Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Madhouse]

Now you can actually see via Barnes that making a 3 or/and scoring at a high-level are absolutely not required to dominate a game on both ends

with that new knowledge in mind:
Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

Scottie has a mid-range game. He's also not afraid to take 3s.

A bit of a stretch but it's definitely easy to see him becoming a good one in the future.

He's still shooting below 30% from the mid range and under 20% from the 3.

yeah Barnes would be the first to tell you that's his weakness and needs to put in a lot of effort to fix it. Raptors are probably happy he struggles with his jumpshot because if he didn't he wouldn't be here and as long as he wants to improve it, it's the perfect situation.

[SFour]

Simmons didn't develop a shot during his redshirt season. Barnes will come back with a much better shot next year. How can you be 5 years in the league and not have any type of jump shot?

Simmons does other things exceptionally - playmaking, running transition offense, defense - and he is content living off that and his hype. So he is unmotivated to improve his shot. Now that he has a max contract, even less motivation.

Simmons problem isn't that he's unmotivated to work on his shot....it's that he's mentally scared to actually USE his shot in real games...he is clearly capable of shooting in practice, he's just scared of looking like a fool in real games.

[HumbleRen]

Nurse has slowly been adding more and more on Scotties plate. Last night Scottie was running the point more with FVV playing the two.

Tells me that Scottie and Fred will be the guards when Pascal returns with OG and Pascal up front. GTJ will be moved to the bench to play with Banton, Yuta and Boucher.

I honestly think they go

FVV
GTJ
Barnes
Siakam
OG

im ok with that too, as long as precious goes to the bench. hes effectively a rookie as well in my mind given his playing time last year
and has alot to learn still, i love is potential but hes definitely the one of the rawest players on our team along with banton. send him out with the second unit and give him alot of touches.

Thing is, his rebounding is crucial. I think I like Birch better with Banton and Boucher. Birch brings stability with the 2nd unit. Also helps Banton alot due to Birch's ability to be a roll man.

Precious has no roll game which will harm Banton's game.

[rapsincr]

I honestly think they go

FVV
GTJ
Barnes
Siakam
OG

im ok with that too, as long as precious goes to the bench. hes effectively a rookie as well in my mind given his playing time last year
and has alot to learn still, i love is potential but hes definitely the one of the rawest players on our team along with banton. send him out with the second unit and give him alot of touches.

Thing is, his rebounding is crucial. I think I like Birch better with Banton and Boucher. Birch brings stability with the 2nd unit. Also helps Banton alot due to Birch's ability to be a roll man.

Precious has no roll game which will harm Banton's game.

i hear you, theres no perfect situation. thats why i said im ok with your lineup too. i just really dont like the fit with precious in the starting group. so as long hes coming off the bench im happy. and GTJ in the starting 5 is terrifying for teams defensively given how hes started the year on that side of the ball.

[hype_2004]

Scottie has a mid-range game. He's also not afraid to take 3s.

A bit of a stretch but it's definitely easy to see him becoming a good one in the future.

He's still shooting below 30% from the mid range and under 20% from the 3.

yeah Barnes would be the first to tell you that's his weakness and needs to put in a lot of effort to fix it. Raptors are probably happy he struggles with his jumpshot because if he didn't he wouldn't be here and as long as he wants to improve it, it's the perfect situation.

Scottie with a jumper is an all time consensus no 1 pick in any draft.

[Jcity08]

The real prize when it comes to Scottie is the impact he has that cannot easily be quantified by a stat. He is made to be a leader, as a rookie he is so calm, measured and very good at making reads and communicating with his teammates.

Also with the no look passes, he already understands the value of misdirection and not telegraphing what he is about to do, which isnt always perfect but he's far ahead than most.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Now you can actually see via Barnes that making a 3 or/and scoring at a high-level are absolutely not required to dominate a game on both ends

Scottie Barnes first 5 games, 4 midrange FGs.
Ben Simmons 2019/20-2020-21 seasons, 11 midrange FGs

You need to be able/willing to shoot. Although I don't think Barnes is dominating on offense. He's taking advantage.

with that new knowledge in mind:
Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

If you miss on Suggs you just wipe the slate clean and better luck next-time. If you bring in Simmons and it's more of the same, he's harder to move and on the books for 30+ million.

