Game Thread, G4: Hawks at Pelicans, 10/27/2021

Bogi and Huerter are out of sync, I'll chalk it up to their offseason procedures knee and ankle respectively.
Capela looks a little sluggish - the achilles injury and missing the preseason might be the culprit.
We go as JC goes, being in foul jail is problematic, it mucks up the starting unit, also seems like Bogi is deferring to Hunter.
Trae is Trae and he will never get another foul call. But he's developing a nice midrange shot to counter.

jayu70 · Post #7 » by **jayu70** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:26 am

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jayu70 · Post #8 » by **jayu70** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:32 am

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shakes0 · Post #10 » by **shakes0** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:49 pm

someone other than Trae needs to hit a F-ing shot on the road. I was gonna suggest benching Bogi for Huerter, but they both suck right now.

One thing I am absolutely sick of seeing is when one of our players catches a pass and is wide open for 3, but doesn't shoot. No, instead they square up and pump fake and wait for the defender to close out. And then they pump fake again and then they settle for a contested 3. WTF is that nonsense and why do we have guys who do that multiple times per game. SHoot the F-ing ball when you are wide open and don't F-ing hesitake. And if you are going to play like an idiot and pass up that open shot then DRIVE the ball to the basket when the defender closes the gap, stop F-ing settling for hotly contested 3s. I'm talking to you Bog, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter.

kg01 · Post #11 » by **kg01** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:20 pm

shakes0 wrote:someone other than Trae needs to hit a F-ing shot on the road. I was gonna suggest benching Bogi for Huerter, but they both suck right now.

One thing I am absolutely sick of seeing is when one of our players catches a pass and is wide open for 3, but doesn't shoot. No, instead they square up and pump fake and wait for the defender to close out. And then they pump fake again and then they settle for a contested 3. WTF is that nonsense and why do we have guys who do that multiple times per game. SHoot the F-ing ball when you are wide open and don't F-ing hesitake. And if you are going to play like an idiot and pass up that open shot then DRIVE the ball to the basket when the defender closes the gap, stop F-ing settling for hotly contested 3s. I'm talking to you Bog, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter.

I can't disagree with any of this, honestly. Kevin/Bogd are both on the struggle copter. Seem to be over-thinking.

Apparently the league has decided, every foul they don't give to Trae will now be pinned on John Collins on the other end. It's ridiculous. Folks think Hawks fan will be outraged about Trae not getting calls. No, it's Collins that's drawing ire for me.

So everybody in the league gets to play with "force" and be physical, but when Collins winks at dudes it's a foul? Is he somehow exempt from the "new" rules?

Lastly, I know I'm not the only one that saw ThIngram get put in D-bloc on that last possession. Hunter is the man on D.

shakes0 · Post #12 » by **shakes0** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:42 pm

this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

kg01 · Post #13 » by **kg01** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:58 pm

shakes0 wrote:this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

shakes0 · Post #14 » by **shakes0** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:19 pm

kg01 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

you talking about Justin Terminy? I don't love him, but I do appreciate his anti-Lebron takes and I agree player empowerment is a bad thing.

The absolute worst person on NBA radio and the person I would rather throw myself off a cliff than listen to his Antonio Daniels. I can't f-ing stand him. he is the biggest player apologist condescending know it all **** I've ever heard. And his whiny voice sucks. I end up switching to country music anytime he is on the radio. His show with Cam is brutal.

kg01 · Post #15 » by **kg01** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:27 pm

shakes0 wrote:
kg01 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

you talking about Justin Terminy? I don't love him, but I do appreciate his anti-Lebron takes and I agree hate player empowerment is a bad thing.

The absolute worst person on NBA radio and the person I would rather throw myself off a cliff than listen to his Antonio Daniels. I can't f-ing stand him. he is the biggest player apologist condescending know it all **** I've ever heard. And his whiny voice sucks. I end up switching to country music anytime he is on the radio. His show with Cam is brutal.

Yeah, I was purposely not naming him. I've decided to never name anyone who doesn't deserve my attention.

I hear what you're saying about Daniels although I don't hate him as much as you. He's definitely whiny and condescending but he has his moments.

I can't listen to the afternoon show. Even the anti-Lebron stuff is manufactured. Guy is just tryna make a name for himself by hating Lebron. He comes across extremely jealous, not genuine but that's just what my ears here.

shakes0 · Post #16 » by **shakes0** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:12 pm

kg01 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
kg01 wrote:
It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

you talking about Justin Terminy? I don't love him, but I do appreciate his anti-Lebron takes and I agree hate player empowerment is a bad thing.

