Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Neeva]

I am starting to think Prince needs to go. Through 4 games I cannot quite find a reason for him to be on the floor. His shooting is streaky at best, his defense is overrated, and his rebounding is more myth than fact. Someone somewhere must want a 13mil expiring, maybe they even through us a backup big, but Prince needs to go.

That ricky trade is looking pretty Awful.

[winforlose]

I am starting to think Prince needs to go. Through 4 games I cannot quite find a reason for him to be on the floor. His shooting is streaky at best, his defense is overrated, and his rebounding is more myth than fact. Someone somewhere must want a 13mil expiring, maybe they even through us a backup big, but Prince needs to go.

That ricky trade is looking pretty Awful.

Again, I disagree. Beverly is a big upgrade over Ricky and I truly believe he had a hand in getting our guys to play intense D. The other benefits of the trade are also still important as the 2nd and the exemption will come in handy. The bigger issue is that Prince is the wrong fit for this team. We need size. We need to be able to consistently rebound on defense and we need a rim protector who can guard the big strong centers in the league. That is not and will never be Prince.

[Neeva]

players that are barely playing for their teams that maybe the wolves could use? Tillman? Bagley? Bitadze? Nesmith?

Beasley for Nesmith and Pritchard?
Nowell for Tillman?
Prince for Bagley?
Reid for Bitadze/2nd

I’d like Bolmaro to get more minutes and to solidify the front court.

[Neeva]

I am starting to think Prince needs to go. Through 4 games I cannot quite find a reason for him to be on the floor. His shooting is streaky at best, his defense is overrated, and his rebounding is more myth than fact. Someone somewhere must want a 13mil expiring, maybe they even through us a backup big, but Prince needs to go.

That ricky trade is looking pretty Awful.

Again, I disagree. Beverly is a big upgrade over Ricky and I truly believe he had a hand in getting our guys to play intense D. The other benefits of the trade are also still important as the 2nd and the exemption will come in handy. The bigger issue is that Prince is the wrong fit for this team. We need size. We need to be able to consistently rebound on defense and we need a rim protector who can guard the big strong centers in the league. That is not and will never be Prince.

Beverly was not part of that trade though. IMO Rosas should have tried to get Nance instead of Prince in that trade.

[winforlose]

players that are barely playing for their teams that maybe the wolves could use? Tillman? Bagley? Bitadze? Nesmith?

Beasley for Nesmith and Pritchard?
Nowell for Tillman?
Prince for Bagley?
Reid for Bitadze/2nd

I’d like Bolmaro to get more minutes and to solidify the front court.

Reid is off the table as we need him to play backup C. I still think Paul Reed is an attainable target with instant upside. The dude is like a bigger stronger Vando with less hustle and maybe less D (still an open question,) but with more scoring potential.

[Neeva]

players that are barely playing for their teams that maybe the wolves could use? Tillman? Bagley? Bitadze? Nesmith?

Beasley for Nesmith and Pritchard?
Nowell for Tillman?
Prince for Bagley?
Reid for Bitadze/2nd

I’d like Bolmaro to get more minutes and to solidify the front court.

Reid is off the table as we need him to play backup C. I still think Paul Reed is an attainable target with instant upside. The dude is like a bigger stronger Vando with less hustle and maybe less D (still an open question,) but with more scoring potential.

I forgot about Reed but rather not deal with Morey and 76ers. I like Naz but his defense is so bad.

[Dalvin]

Wish they haven't traded Rubio. We could've had a competent Floor setter with the starters and the PG defense will not drop if Rubio is subbed for PatBev.

[winforlose]

players that are barely playing for their teams that maybe the wolves could use? Tillman? Bagley? Bitadze? Nesmith?

Beasley for Nesmith and Pritchard?
Nowell for Tillman?
Prince for Bagley?
Reid for Bitadze/2nd

I’d like Bolmaro to get more minutes and to solidify the front court.

Reid is off the table as we need him to play backup C. I still think Paul Reed is an attainable target with instant upside. The dude is like a bigger stronger Vando with less hustle and maybe less D (still an open question,) but with more scoring potential.

I forgot about Reed but rather not deal with Morey and 76ers. I like Naz but his defense is so bad.

