Dalano Banton Discussion / Appreciation

[ash_k]

he is a good stopgap until both Dragic and Flynn start performing at their regular level. You don't win Rookie of the month in this league by luck

No, you can win it by being fed shots on a tanking team. Hell, Michael Carter-Williams won ROY that way

Nah, you can't. You need a certain talent-level and mindset. It seems like MCW was never the same after that surgery.

Flynn showed he had no fear in the 4th quarter. He showed that he could shoot the 3 at a high-clip and penetrate.
I appreciate Banton's energy and pace , but the offense stalled last night once he came in the first half. He was -1(+/-) at halftime.
Flynn was not a lottery pick like MCW.

[Brettfinch]

he is a good stopgap until both Dragic and Flynn start performing at their regular level. You don't win Rookie of the month in this league by luck

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[KawhiSoSerious]

he is a good stopgap until both Dragic and Flynn start performing at their regular level. You don't win Rookie of the month in this league by luck

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Flynn won rookie of the month last season

[Indeed]

he is a good stopgap until both Dragic and Flynn start performing at their regular level. You don't win Rookie of the month in this league by luck

No, you can win it by being fed shots on a tanking team. Hell, Michael Carter-Williams won ROY that way

Nah, you can't. You need a certain talent-level and mindset. It seems like MCW was never the same after that surgery.

Flynn showed he had no fear in the 4th quarter. He showed that he could shoot the 3 at a high-clip and penetrate.
I appreciate Banton's energy and pace , but the offense stalled last night once he came in the first half. He was -1(+/-) at halftime.
Flynn was not a lottery pick like MCW.

Not seeing the talent level of Flynn. As a shooter, you need to get enough space to shoot, but apparently he couldn't due to his lower release point and lack of strength to get to his spot.

I mean Flynn can shoot the 3s at a high rate, but I don't see the penetrate, and instead Button is better at getting to the rim.

[OakleyDokely]

Nurse is prioritizing length, defensive versatility, ballhawking, quick transition play and none of those things are strengths for Flynn. Flynn is your traditional guard who plays in the halfcourt, runs PnRs and defends his own position. Doesn't mean Flynn isn't any good or isn't useful, he just might not be a fit on this current team.

[aligator]

Seems like Flynn is destined to be assigned to the 905. Only a Dragic buyout can save him.

[ash_k]

No, you can win it by being fed shots on a tanking team. Hell, Michael Carter-Williams won ROY that way

Nah, you can't. You need a certain talent-level and mindset. It seems like MCW was never the same after that surgery.

Flynn showed he had no fear in the 4th quarter. He showed that he could shoot the 3 at a high-clip and penetrate.
I appreciate Banton's energy and pace , but the offense stalled last night once he came in the first half. He was -1(+/-) at halftime.
Flynn was not a lottery pick like MCW.

Not seeing the talent level of Flynn. As a shooter, you need to get enough space to shoot, but apparently he couldn't due to his lower release point and lack of strength to get to his spot.

I mean Flynn can shoot the 3s at a high rate, but I don't see the penetrate, and instead Button is better at getting to the rim.

You did watch Malachi the last 2 months of last season, right? You do recall some of his 4th Q performances, right?

Last season, there were so many conversations about "tanking" and "SuggsForLife" that posters might not have been paying any attention to actual games. (which would explain why so many have been surprised by OG's "improvements" as well)
Banton is all energy, pace and length which fits us great in short spurts right now, but Malachi is all skills with that FVV mindset.
At the same age, Malachi is way ahead of FVV.

[Indeed]

Nah, you can't. You need a certain talent-level and mindset. It seems like MCW was never the same after that surgery.

Flynn showed he had no fear in the 4th quarter. He showed that he could shoot the 3 at a high-clip and penetrate.
I appreciate Banton's energy and pace , but the offense stalled last night once he came in the first half. He was -1(+/-) at halftime.
Flynn was not a lottery pick like MCW.

Not seeing the talent level of Flynn. As a shooter, you need to get enough space to shoot, but apparently he couldn't due to his lower release point and lack of strength to get to his spot.

I mean Flynn can shoot the 3s at a high rate, but I don't see the penetrate, and instead Button is better at getting to the rim.

You did watch Malachi the last 2 months of last season, right? You do recall some of his 4th Q performances, right?

Last season, there were so many conversations about "tanking" and "SuggsForLife" that posters might not have been paying any attention to actual games. (which would explain why so many have been surprised by OG's "improvements" as well)
Banton is all energy, pace and length which fits us great in short spurts right now, but Malachi is all skills with that FVV mindset.
At the same age, Malachi is way ahead of FVV.

I watched from league pass more than once on some games, and he was giving up the same as he scored, plus many of them are spot up, not what you think those comes from penetration. He is more a 3+D with pull up 3 if given space, but not switchable.

And I mentioned multiple times and proved video evidence that VanVleet in his rookie was better than Flynn, as he can get to the rim. It is your assumptions that he is better than VanVeet, but it is not.

[ash_k]

Not seeing the talent level of Flynn. As a shooter, you need to get enough space to shoot, but apparently he couldn't due to his lower release point and lack of strength to get to his spot.

I mean Flynn can shoot the 3s at a high rate, but I don't see the penetrate, and instead Button is better at getting to the rim.

You did watch Malachi the last 2 months of last season, right? You do recall some of his 4th Q performances, right?

