Pistons are the only team in the NBA without a win... Plus other early surprises.

[bstein14]

Not surprisingly, the Pistons will be the last team in the league to get a win this season.

Chicago and Charlotte (the Ball brothers) are currently the top 2 teams in the East with 4 wins each. Washington a bit of a surprise at 3-1 it seems like Spencer Dinwiddie plus the Lakers role players traded for Westbrook is going to give them a solid rotation. Beal hasn't provided them much of anything yet and to be 3-1 makes me feel like these guys might have a legit shot at the playoffs.

Indiana has struggled early on with new coach Rick Carlisle. Do they finally move on from Turner and Sabonis and try a rebuild? They feel like they are likely on the outside looking in for the playoffs this season, even though I really like what Sabonis brings to the table.

As far as rookies go, the two leading scorers are currently Chris Duarte for Indiana scoring 18.6 PPG through 5 guys shooting over 40% from deep, and Scottie Barnes for Toronto putting up 17 PPG and 8.2 RPG. Both these guys will likely be in the ROY race discussion at least early on this season. Jalen Green has had one really nice game but looked really bad and inefficient in the other 4 games.

Bey has started the season shooting really poorly from deep, but overall has shown a much improved and more versitle arsenal. Her's currently 4th among 2nd year players in scoring at 18.0 PPG.

What's have you seen that has surprised you to start this season?

[vege]

Charlotte doesn't surprise me at all, they were a center away from being a good team last season, and they added 2 fantastic veterans that we know very well and I would love to have in our roster. Mason Plumlee (what a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) move from Weaver, I like him a lot more than KO) and Ish Smith. They also have Gordon Hayward who's a great veteran, they're currently my 2nd favotite team and I'll probably watch a ton of their games this season. I dislike the Kelly Oubre singing tho.

I was shocked to find out that one of Charlotte twins is not there anymore and is in a 2 way contract in Miami. We should have signed him for the minimum, they're both legit NBA rotation players in my opinion. Weaver should've signed Caleb Martin, we would be set at the forward spots with Grant/Bey/Lyles/Martin.

Chicago have 2 wins against us, and they had a super soft schedule so far, I don't think they're that good, but an early boost in confidence is always great.

Indiana have a lot of good palyers but I dislike their roster/fit to be honest, I'm happy to see they added another great guard Chris Duarte os a beast, good for them.

I am super happy to see Harden strugling and Brooklyn doing terrible so far. I feel bad for LMA tho, but it was his choice.

Cleveland is the biggest surprise for me so far, their lineup is super weird, with 3 bigs and they're also giving decent minutes to Love. They're pretty much playing 3 bigs and 2 small guards lol, it makes no sense, but it's working really well for them.

Ricky Rubio is a guy we should've went after, he has been a fantastic veteran and he could help Cade and specially Hayes. Looks like CoJo was Weaver/Casey's coice to be our veteran guard to bring us some stability and it's not working at all so far.

Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes have been playing out of their minds, Hield is weird, they added a ton of guards, and when it looks like he has no place there anymore, he have been carrying them.

GSW have been much better than I expected, seems like they managed to develop a couple of GLeague players from last season and it's been working great for them (Jordan Poole and Damion Lee).

And unsurprisingly, we are unwatchable bad. I wonder how much more of that will Gores take, he is such a terrible owner. Since Mr Davidson died we've been a mess.

[bstein14]

And unsurprisingly, we are unwatchable bad. I wonder how much more of that will Gores take, he is such a terrible owner. Since Mr Davidson died we've been a mess.

The truth is, to be good enough to win a playoff series we need continued development of our young guys... Cade to turn into an all-star, another top 5 pick with all-star potential that ends up panning out for us, and a good FA signing.... Might even need a good trade as well.

If we don't bottom out for one more year, we risk falling back into the Andre Drummond treadmill years of drafting between 7th and 15th and never winning a playoff game.

In the end hopefully its just two years of bottoming out in exchange for a decade of playoff basketball all the way through Cade's 2nd-10th years with the team.

That said, it will be nice to see these guys get a win, hopefully in Cade's first game against Orlando in two nights.

[FloridaMan78]

Not surprisingly, the Pistons will be the last team in the league to get a win this season.

Chicago and Charlotte (the Ball brothers) are currently the top 2 teams in the East with 4 wins each. Washington a bit of a surprise at 3-1 it seems like Spencer Dinwiddie plus the Lakers role players traded for Westbrook is going to give them a solid rotation. Beal hasn't provided them much of anything yet and to be 3-1 makes me feel like these guys might have a legit shot at the playoffs.

Indiana has struggled early on with new coach Rick Carlisle. Do they finally move on from Turner and Sabonis and try a rebuild? They feel like they are likely on the outside looking in for the playoffs this season, even though I really like what Sabonis brings to the table.

As far as rookies go, the two leading scorers are currently Chris Duarte for Indiana scoring 18.6 PPG through 5 guys shooting over 40% from deep, and Scottie Barnes for Toronto putting up 17 PPG and 8.2 RPG. Both these guys will likely be in the ROY race discussion at least early on this season. Jalen Green has had one really nice game but looked really bad and inefficient in the other 4 games.

