ultimately, I fear that the hamstring and ****whatever TF is happening with his left hand**** will lead to a TON of Butler steals and easy transition points.

PREDICTION: NETS 86, HEAT 112

id think lowry on harden and PJ on KD. both those guys had success defending them in the past.

[haosmoove]

I think we definitely need to make a trade for a PG. We only have one legit ball handler/shot creator.

I mean, it would be nice if Kyrie would act like an adult and get vaccinated like the rest of his teammates, but here we are.

It's still early, and Nash is trying out things. On paper, we should be fine with playmaking abilities from our bigs. (KD Griffin BBJr even Claxton) Mills can be the ball distributor if he's asked to, he's not a Lou Williams or Nick young.

One problem if we do go out and get a traditional smallish PG is it makes it hard to play Mills or Carter at the 2 due to size. It makes more sense that our forwards/bigs share some ball handling responsibilities when Harden is off the floor.

On paper?

Sorry I don't share your confidence or want to test that hemi Harden spoke about. KD logging 37m is not something to be exited either. Ok playmaker fixes a lot of issues.

Griffin and BBJr (and Claxton on a lower level) have shown in the past that they can run an offense on a part time basis. I don't see that part of their game suddenly gone. They aren't being utilized in that role because Nash doesn't think we needed more playmaking. I don't know if Marks shares the same sentiment. If so, my guess is we don't actively go out and seek for another PG.

If we trade for a PG, how do you suggest we run our guard rotation? Do we just play Mills less when the new PG is on the floor? and cut out Carter from the rotation altogether? Otherwise we are stuck in a matchup where one of the two guards will be undersized.

[3pt_chucker]

The Heat are such a well coached team regardless of talent. If the Nets don't come out with the right mentality, this could easily be a 10pt+ loss.

The Heat were a worse team last year, struggled with injuries/continuity and still played the Nets very close in every game, mainly because they will always have the coaching edge as Spoelstra is light years ahead of Nash.

Going to need a big performance from Harden and all the role players. (KD is automatic and clearly on the road to an MVP type season). Nets should win based off talent but they have to play with the right mentality/energy.

[GTR11]

It's still early, and Nash is trying out things. On paper, we should be fine with playmaking abilities from our bigs. (KD Griffin BBJr even Claxton) Mills can be the ball distributor if he's asked to, he's not a Lou Williams or Nick young.

One problem if we do go out and get a traditional smallish PG is it makes it hard to play Mills or Carter at the 2 due to size. It makes more sense that our forwards/bigs share some ball handling responsibilities when Harden is off the floor.

On paper?

Sorry I don't share your confidence or want to test that hemi Harden spoke about. KD logging 37m is not something to be exited either. Ok playmaker fixes a lot of issues.

Griffin and BBJr (and Claxton on a lower level) have shown in the past that they can run an offense on a part time basis. I don't see that part of their game suddenly gone. They aren't being utilized in that role because Nash doesn't think we needed more playmaking. I don't know if Marks shares the same sentiment. If so, my guess is we don't actively go out and seek for another PG.

If we trade for a PG, how do you suggest we run our guard rotation? Do we just play Mills less when the new PG is on the floor? and cut out Carter from the rotation altogether? Otherwise we are stuck in a matchup where one of the two guards will be undersized.

I don't think you get the point I'm talking about.
1- we short in G position. I really doubt Marks and Nash planned to play Carter at all this year unless necessary.
2- Patty is good role player that can ball. He ain't playmaker, never was/is. He played in system that was orchestrated by one of a kind coach.
3- Asking our role players do extra, on consistent basis, and something they not very fluid with, yeah I don't share your enthusiasm. Someone like Dragic or Rondo who specialize on being good pg can make or break this season. As mentioned before, I really don't like the fact Harden and KD logging 37+ a game.

[haosmoove]

1- we short in G position. I really doubt Marks and Nash planned to play Carter at all this year unless necessary.
2- Patty is good role player that can ball. He ain't playmaker, never was/is. He played in system that was orchestrated by one of a kind coach.
3- Asking our role players do extra, on consistent basis, and something they not very fluid with, yeah I don't share your enthusiasm. Someone like Dragic or Rondo who specialize on being good pg can make or break this season. As mentioned before, I really don't like the fact Harden and KD logging 37+ a game.

I agree that we are short on guards if you look 15 deep, but we can always sign an emergency guard at the end of the bench like Mike James last season. In terms of rotation, we have Harden/Harris/Mills ideally logging 85 out of 96 (32/28/25)

Dragic is not much of a passing pg, at least not more than what Patty is. Mills is more than a capable playmaker, although his best attribute is microwave scorer so he's rarely asked to be in that role unless absolutely necessary.