Last season, there were so many conversations about "tanking" and "SuggsForLife" that posters might not have been paying any attention to actual games. (which would explain why so many have been surprised by OG's "improvements" as well)
Banton is all energy, pace and length which fits us great in short spurts right now, but Malachi is all skills with that FVV mindset.
At the same age, Malachi is way ahead of FVV.

I watched from league pass more than once on some games, and he was giving up the same as he scored, plus many of them are spot up, not what you think those comes from penetration. He is more a 3+D with pull up 3 if given space, but not switchable.

And I mentioned multiple times and proved video evidence that VanVleet in his rookie was better than Flynn, as he can get to the rim. It is your assumptions that he is better than VanVeet, but it is not.

Nah, rookie VanVleet could have never won a rookie of the month. Never. During, VanVleet rookie season, it was still advantage Delon Wright

[GordanFreeman]

he is a good stopgap until both Dragic and Flynn start performing at their regular level. You don't win Rookie of the month in this league by luck

No, you can win it by being fed shots on a tanking team. Hell, Michael Carter-Williams won ROY that way

Nah, you can't. You need a certain talent-level and mindset. It seems like MCW was never the same after that surgery.

Flynn showed he had no fear in the 4th quarter. He showed that he could shoot the 3 at a high-clip and penetrate.
I appreciate Banton's energy and pace , but the offense stalled last night once he came in the first half. He was -1(+/-) at halftime.
Flynn was not a lottery pick like MCW.

I find Flynn to be very a underwhelming player. He doesn't do anything very well. His shooting is poor (his misses can be very bad), his dribbling is subpar and he doesn't have a good physical profile to make up for the other shortcomings. Banton is younger, bigger, longer, plays with more energy, seems to be quicker and runs the offence better imo. He's not a shot maker but his shot doesn't look completely broken either; I think it's fixable.

[lobosloboslobos]

I am going to guess that #46 spot is an anomaly.
If you stack the list of #44, #45, #47 it will likely be nowhere near as good.
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Since I'm already in nerd mode: For the same time period, I confirmed that this is true as expected. I added #48 as well.
#44: Zero players of note (unless you count Bol Bol)
#45: Dillon Brooks, Dwight Powell
#47: Svi Mykhailiuk
#48: Terance Mann

Are you going back 10 years or 20?

I love nerd mode. Probably best to start from 2016 and go backwards because some guys within the past 5 years still haven't reached potential - jury can still be out.

So from 2000 to 2016....spanning picks 44 to 48 (5 per year) is a sample size of 80 which is decent. I'm gonna guess no more than 10 guys who became rotation pieces at some point and no more than 5 guys who became starters. Maybe 2 guys who became significant players ie allstar or borderline allstar. Those are just hunches though.

I have to admit....it wasnt until tanking became an option last year that i started looking at previous draft lists. I honestly did not realize how hit and miss the nba draft is. There were far more names that were never significant in the nba than i was expecting.

I'm sure someone has calculated how many of the 60 draft picks per year are expected to be eventual rotation pieces (1 - 10 on a roster for at least one season). Would be interesting to see some data on that.

So for any given year....we can say there's 300 rotation spots in the nba. There's a certain amount of players that drop out of that list (retirement or injury or digression) and an equal amount that enter the list. I wonder what that number is? In other words....what's the average yearly turnover for nba rotations?

Establishing a running average of that turnover....then we'd have a sense of how many spots players are competing for. Since the draft pproduces 60 more competitors every year for that 300 list....it starts to make sense why so many names of previous drafts are unrecognizable.


Someone here posted a data analysis of drafting efficiency by team and i was really impressed by the math. The raptors under masai were #1 and the #2 spot was WAYYYY behind us in a cluster with the rest of the league. The distance between us and #2 was greater than any other sequential difference. One has to assume, after Banton, that this is more than luck at this point.

Edit: not sure if this is the same analysis but it's the same idea. One caveat: i was wrong about something. The distance between us and denver (#2 - both of masai's teams!) is lesser than the difference between #29 and memphis (#30).

It's still incredible how elite we have been at drafting:

https://towardsdatascience.com/measuring-success-in-the-nba-draft-a7f67cfb7718

I had no idea about this. it is truly remarkable that we are BY FAR the best tam at drafting. crazy. i might have to go start a thread about this on the GB. someone should have posted it in the Masai is overrated thread there.

[niQ]

Banton another Masai/Bobby Gem.

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[Bruin]

Remember when people complained we picked Dalano when Cooper and Boston were on the board

[AndreasLeftCalf]

Banton another Masai/Bobby Gem.

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damn suggs LOL

[DreamTeam09]

Remember when people complained we picked Dalano when Cooper and Boston were on the board

Well we definitely should've drafted Boston &Banton. David Johnson serves us 0 purpose, but good luck to him tho

[Jcity08]

Banton another Masai/Bobby Gem.

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I really hope Suggs is just adjusting to the NBA and gets better as the season goes on.

[kj_]

Banton another Masai/Bobby Gem.

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damn suggs LOL

That graphic is not kind to Suggs.


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[Bruin]

Remember when people complained we picked Dalano when Cooper and Boston were on the board

Well we definitely should've drafted Boston &Banton. David Johnson serves us 0 purpose, but good luck to him tho

I still have hope for Johnson. Not gonna doubt Masai

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[Mikey Streetz]

Right now, my biggest knock on him is that he didnt know how to pronounce Queens Quay or Roncesvalles.

Right!? Like WTF?!

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