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Post#21 » by JTT » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:46 pm

dagger wrote:Something to watch. The Pirates cut Gregory Palanco late in the season, the Jays picked him up on a minor league deal. Palanco had a fantastic end of season run with Buffalo. He's a fringe LH bat at this point, but a cheap option for Toronto. Not so cheap for Pittsburgh. I wonder if there is a play here that works for both teams... Jays eat some more of the money, get something for it from Cherrington.

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This turned out to be a reporting error. Polanco’s contract was terminated by the pirates (according to Stoeten). Jays picked him up on a minor league deal. He should be a free agent now.
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Post#22 » by guvernator » Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:29 am

When does free agency start? With raptors sucking, its going to be a long winter...
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Post#23 » by polo007 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:11 pm

Major League Baseball work stoppage almost certain on Dec. 2 - The Associated Press

HOUSTON (AP) — Baseball’s ninth work stoppage and first in 26 years appears almost certain to start Dec. 2, freezing the free-agent market and threatening the start of spring training in February.

Negotiations have been taking place since last spring, and each side thinks the other has not made proposals that will lead toward an agreement replacing the five-year contract that expires at 11:59 p.m. EST on Dec. 1.

The luxury tax system that started with the 2003 season sunsets with the expiration of the labor contract, with the exception of completing accounting and payments for the 2021 tax year. Uncertainty over the 2022 season probably will cause high-spending clubs to delay reaching pricier player agreements.


Free agents can start signing with any team on the sixth day following the World Series, and this year’s group includes Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Freddie Freeman, Trevor Story, Max Scherzer, Marcus Semien, Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, Michael Conforto and Kevin Gausman.

MLB may attempt a signing freeze with the start of a lockout, or the marketplace might grind to a halt on its own, even more pronounced than the slowdowns of the 2017-18 and 2018-19 offseasons.

New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman doesn’t know the parameters of what he has to spend.

“I have yet to have the conversation yet with what potentials, acknowledging that we have budget commitments already in play and depending on how the new collective bargaining agreement works out over the course of time, hopefully sooner than later,” he said.

Agents say they have received no guidance from the players’ association. Some have braced for a two-week scramble to sign next March or later, whenever a lockout ends.

This lack of pace in negotiations is similar to what occurred in 1989-90, when the agreement expired Dec. 31 and owners announced on Jan. 9 that a lockout would begin Feb. 15 absent an agreement. A deal was reached March 1 and opening day was delayed a week until April 9, causing 78 games to be postponed and rescheduled.

Teams have proposed eliminating salary arbitration and allowing players to become free agents in the offseason after they turn 29 1/2 rather than the six seasons of major league service in place since 1976. They have proposed a lower luxury threshold along with a payroll floor. Players have refused for decades to consider a payroll floor, feeling it would lead to a salary cap.

Concerned with “tanking” by rebuilding teams and a slide in spending on major league payrolls, players want changes in the current deal, which calls for payrolls to be taxed above $210 million (using average annual values plus benefits) and includes surtaxes that went into place for 2017. Management’s proposal called for the threshold to be dropped to $180 million, another factor that may gridlock many free agent negotiations.
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Post#24 » by The_Hater » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:20 pm

guvernator wrote:When does free agency start? With raptors sucking, its going to be a long winter...


The Raps have put a very young, exciting team and are playing at a very fast pace this year. I think win or lose it’s going to be a fun season to watch.
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Post#27 » by wamco » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:54 pm

So I went over to mlb trade value website and these were valued at fair trades. Wanted to get some reactions.

Kirk and hiraldo for Matt Chapman

Kirk biggio van eyk and hiraldo for ketel marte

Groshans Kirk de Castro for Chapman and manaea

Espinal and Otto Lopez for bassit (sp oak 1/9 left on contract)

Moreno hiraldo and hoglund
For Jose Ramirez

Groshans biggio Morris and tiedmann for montas (oak sp)

Van eyk for Kyle Hendricks (2/28 contract)

McGwire grichuk and 5m for Kimbrel

Hiraldo and tiedemann for Hendricks and 8m

Guierriel and Otto Lopez for Matt Chapman

Hoglund McGwire and van eyk for Kyle Hendricks and 14m

Groshans teo Kirk and hiraldo for Jose Ramirez

Guierriel espinal McGwire van eyk for Chapman and manaea

Hoglund McGwire van eyk for bassit

Biggio and hoglund for bassit

Hiraldo mcgwire and grichuk for Donaldson Kepler and thielbarrp minn)

Grichuk for David price

Grichuk and 5m for odorizzi

Groshans and gurriel for Chapman and manaea

Jansen and Otto Lopez for bassit

Guierriel for wuantril (sp cle)

Guierriel and Kevin smith for sonny gray (1yr 10.6m and club option at 12.5 in 2023)
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Post#31 » by polo007 » Sat Nov 6, 2021 1:38 am

Mitchell: Examining potential off-season trade targets for the Blue Jays - TSN.ca

TORONTO — At this time of year, the focus for outsiders is on the free-agent market.