The absolute worst person on NBA radio and the person I would rather throw myself off a cliff than listen to his Antonio Daniels. I can't f-ing stand him. he is the biggest player apologist condescending know it all **** I've ever heard. And his whiny voice sucks. I end up switching to country music anytime he is on the radio. His show with Cam is brutal.

Yeah, I was purposely not naming him. I've decided to never name anyone who doesn't deserve my attention.

I hear what you're saying about Daniels although I don't hate him as much as you. He's definitely whiny and condescending but he has his moments.

I can't listen to the afternoon show. Even the anti-Lebron stuff is manufactured. Guy is just tryna make a name for himself by hating Lebron. He comes across extremely jealous, not genuine but that's just what my ears here.

I could listen to Frank and Scally all day long. They're fantastic.

D21 · Post #17 » by **D21** » Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:26 am

kg01 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

Refs should only keep the logic of the sport.
A defender has to stay in his own cylinder, if he's going to the opponent, it's a foul. He can jump if he wants, as long as it's in his own cylinder, it's OK. And on this case, I appreciate to see big guys being able to do that in the paint and not getting called for a foul, something refs were not doing these last years. When you were in the restricted area, some refs would call an automatic foul, while it was just that there can't get a charge in this area (action continues), not an automatic foul.
Now, if the defender stays in his own cylinder, the offensive player shooting doesn't have to land on him. Some were searching too much for these contacts these last years, but once they will see that refs are not giving foul for that, they will stop to try that. If you're the one reducing the distance, you don't have to get a FTs.

Now, if you're moving, on penetration, just look at who's closing in on the other. That's all.
What I don't like is that refs are extremist. When a rule is adjusted, they go on the extreme side of the rule. When it's adjusted again, they go the extreme opposite side. While they just have to follow the logic of the game.
Nobody wants a game where it's too much easy to get to the FT line, nor a game without any fouls, they just have to be fair between offense and defense.

kg01 · Post #18 » by **kg01** » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:25 am

D21 wrote:
kg01 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:this reffing has to correct itself right? Trae is getting mugged out there and refs are too afraid to call anything right now. We're heading back to bad boys era and soon we will start seeing people get hurt from over aggressive defense. I expect a lot of turned ankles from shooters landing on defenders who are closing out with no fear of getting a whistle.

It's funny. I do like that the games are moving quicker. But I feel like folks are waaaay too giddy about the physical play.

There are many reasons the late 90's-2000's are considered a terrible era of basketball. Why would we want to go back to that? Freaking 70-80 point games. Shooting percentages plummeting. They're making it easier to play bad defense. How is that a good thing?

I agree they needed to reel things in a bit but what we're seeing right now isn't sustainable. Honestly, it reeks of revenge being taken out on players who are now a little too .... not sure how to put it ... 'aware' of themselves.

There's an alarmingly high number of fans who think players need to be 'put in their place'. Maybe I'm going a little too far, but I feel like the foul stuff is just the beginning of chairmen "taking back control" over the league/players.

If you think I'm wrong, listen to the afternoon show on NBARadio. Host constantly deriding the 'player empowerment' stuff. Opining for the "good ol' days" when players couldn't say/do anything. Hates Lebron and Klutch. I can't listen to it. Not that I'm a huge Lebron fan, but the guy goes overboard with it.

Refs should only keep the logic of the sport.
A defender has to stay in his own cylinder, if he's going to the opponent, it's a foul. He can jump if he wants, as long as it's in his own cylinder, it's OK. And on this case, I appreciate to see big guys being able to do that in the paint and not getting called for a foul, something refs were not doing these last years. When you were in the restricted area, some refs would call an automatic foul, while it was just that there can't get a charge in this area (action continues), not an automatic foul.
Now, if the defender stays in his own cylinder, the offensive player shooting doesn't have to land on him. Some were searching too much for these contacts these last years, but once they will see that refs are not giving foul for that, they will stop to try that. If you're the one reducing the distance, you don't have to get a FTs.

Now, if you're moving, on penetration, just look at who's closing in on the other. That's all.
What I don't like is that refs are extremist. When a rule is adjusted, they go on the extreme side of the rule. When it's adjusted again, they go the extreme opposite side. While they just have to follow the logic of the game.
Nobody wants a game where it's too much easy to get to the FT line, nor a game without any fouls, they just have to be fair between offense and defense.

This is all fair.

Sadly, none of this logic is actually happening.