Post Game Thoughts. Bucks.

[fattymcgee]

When KAT isn’t trying to pad the stat sheet, it really opens it up for our other guys to grab the board. I think our team has had this mindset where it’s like, “Oh there is this rebound I can get but KAT is also similarly distanced to the ball so I’ll just let him get it cause I know he wants his” and that is just not a recipe for success in the NBA.

Here’s the reality of the situation: KAT needs to get a double double every night in order to keep him happy.

I don't think thats true at all. KAT has shown over and over again, that he's willing to sacrifice his shots/stats if it helps the team winning.

I agree with you. KAT is by far the most efficient scorer on the team yet he takes 4+ less shot per game then Ant and about the same number of shots as D'Lo. We should be running more offense thru KAT so he has a couple more shot per game and more passing out of the low and high post. This would also get all the role players more involved with cutting and kickouts and then moving the ball around the horn.

[DaMplsKid]

Reading through these message I agree with most.

Something I want to add are:

I feel like KAT and Dlo want to win but they also feel like they need to be the one to impact that outcome. They will say team first this and team first that but deep down they want to be the alpha and either one of knows what that means or has what it takes to be that.

Towns toughness/strength is still an issue. We ran pick and roll several times last night and got George Hill switched on Towns and he couldn't establish position and make the Bucks pay.

Both Dlo and Edwards have to stop settle for deep 3 later in games. Ant took it to the rim but that was after he missed three 3's in the forth.

Rotation:
Vado needs to start with Okogie and McDaniels need to switch based on line ups.

I know we are 4 games into the season but JMac should only be playing if we are resting Dlo/Beverly for a game. There is no reason for him to get minutes.

Also, Towns need to rest when the other teams star is out. We left Towns in when the "freak" went out then it was time for Towns to rest Gainnis would come back in and the gap closed quickly without Towns on the court.

[DaMplsKid]

When KAT isn’t trying to pad the stat sheet, it really opens it up for our other guys to grab the board. I think our team has had this mindset where it’s like, “Oh there is this rebound I can get but KAT is also similarly distanced to the ball so I’ll just let him get it cause I know he wants his” and that is just not a recipe for success in the NBA.

Here’s the reality of the situation: KAT needs to get a double double every night in order to keep him happy.

I don't think thats true at all. KAT has shown over and over again, that he's willing to sacrifice his shots/stats if it helps the team winning.

I agree with you. KAT is by far the most efficient scorer on the team yet he takes 4+ less shot per game then Ant and about the same number of shots as D'Lo. We should be running more offense thru KAT so he has a couple more shot per game and more passing out of the low and high post. This would also get all the role players more involved with cutting and kickouts and then moving the ball around the horn.

Watching the game last night we tried to run through him but it wasn't working. He wasn't getting deep positioning and was pushed out to the elbow. They when he would get the ball instead of turning face up he would try and back them down where the double team could come and he was turning it over. He had 7 turnover last night for a guy you want to get more touches. If he is going to get pushed out the elbow it's ok. He just needs to turn face up and use that Duncan like jumper. He needs to learn to take what the defense is giving him and not force the offense. When that face up jumper (which he hits at a high rate) is falling he can then take them off the dribble to the basket. I feel like he is trying to "prove" his toughness which isn't his game.

[TaylorTag]

When KAT isn’t trying to pad the stat sheet, it really opens it up for our other guys to grab the board. I think our team has had this mindset where it’s like, “Oh there is this rebound I can get but KAT is also similarly distanced to the ball so I’ll just let him get it cause I know he wants his” and that is just not a recipe for success in the NBA.

Here’s the reality of the situation: KAT needs to get a double double every night in order to keep him happy.

I don't think thats true at all. KAT has shown over and over again, that he's willing to sacrifice his shots/stats if it helps the team winning.

yeah..I don't get this take...even in the full season when Jimmy was here, it was KAT's FG attempts which went down even though he was the most efficient offensive player on the team..he is willing to sacrifice his stats if it's gonna help the team

Karl has averaged 10+ rebounds every season of his career. If you think he doesn't want and expect to get to double digit rebounds for the season, you are delusional. It's absolutely a requirement in KAT's mind and you know what I don't hate that. He wants to be a Hall of Famer and there are certain gaming you got to do to get your numbers. It's the reality of sports, especially the NBA, so I get it.

The problem is that our defensive scheme as it is does not encourage a lot of rebounds from its Center. KAT is playing away from the rime. And so with Karl not getting easy rebounds like he has in the past, it's going to get him to go hunting for rebounds, which is not ideal.

I think there is a way to figure it out so that KAT is playing a team-first attituded every minute while he is on the floor while also getting his numbers

[fattymcgee]

I don't think thats true at all. KAT has shown over and over again, that he's willing to sacrifice his shots/stats if it helps the team winning.

I agree with you. KAT is by far the most efficient scorer on the team yet he takes 4+ less shot per game then Ant and about the same number of shots as D'Lo. We should be running more offense thru KAT so he has a couple more shot per game and more passing out of the low and high post. This would also get all the role players more involved with cutting and kickouts and then moving the ball around the horn.

Watching the game last night we tried to run through him but it wasn't working. He wasn't getting deep positioning and was pushed out to the elbow. They when he would get the ball instead of turning face up he would try and back them down where the double team could come and he was turning it over. He had 7 turnover last night for a guy you want to get more touches. If he is going to get pushed out the elbow it's ok. He just needs to turn face up and use that Duncan like jumper. He needs to learn to take what the defense is giving him and not force the offense. When that face up jumper (which he hits at a high rate) is falling he can then take them off the dribble to the basket. I feel like he is trying to "prove" his toughness which isn't his game.