But before front offices truly start to hone in and gauge where those prices will go over the next few weeks, much of their internal attention is spent on the trade market, trying to figure out what possibilities exist on that front first.

Investigating the chances of shifting around redundant assets for already cost-controlled pieces to avoid paying the free-agent market premiums is where things usually start.

The Toronto Blue Jays could be dabbling in this area this winter.

From major-league trade chips such as Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Alejandro Kirk, Randal Grichuk, Danny Jansen and Ross Stripling, to prospect names like Jordan Groshans, Kevin Smith, Otto Lopez, Leo Jimenez and Sem Robberse, there’s no shortage of assets that could pique another team’s interest in trade talks, depending on the magnitude of the deal.


For the Jays, the shift towards using higher-end prospects as trade chips started at the trade deadline, but dealing Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson in exchange for a season and a half of José Berríos won’t be the end.

[b]This winter, however, it would not be surprising to see the Jays finally start to shift around some of their major-league pieces, something both GM Ross Atkins and president/CEO Mark Shapiro hinted at in their year-end availabilities last month.

“I'm not a believer that you have to sign anyone back — I’m a believer that you have to get better,” Shapiro said when asked about their top two free agents, Robbie Ray and Marcus Semien. “As I sit down with Ross and sit in on our meetings or preparation, there are multiple ways for that to happen. We'll have the resources to do it, both in young talent that we could trade and in payroll.”

Atkins doubled down on that assessment.

“Sometimes it may take an addition by subtraction,” Atkins said. “We haven't done much of that. We haven't subtracted from our major league teams. We have to be o]pen to all avenues.”[/b

After looking at the free-agent options at each position this week, we’ll finish things off with a peek at some impact players the Jays could attempt to trade for this winter.
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Post#32 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Nov 6, 2021 8:45 am

polo007 wrote:Mitchell: Examining potential off-season trade targets for the Blue Jays - TSN.ca

TORONTO — At this time of year, the focus for outsiders is on the free-agent market.

But before front offices truly start to hone in and gauge where those prices will go over the next few weeks, much of their internal attention is spent on the trade market, trying to figure out what possibilities exist on that front first.

Investigating the chances of shifting around redundant assets for already cost-controlled pieces to avoid paying the free-agent market premiums is where things usually start.

The Toronto Blue Jays could be dabbling in this area this winter.

From major-league trade chips such as Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Alejandro Kirk, Randal Grichuk, Danny Jansen and Ross Stripling, to prospect names like Jordan Groshans, Kevin Smith, Otto Lopez, Leo Jimenez and Sem Robberse, there’s no shortage of assets that could pique another team’s interest in trade talks, depending on the magnitude of the deal.


For the Jays, the shift towards using higher-end prospects as trade chips started at the trade deadline, but dealing Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson in exchange for a season and a half of José Berríos won’t be the end.

[b]This winter, however, it would not be surprising to see the Jays finally start to shift around some of their major-league pieces, something both GM Ross Atkins and president/CEO Mark Shapiro hinted at in their year-end availabilities last month.

“I'm not a believer that you have to sign anyone back — I’m a believer that you have to get better,” Shapiro said when asked about their top two free agents, Robbie Ray and Marcus Semien. “As I sit down with Ross and sit in on our meetings or preparation, there are multiple ways for that to happen. We'll have the resources to do it, both in young talent that we could trade and in payroll.”

Atkins doubled down on that assessment.

“Sometimes it may take an addition by subtraction,” Atkins said. “We haven't done much of that. We haven't subtracted from our major league teams. We have to be o]pen to all avenues.”[/b

After looking at the free-agent options at each position this week, we’ll finish things off with a peek at some impact players the Jays could attempt to trade for this winter.


It's looking like Rogers is going to slash payroll. Definitely not unexpected. Any chance they sell the team due to all the drama lately?
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Post#33 » by Schad » Sat Nov 6, 2021 10:48 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:It's looking like Rogers is going to slash payroll. Definitely not unexpected. Any chance they sell the team due to all the drama lately?


What? There is zero chance that we slash payroll. Absolutely none whatsoever.
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Post#39 » by Schad » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:06 am

Problem with Oakland's pitching is team control. Manaea and Bassitt are FAs after 2022, Montas after 2023. We don't really have the minor league resources and future payroll to be renting dudes if we're intending to keep the dudes we've already rented.
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