Bey has started the season shooting really poorly from deep, but overall has shown a much improved and more versitle arsenal. Her's currently 4th among 2nd year players in scoring at 18.0 PPG.

What's have you seen that has surprised you to start this season?

After the schedule came out I was expecting 2-8 so this isn’t too far off. I was hoping Cade would play so that’s been disappointing. I liked Duarte and thought he’d be good, but still surprised he’s been that good. Injuries gave him the opportunity. Scottie Barnes surprised me, didn’t know he could shoot.

While the Pistons record doesn’t surprise me, the way the offense has been so bad has. Hopefully Cade turns that around and guys like Killian, CoJo, Frank Jackson turn it around and the offense at least looks respectable. Their defense has been just like last year so that’s good.

[flow]

Charlotte doesn't surprise me at all, they were a center away from being a good team last season, and they added 2 fantastic veterans that we know very well and I would love to have in our roster. Mason Plumlee (what a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) move from Weaver, I like him a lot more than KO) and Ish Smith. They also have Gordon Hayward who's a great veteran, they're currently my 2nd favotite team and I'll probably watch a ton of their games this season. I dislike the Kelly Oubre singing tho.

Nor I. Plumlee was a great addition for them. Their guard/shooting depth is thinner than last season, though. Ish is in, but both Graham and Monk are out.

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[bstein14]

Not surprisingly, the Pistons will be the last team in the league to get a win this season.

Chicago and Charlotte (the Ball brothers) are currently the top 2 teams in the East with 4 wins each. Washington a bit of a surprise at 3-1 it seems like Spencer Dinwiddie plus the Lakers role players traded for Westbrook is going to give them a solid rotation. Beal hasn't provided them much of anything yet and to be 3-1 makes me feel like these guys might have a legit shot at the playoffs.

Indiana has struggled early on with new coach Rick Carlisle. Do they finally move on from Turner and Sabonis and try a rebuild? They feel like they are likely on the outside looking in for the playoffs this season, even though I really like what Sabonis brings to the table.

As far as rookies go, the two leading scorers are currently Chris Duarte for Indiana scoring 18.6 PPG through 5 guys shooting over 40% from deep, and Scottie Barnes for Toronto putting up 17 PPG and 8.2 RPG. Both these guys will likely be in the ROY race discussion at least early on this season. Jalen Green has had one really nice game but looked really bad and inefficient in the other 4 games.

Bey has started the season shooting really poorly from deep, but overall has shown a much improved and more versitle arsenal. Her's currently 4th among 2nd year players in scoring at 18.0 PPG.

What's have you seen that has surprised you to start this season?

After the schedule came out I was expecting 2-8 so this isn’t too far off. I was hoping Cade would play so that’s been disappointing. I liked Duarte and thought he’d be good, but still surprised he’s been that good. Injuries gave him the opportunity. Scottie Barnes surprised me, didn’t know he could shoot.

While the Pistons record doesn’t surprise me, the way the offense has been so bad has. Hopefully Cade turns that around and guys like Killian, CoJo, Frank Jackson turn it around and the offense at least looks respectable. Their defense has been just like last year so that’s good.

Yup, Pistons are dead last in offensive rating and they aren't even close to the next team. The Pistons are at 88.3 and the 2nd worst team is at 98.4 so we're more than 10% worst than the 2nd worst offense in the league. Our true shooting % is 47.4% which is awful, we're the only team below 50%. We're near the top as far as most TOs per game and we're 2nd lowest in assists per game. We've just been awful and moving the ball and creating for each other. We are looking more like the team tanking down the stretch last season than the team that started last season.

Bey added a bunch to his offensive arsenal but it looks like he didn't put time into shooting threes this summer... or maybe its just a bit if a slump to start the season hopefully he shoots himself back into at least the mid 30% range for the year if not up to where he was as a rookie.

Strangely its Philly, without Simmons, that has the best offensive rating in the NBA right now at 112.6 just above Memphis, Charlotte, Utah and Golden State.

[Manocad]

Awesome. Another top five draft pick would be SWEEEEEET.

[Tecmo]

Awesome. Another top five draft pick would be SWEEEEEET.

I'm actually thinking this is a good outcome for the team. I hope Cade plays this year & does great while the youth learns. But, I'd also like to see a top 5 pick and then have '22 - '23 be the big leap to the playoffs.

[Snakebites]

There are always surprises to start out the year.

Most of them don't stand the test of time.

The Pistons being bad is neither a surprise nor is it likely to fade like some of those actual surprises do.

I suppose it is minorly surprising that at this stage there isn't a SINGLE other team that's still winless. I could trot out the excuse that there are only 2 other teams that have only played three games thus far, but the odds of us winning any of the next couple...well, they aren't great.