I agree with what you said.
I feel like once Jimmy Butler came here we stopped running the offense thru Towns which is why he doesn't pass as much when he gets the ball and hence why he has more turnovers since he hasn't been given the experience of doing it enough the last 6 years. He demands a ton of attention so if he can keep his turnovers down it would be extremely valuable to run much of the offense thru him.

[Macwolf527]

This team can become really good if they can cut down some of these sloppy turnovers on offense..every game, they have like atleast 3-4 absolutely needless and dumb turnovers

You said a mouthful. It pains me to see them slinging the ball all over the court of making a lazy cross court pass. The simple pass is the best pass. These type of passes typically lead to the other team making a run, so hopefully the problem will correct itself soon.

[Calinks]

Towns toughness/strength is still an issue. We ran pick and roll several times last night and got George Hill switched on Towns and he couldn't establish position and make the Bucks pay.

I don't know if it's accurate but Jim Pete said that what George Hill was doing to push KAT out was not a legal NBA move. He just wasn't be called for it. Seems like KAT took a very hands-off approach because if fought back he would probably get called for fouls there. The refs are not happy with KAT right now either so they may be letting more stuff slide. (KAT's fault for being so demonstrative).

[winforlose]

Worth noting that when KAT didn’t whine at the refs they didn’t put him in foul trouble. I honestly believe if KAT keeps his calm night in and night out he will stay on the floor more often than not.

[life_saver]

Amazing rebounding from Vando

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[Calinks]

Worth noting that when KAT didn’t whine at the refs they didn’t put him in foul trouble. I honestly believe if KAT keeps his calm night in and night out he will stay on the floor more often than not.

I think we do get screwed out of a lot of calls for being a bad team. That's just how it goes IMO. That said I think KAT being so angsty to the refs has given them even more reason to make calls against up, particularly KAT.

I see two solutions. First and foremost we just have to get better. I think good teams and star players get more calls. Ant doesn't get a lot right now but I think he will as his legend grows. In time our team will get more whistles if we keep trending up.

KAT being a lot more reserved with officials will go a long way. They will take it as good faith effort and they will probably respond in kind. He is also relenting to authority which authority loves to see and reward. I don't know if he will be able to keep that bottled up for 80 more games though. If he does or at least tones it down a lot more, I think good things will come of it.

[Slim Tubby]

Geez if we beat Denver Saturday night…we have a legit shot at 7-1 start

It’s possible Jokic could be out on Saturday. I’m glad his injury wasn’t serious…I really enjoy watching him play except against the Wolves.


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[Slim Tubby]

The new defensive effort is letting the Wolves compete in games where the offense isn't great. Poor 3pt shooting (29%) and too many turnovers (17 TO) would have all but guaranteed a loss the last few years.

Excellent observation. I’m not a deep stats guy so I don’t always recognize the nuances of good defense and all the negatives it helps cover up.


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[Klomp]

Towns toughness/strength is still an issue. We ran pick and roll several times last night and got George Hill switched on Towns and he couldn't establish position and make the Bucks pay.

I don't know if it's accurate but Jim Pete said that what George Hill was doing to push KAT out was not a legal NBA move. He just wasn't be called for it. Seems like KAT took a very hands-off approach because if fought back he would probably get called for fouls there. The refs are not happy with KAT right now either so they may be letting more stuff slide. (KAT's fault for being so demonstrative).

KAT has also said in the past that he doesn't mind getting pushed out because he's so comfortable in the midrange and facing up. I wonder if that mentality has gotten around to not only the opponents but the refs too.

[packforfreedom]

when fans of other teams say we're an exciting team because of our hustle and defense

[King Malta]

when fans of other teams say we're an exciting team because of our hustle and defense

I can't remember the last time we were a recommended League Pass team

[El Hespiritu]

I guess I can see what Fincho is doing here.

He has two wannabe-stars (they are legit according their numbers per game but just work in progress according PO records) who aren't reliable at defense and show an embarassing tendence to focal inconsistency.

He has another wannabe-star who apparently has not those issues but given he is barely a sophomore neither has the experience and gravitas to carry the team.

So he tries hard to put at court the more toughness, defensive hyper-activity and relentless hustle his roster can give him expecting the wannabes to join the energy by pure team osmosis.

I think that's the right call.

The tricky part is: they need to hold on with that hysterical intensity every minute of every game or the whole thing will fall apart noisily. Neither shooting proficiency nor sharped offensive systems to save the day.

That will be exhausting... not so much for the body as it is for the mind.

Let's see how much time they can sustain it.

I wish to be long.

[kidfozzy]

Have not been this excited as a Wolves fan since Wiggins dropped 47 on the Lakers.

[Biff Cooper]

We play a good game and beat the defending champs on their home floor, and over half the comments on this thread are about what isn't working or what we should be doing better.

Not sure if that means we have **** fans on this board or if it means the team has a lot of room for improvement still??

Love seeing KAT be all business on the floor

[wolves_89]

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I think it is pretty clear that McDaniels is a SF and he needs to be paired with a bigger forward to maximize his skill set. I really wish the Wolves would have acquired a competent PF this off-season.

[life_saver]

We play a good game and beat the defending champs on their home floor, and over half the comments on this thread are about what isn't working or what we should be doing better.

Not sure if that means we have **** fans on this board or if it means the team has a lot of room for improvement still??

Love seeing KAT be all business on the floor

I think most posters here are happy with the start but this team still has a lot of room to improve on offense..they still make lot of silly mistakes and stupid turnovers on offense.