[DelAbbot]

Anyone got a video breakdown of moves by Barnes that flash star potential? Particularly on his advanced offensive and defensive awareness?

I need some help seeing those.

[Bruin]

Can’t help but think Scottie would be averaging 5 assists right now if Precious had hands

[Dalek]

My biggest takeaway from the first week of regular season Scottie is he is a "bully" in the best possible way. It is just the way he calls for the ball and just says to himself "I am getting to the basket" and he just drives through the lane, through contact and it don't matter who is there.

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It is the same with his jumper. He may not make every shot but he is like "don't care if I miss because I am getting that rebound and putback dunk." At one point that happened with Sabonis who is supposed to be a PF/C and Scotties just pushed him out of the way and got a putback.

Those are the bully moments that remind me of Kawhi. You need to have that hunger and mentality to be the best and has that drive even if his skills are not all the way there.

What is cool is that as people play his aggressive drives he just kicking out to shooters. Things are going to open up because you can't play him one way.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Can’t help but think Scottie would be averaging 5 assists right now if Precious had hands

FVV might be avging 10-12 a game.

[Jcity08]

Can’t help but think Scottie would be averaging 5 assists right now if Precious had hands

He'd be averaging a near triple double if every one of his passes were converted instead of bricks and every quick pass into the cutting lane landed, they are all good passes, but I think it'll take time & chemistry to work.

[LoveMyRaps]

Can’t help but think Scottie would be averaging 5 assists right now if Precious had hands

FVV might be avging 10-12 a game.

To be fair, FVV hasn't been throwing the best alley-oops either. He'll get better.

[Bruin]

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[JN]

I just put $100 down on Scottie Barnes at +600 to win Rookie of the Year.
Seemed like good value.

It was +1200 prior to Boston game... +800 just after. I got in at +800.

Can you cash out your bet before the actual ROY announcement? Like closing your position before expiry.

Right now must be good time to sell / cash out, then reload the bet for Barnes ROY after Siakam returns and takes away his mins and touches.

You can. But I find that Bet365 takes a fairly large discount from the current position.

I'll give you an example.
At +600, for $100 bet, I will get a payout of $700.
If the odds go down to +300, to get them same payout of $700 I will need to bet $175.

So the "implied" value of my initial bet is $175.
But the cash out will not pay out anywhere close to that. My guess is that it would pay somewhere closer to $140... it would certainly not be near $175.

Similar the poster above said he got in at +800, with it now at +600, his $100 bet has an implied value of $129 now. I doubt they would give you much more than $110.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Can’t help but think Scottie would be averaging 5 assists right now if Precious had hands

FVV might be avging 10-12 a game.

To be fair, FVV hasn't been throwing the best alley-oops either. He'll get better.

Thats fair. He avged 15.4 Potential ASTs this year, only has 8.2 ASTs. Alot reasons for it, but I think he has alot of room for growth if guys just made shots.

[Darkseid]

Retire his jersey.

He's already a Raptors legend.

[HumbleRen]

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[Brettfinch]

I wanted my Ben Simmons, I got my Ben in Barnes. Exactly the same type of player (PG|SG|SF|PF). The game belongs to them.

Now that some have been humbled. Let's say we would have drafted Suggs and then traded him to Philly for Simmons?
Looking at Suggs right now, what would you be thinking? would you be upset?

Our starting 5 would a NBA finals contender FVV|OG|Simmons|Siakam|Stretch 5
Spare the Hawks series tunnel vision. He averaged a triple-double the round prior

Simmons was a playoffs flop even as a #4/5 option. Couldn't even stay on the court. With a massive contract.

Barnes is already scoring more than Ben ever has.

But the question is not Barnes vs Simmons. It is the 4th pick as Suggs vs Simmons as a hypothetical.
would you rather have
Suggs 28.6 FG% 21.4 3P% with greenlight|current FVV|current OG| or
a NBA finals contender starting 5 current FVV|current OG|Simmons|Siakam|Stretch 5

I don't think that starting five is a finals contender, your point is being lost cause I don't think many people agree that Simmons alone would push us to the finals.

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[Jcity08]

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