Naz isn’t the problem per se, his position is. I think Naz could do quite well guarding PFs, he just isn’t an NBA center. Go get him a legit big to play beside and watch him improve. Also remember that Naz has all the tools of NBA PF. He has an outside shot, a decent handle for a big, and great at the rim skills. I don’t know if you have ever had to guard someone four inches taller than you with the muscle and reach that the situation usually entails. I have, and I can tell you, without help, meaningful defense is very hard, especially if the other team actively exploits that advantage. There is no reasonable way you can expect Naz to guard a JV or Embiid, or Joker, you just cannot.

[_AIJ_]

rubio talks again. Yay.

[winforlose]

So I was on hoopshype and I was checking on the nuggets in advance of Saturday’s game. I don’t follow the nuggets at all and before looking at this I had no idea, but it seems Bol Bol is not in the rotation at all. Now, I have no idea how good Bol Bol actually is. His numbers are not impressive, and Denver clearly doesn’t want to give him run. That said, he is 7’2 and may well be a risk worth taking for a low enough price (I am thinking Layman and our 2nd.) Do any of you guys watch Denver? Is Bol Bol worth it?

[FinnTheHuman]

So I was on hoopshype and I was checking on the nuggets in advance of Saturday’s game. I don’t follow the nuggets at all and before looking at this I had no idea, but it seems Bol Bol is not in the rotation at all. Now, I have no idea how good Bol Bol actually is. His numbers are not impressive, and Denver clearly doesn’t want to give him run. That said, he is 7’2 and may well be a risk worth taking for a low enough price (I am thinking Layman and our 2nd.) Do any of you guys watch Denver? Is Bol Bol worth it?

Denver is my 2nd favorite team so I can say with confidence that Bol Bol is out of the league when his contract with Denver ends at the end of the season. Perhaps somebody gives him an opportunity on a two-way or smth, but he's a combination of incredibly slow feet and a complete lack of understanding where to be defensively. He single-handedly destroys your defense. I'm 99% sure it isn't fixable. I think no GM wants to trade anything for him, pretty sure that's why Denver hasn't traded him away yet.

[Krapinsky]

Thus far our 'catch and shoot' guys are all struggling to find shots in the offense. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, and to a lesser extent Naz, should all be getting more catch and shoot looks in the rhythm of the offense. It's up to our big 3 to find those guys when they are open and make the extra pass.

I think we probably don't need Beasley and Prince and one of those guys should be moved for a player with a different skillset. The team could use rebounding (Boucher? Green?) or someone with better floor vision/passing to help anchor the bench unit (Kyle Anderson?).

[Neeva]

Thus far our 'catch and shoot

' guys are all struggling to find shots in the offense. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, and to a lesser extent Naz, should all be getting more catch and shoot looks in the rhythm of the offense. It's up to our big 3 to find those guys when they are open and make the extra pass.

I think we probably don't need Beasley and Prince and one of those guys should be moved for a player with a different skillset. The team could use rebounding (Boucher? Green?) or someone with better floor vision/passing to help anchor the bench unit (Kyle Anderson?).

The Wizards have too many power forward types and they won’t be able to play them all (Kuzma, Harrell, Avdija, Bertans, Hachimura) I wouldn’t want Bertans’ contract though (unless it comes with a wizards frp). Most people hate Kuzma but he is rebounding well this season.

[Battletrigger]

Thus far our 'catch and shoot' guys are all struggling to find shots in the offense. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, and to a lesser extent Naz, should all be getting more catch and shoot looks in the rhythm of the offense. It's up to our big 3 to find those guys when they are open and make the extra pass.

I think we probably don't need Beasley and Prince and one of those guys should be moved for a player with a different skillset. The team could use rebounding (Boucher? Green?) or someone with better floor vision/passing to help anchor the bench unit (Kyle Anderson?).

In last game we could see some contested shots with players open. I agree that the problem isn't those guys, the problem is the big three, specially Russell.

[moss_is_1]

Thus far our 'catch and shoot' guys are all struggling to find shots in the offense. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, and to a lesser extent Naz, should all be getting more catch and shoot looks in the rhythm of the offense. It's up to our big 3 to find those guys when they are open and make the extra pass.