Rondo has not been a positive impact player since he wore a Celtics uniform. You can say his ex-allstar play was also a product of the system. (with 3 HOF) We don't need someone who is only good at bringing the ball up and making that initial pass but is a liability everywhere else. Besides, given Nash's system, playing Rondo means Bruce Brown and Claxton will also not see the floor, which is a big no go for me.

The PGs that match your descriptions are TJ McConell, Monte Morris, Tyus Jones. But their salary means we can't afford them.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Is this year 2010 ? Did lebron just form super team with Wade and Bosh ?

Is our starting 5 is Dwill/Brolo/Morrow/Devin Harris and **** Travis Outlaw ?

If there is all this talk about Miami being so superior, why talk about championship aspirations?

Oh wait its 2021 , Bosh and Wade retired Bron on his last legs in LaLand , we got KD and Harden , supposed super team , yet 90% posters saying , yeah we stand no chance LOL

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, I respect the hell out of the Heat and I think they are a top 5 team this season. But to act like we're a pack of scrubs who should be cowering in fear of them is a bit much. We have KEVIN F*CKING DURANT!!!!!!! No one on that team is checking him. NONE.

That being said, give me Harden/Brown/Harris/KD/Blake w/ Mills, Bembry, Claxton, and Milsap tonight. Sic the dogs on em

[Suwanee]

If Nets get this, confidence will sky rocket. While I want the Nets to win, I am not counting on it with Miami having the momentum it has. But if they do win, it is certainly a confidence booster and Harden has to start hitting his shots and regain his confidence. We need Houston Harden back.

Houston Harden always had slow start pretty much every season too. This year he was recovering from the hammy injury during the offseason, some new teammates to get accustomed to, and the rule change he has to get used to. All things considered, I'd say his performance so far is fully expected. If by December he's still playing subpar, then I'd be worried.

[GTR11]

I agree that we are short on guards if you look 15 deep, but we can always sign an emergency guard at the end of the bench like Mike James last season. In terms of rotation, we have Harden/Harris/Mills ideally logging 85 out of 96 (32/28/25)

Dragic is not much of a passing pg, at least not more than what Patty is. Mills is more than a capable playmaker, although his best attribute is microwave scorer so he's rarely asked to be in that role unless absolutely necessary.

Rondo has not been a positive impact player since he wore a Celtics uniform. You can say his ex-allstar play was also a product of the system. (with 3 HOF) We don't need someone who is only good at bringing the ball up and making that initial pass but is a liability everywhere else. Besides, given Nash's system, playing Rondo means Bruce Brown and Claxton will also not see the floor, which is a big no go for me.

The PGs that match your descriptions are TJ McConell, Monte Morris, Tyus Jones. But their salary means we can't afford them.

I don't share your view. Patty can start along with Harden, whatever pg can play with Blake/LMA etc vs bench guys. I think Nash is malleable as it gets right with rotations, he pretty much said it.

My main concern that you still think is ok right now is, minutes Harden and KD play. I'm concerned to say least.

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[MGrand15]

Claxton out with an illness again. 2nd time in the last few weeks. And he's been battling conditioning issues. Is this guy OK? Not super common in the NBA to miss multiple games for sickness.

[ecuhus1981]

Claxton out with an illness again. 2nd time in the last few weeks. And he's been battling conditioning issues. Is this guy OK? Not super common in the NBA to miss multiple games for sickness.

Yes, this is weird. He exerts so much energy not only in dunking, but in the celebration AFTER dunking, that you think he would have enough in the tank for 30mpg every night.

I hope for Nic's sake that he gets well soon. It's difficult to get healthy while playing every game (*cough*James*cough*), so hopefully the team is resting him in order to give him a chance to recover.

Honestly, for tonight, he might be addition by subtraction. Against non-contending teams, Claxton's athleticism and size can be devastating. But smart contenders can neutralize him, or even worse, turn him into a net negative (no pun intended). Miami are in the latter group, so Nic's absence is one fewer area for them to exploit.

[DarkXaero]

Not a bad start, need to take care of transition defense though (once again). Every team looking to exploit our transition defense this season.

[dcstanley]

Refs are just refusing to call anything for Harden at this point.

[3pt_chucker]

Ok, I know we always complain about refs but the reffing in this game is so anti-Nets it's starting to feel like an agenda. The amount of one sided missed calls is egregious.

[DarkXaero]

This officiating is **** ridiculous.