With the Wizards I ALWAYS figured that Dinwiddie/Harrell/Kuzma/KCP was going to be a substantial upgrade over Russ, and that they'd be improved this year. Not sure by how much, but we'll wait and see. All of the attention was on the Lakers side of that trade in the offseason, but I saw them as getting rid of a massive contract who wasn't even a positive for them and getting 3 guys who could be plugged into that rotation instantly for positive impact.

In 2 offseasons they turned a protected pick and John Wall's bloated carcass of a contract into 3 rotation players, plus replaced Wall with Dinwiddie. Nice work by any stretch.

[Manocad]

Awesome. Another top five draft pick would be SWEEEEEET.

I'm actually thinking this is a good outcome for the team. I hope Cade plays this year & does great while the youth learns. But, I'd also like to see a top 5 pick and then have '22 - '23 be the big leap to the playoffs.

Exactly. Now ultimately I'd love to see Cade blast off plus every single young player on the team make an expected improvement--nothing crazy, just a normal level of improvement--and the team wins 45 games. But that's not realistic. Some players SHOULD improve, and some are likely going to either be slower to develop or perhaps go nowhere. Simply put, being that it's unrealistic to expect the Pistons to be competing for a playoff spot the wins in and of themselves mean nothing, thus losses don't either.

[DBC10]

Not surprisingly, the Pistons will be the last team in the league to get a win this season.

Chicago and Charlotte (the Ball brothers) are currently the top 2 teams in the East with 4 wins each. Washington a bit of a surprise at 3-1 it seems like Spencer Dinwiddie plus the Lakers role players traded for Westbrook is going to give them a solid rotation. Beal hasn't provided them much of anything yet and to be 3-1 makes me feel like these guys might have a legit shot at the playoffs.

Indiana has struggled early on with new coach Rick Carlisle. Do they finally move on from Turner and Sabonis and try a rebuild? They feel like they are likely on the outside looking in for the playoffs this season, even though I really like what Sabonis brings to the table.

As far as rookies go, the two leading scorers are currently Chris Duarte for Indiana scoring 18.6 PPG through 5 guys shooting over 40% from deep, and Scottie Barnes for Toronto putting up 17 PPG and 8.2 RPG. Both these guys will likely be in the ROY race discussion at least early on this season. Jalen Green has had one really nice game but looked really bad and inefficient in the other 4 games.

Bey has started the season shooting really poorly from deep, but overall has shown a much improved and more versitle arsenal. Her's currently 4th among 2nd year players in scoring at 18.0 PPG.

What's have you seen that has surprised you to start this season?

After the schedule came out I was expecting 2-8 so this isn’t too far off. I was hoping Cade would play so that’s been disappointing. I liked Duarte and thought he’d be good, but still surprised he’s been that good. Injuries gave him the opportunity. Scottie Barnes surprised me, didn’t know he could shoot.

While the Pistons record doesn’t surprise me, the way the offense has been so bad has. Hopefully Cade turns that around and guys like Killian, CoJo, Frank Jackson turn it around and the offense at least looks respectable. Their defense has been just like last year so that’s good.

Not a lot of people know this but Nick Nurse wrote a book on how to shoot a jumper and as well as being a great fundamental developer before his head coaching role. So it's no surprise guys like OG, Barnes, and even Pascal all learned how to shoot to an extent. From what I hear, they have high hopes for OG and Barnes this season. Not sure if they're going to make the playoffs easily but they should be a team no one wants to face this season

With that being said, this result was not a surprise to me in any shape or form. I was more surprised with how putrid we looked to be winless so far though. I had hopes the offense would sputter on better but either due to coaching, rotations, bad roster fit, it looks like pure garbage fire on offense. Defense we're fine and can hang our hats on that to grind a game out maybe, but offense is where we really need to spice up, otherwise, it'll be quite long before we get to even 5 wins at this point

[Pistonrings]

We have played 3 games but only 2 teams and both those teams could win 50 games. 2 of our 3 and after tonight 3 of our first 4 will have been on the road against THREE teams that could win 50 plus. The one home game we have played we were leading most all the games and lost by 6 points, so that's hardly a terrible performance. So I am far more optimistic than most I guess.

I think we beat Orlando in our 2nd home game. But as I've said before, I actually like this miserable early schedule because it will really force the team to give max effort to compete at all with these teams and once we start hitting better schedule hopefully the team will have some character calouses built u.

Remember, this team played some tough ball against great teams last season. So yeah, I've seen nothing unexpected yet and nothing that has changed my positive outlook.

[DET_Athletics]

Come on Jaden Hardy, Paolo Banchero or Chet Holmgren we need one of those top 3!

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[Liqourish]

Paolo Banchero would be the perfect Rasheed Wallace next to Isaiah Stewart's Ben Wallace. Add a shooter next to Cade in the backcourt and Pistons would have a damn fine young starting five for the next 5-8 years.

C. Cunningham
shooter (FA?)
S. Bey
P. Banchero
I. Stewart

[vege]

Isaiah Stewart's Ben Wallace.

Please, don't do that

[Liqourish]

Isaiah Stewart's Ben Wallace.

Please, don't do that

Moreso the rebounding and lack of offense. Not so much the defensive player of the year.