I think we probably don't need Beasley and Prince and one of those guys should be moved for a player with a different skillset. The team could use rebounding (Boucher? Green?) or someone with better floor vision/passing to help anchor the bench unit (Kyle Anderson?).

I'd be interested in Boucher if it comes fairly cheap, he would probably be a rental.

[jpatrick]

I’ve watched a couple of Magic games and it’s shocking the improvement by Mo Bamba considering he looked pretty scrub-like previously. He’s not the most physical guy but with his length, mobility, and shot, he definitely has some Myles Turner to his game. I doubt the Magic would move him since they’ve waited this long for him to improve, but maybe. They’ve already paid Carter and Issac, so once Issac comes back, maybe they’d like to sell high on Bamba.

[DaMplsKid]

I am starting to think Prince needs to go. Through 4 games I cannot quite find a reason for him to be on the floor. His shooting is streaky at best, his defense is overrated, and his rebounding is more myth than fact. Someone somewhere must want a 13mil expiring, maybe they even through us a backup big, but Prince needs to go.

That ricky trade is looking pretty Awful.

Again, I disagree. Beverly is a big upgrade over Ricky and I truly believe he had a hand in getting our guys to play intense D. The other benefits of the trade are also still important as the 2nd and the exemption will come in handy. The bigger issue is that Prince is the wrong fit for this team. We need size. We need to be able to consistently rebound on defense and we need a rim protector who can guard the big strong centers in the league. That is not and will never be Prince.

I think a lot of it is that we are Playing Price out of position. He has been playing the back up 4 which isn't his fit. I think his jumper will come around he find his roll and become a solid bench guy. I don't miss Ricky at all right.

Sure it would of been nice to get a PF but who to say that was an option?

I would love to move Okogie for a back up 4 or 5. He is on his last year and we should be able to find a bench big somewhere.

[shrink]

That ricky trade is looking pretty Awful.

Again, I disagree. Beverly is a big upgrade over Ricky and I truly believe he had a hand in getting our guys to play intense D. The other benefits of the trade are also still important as the 2nd and the exemption will come in handy. The bigger issue is that Prince is the wrong fit for this team. We need size. We need to be able to consistently rebound on defense and we need a rim protector who can guard the big strong centers in the league. That is not and will never be Prince.

I think a lot of it is that we are Playing Price out of position. He has been playing the back up 4 which isn't his fit. I think his jumper will come around he find his roll and become a solid bench guy. I don't miss Ricky at all right.

Sure it would of been nice to get a PF but who to say that was an option?

The other big thing about the Rubio/Prince trade is that it cleared nearly $3 mil off our payroll, which allowed us to bring back Vanderbilt and McLaughlin.

I know he’s not exciting, but I still wonder what’s going on with Thad Young? The Spurs have played him a total of 12 minutes with 2 DNP-CD’s. He’s 33, so maybe he’s cooked, but it’s hard to imagine he fell off that fast, when he played very well off the bench last year. He’s a $14.2 mil expiring that’s providing virtually no production to the Spurs. I recall his wife didn’t like living in Minnesota, but he’s on an expiring. He’s mediocre, only 6-8, but 235 lb, a decent defender and rebounder, and he can also hit three’s to keep the floor spread on offense.

[TaylorTag]

I know he is a fan favorite. And he seems like a really chill dude. But I’m thinking we need to trade Naz Reid.

Having a non-rebounding, defensive liability behind KAT, especially considering our other front court depth (McDaniels, Prince, Vando), I just think Reid might be a luxury on this team, and right now we require a big that can rebound and play defense.

This is the first time I have felt this way since we have been connected to this player in trade rumors, but think we put ourselves in Top 5 in the West conversation if we got Myles Turner.

He really is the perfect big for the second unit. And the fact that he plays defense means we can pair Vando with KAT more and play someone like Prince next to Turner in the second unit…

Vando has proven he lifts the game of KAT and Reid. But he can’t play 48 minutes a game. So we need another big to help.

[Neeva]

Turner is overrated , Aldridge just dominated him tonight. He has been underwhelming all season.