Nets v. Heat | 10.27.2021 @ 7:30 PM on YES

[Lamak]

team as a whole needs to be more aggressive, battling around the boards is always an issue for us Aldridge is good at this, offense needs to find rhythm shouldn't have to worry about stepping on each other's toes but there is a lack of ball handler with harden needing to score

[DarkXaero]

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Our problems pretty evident to me.

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

[ArksNetsSince99]

I always root for W’s but at this point I’m ok with any loosing streak as long as Nash gonna be fired and the sooner the better ( gives us more time to prepare for championship run )
We need a REAL coach , who’s not buddy-buddy with all the players , who holds players accountable and up to their standards , Nash is a disaster and like i said second round exit , he waits for Kyrie return and Harden getting better to bail him out , It’s not gonna happen

[MrDollarBills]

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Our problems pretty evident to me.

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

We gotta give Harden some time. Not having Kyrie also is hurting us more than I'd like to admit

[DarkXaero]

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

We gotta give Harden some time. Not having Kyrie also is hurting us more than I'd like to admit

I never understood people downplaying Kyrie's absence before start of season. That's an All NBA player and one of the ELITE shot creators in the entire league. Our offense is much worse without him. I'd argue our defense struggles too because Kyrie can be really active and a pest defensively when locked in.

[GTR11]

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

We gotta give Harden some time. Not having Kyrie also is hurting us more than I'd like to admit

I never understood people downplaying Kyrie's absence before start of season. That's an All NBA player and one of the ELITE shot creators in the entire league. Our offense is much worse without him. I'd argue our defense struggles too because Kyrie can be really active and a pest defensively when locked in.

I'd take about ten max players instead of Kyrie any day. That would've allowed us rest Harden and get his hami right instead playing russian roulette.

My main point was that there's witch hunting going on against Joe. Some real dumb trades and takes filled all over the web. Yet not one of the dumb **** noticed that his production dropped one's Kyrie went down and Harden being average role player. KD is a great player but he ain't playmaker and don't elevate others around him to another level like LBJ, Joker, Luka etc. Plain simple, Joe needs rhythm looks to be Joe, he ain't getting them. Our offense is stagnant for the most part and stats back that up. Entire team is struggling but agenda have been set.

I'm kind of pissed at Marks and Tsai for not extending Din and relying on flat earth azz. Yeah they got Patty, but they also knew Harden won't be 100% health going into season. It was given we'd have this s*** show coming.

[GTR11]

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This shouldn't be Joe taking it to the basket. We need Harden to get healthy. Last night I watched Duncan f***** Robinson checking him with no problem.

[GTR11]

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Our problems pretty evident to me.

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

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[therealbig3]

I mean yeah, other than KD, nobody is playing well. Some have played really, really bad (Griffin, Harden, and Harris come to mind).

Hard for me to blame the coaching for that. I also don't think it's a witchhunt to call out Joe...he let us down big time in the playoffs, and now he's continuing to play awful. At a time when we really need him to step up, with Harden playing like garbage and Kyrie being absent.

[Hello Brooklyn]

If Harris keeps playing like garbage its time to bench him. Nash is giving him way too long of a leash.

I would seriously look at playing guys like Cam Thomas, Edwards or Duke Jr. Hell even give Sharpe some run.

There is no reason not to see what we have with these young guys this early in the season. Especially with Harrs/Carter/Harden playing like crap.

[Pablo Escobar]

No excuse for Harden to be fat and out of shape. Rehab doesn't mean you can come in fat.

[MrDollarBills]

If Harris keeps playing like garbage its time to bench him. Nash is giving him way too long of a leash.

I would seriously look at playing guys like Cam Thomas, Edwards or Duke Jr. Hell even give Sharpe some run.

There is no reason not to see what we have with these young guys this early in the season. Especially with Harrs/Carter/Harden playing like crap.

I thought Harris took a step in the right direction last night despite scoring 15pts on 15 shots. But I understand your frustration. I'm pissed too.

[MrDollarBills]

Why didn't you post stats about Nic, Blake etc players too, it's out there. Very fitting for most Nets fans these days to go with populistic agenda.

Until Harden gets healthy them numbers won't be pretty period. Joe is above average 3 pt specialist, he also role player, which means he needs to be a beneficiary.

You know what most meaningful Stat most Nets fans avoid to say? Kyrie logged 0 min while collecting half a mil.

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

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This is really bad. KD isn't getting any help.

[GTR11]

I mean I haven't praised either Blake or Claxton, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Harden and Joe a far bigger part of this team than those guys. I've been repeatedly saying that we have an efficiency/3pt shooting problem. Last year when we struggled, we were still scoring points with ease but unable to defend. Right now, our offense a bigger problem than our defense.

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This is really bad. KD isn't getting any help.

We got role players that above average or elite level. Key word is ROLE PLAYERS, that's what most Nets fan don't understand. Than without comprehending entire situation they being misled by media and trolls. It's sad seeing how badly quality of the Nets fan base dropped.

This team is guard driven. They engin of the team, our coach two time mvp point guard who seem not know how to run team other way. Combination of losing Din in free agency, Kyrie being antivax and Harden playing on one leg is the result of this crap show. Plain and simple, we need guard who can make plays for this role guys, until than we not going to be a good team.

[Prokorov]

its pretty simple. Harden has been a net negative through 5 games. he is usually an enormous net positive.

other guys are also negatives, but a lot of that is these are role guys who rely on harden to breakdown the D to get them shots. So i think him rising back to normal levels will solve a lot of problems.

Another thing on harden. its not like he just showed up and sucked:

1) in our first 5 games, we played the top 3 teams in the conference (Bucks, sixers, Heat).
2) There is a new rule change that basically targets him he needs to adjust to
3) He couldnt play close to full speed in the summer cause he was rehabbing his hamstring (rust/conditioning will be slow)

It is somewhat expected he would struggle to some degree and playing really good teams only adds to that. I still have 0 concern on him, and really on Joe/Claxton as well.

We get Indy/Detroit/Hawks/Indy/raptors the next 5. we coudl be 6-4 or 7-3 after that stretch and feeling a whole lot better.
Hopefully Nash also fixes some of the obvious not working rotation stuff.

[Prokorov]

2) I dont really care much about getting outrebounded. But when its this one sided, maybe you dont go ultra small with millsap at center.Milsap wasnt bad, but bring blake back in Did he even play in the 4th at all?) to give some size and bulk.

We got out scored 31 to 4 on 2nd chance opportunities. Getting outrebounded by 20 absolutely had a lot to do with why we got beat the way that we did. Guy have to start boxing out and stop losing track of opposing players when the ball goes up in the air. It's ridiculous.

I dont think your going to rebound when you go ultra small at center with milsap and switch. can ask mills and harris to box out Bam/Dedmon with no big on the floor.

I agree it was a big reason we lost, cause it was to an extreme. but overall im fine giving up 16 or so second chance points a night. We gain twice tha with advantages of going small

[DarkXaero]

its pretty simple. Harden has been a net negative through 5 games. he is usually an enormous net positive.

other guys are also negatives, but a lot of that is these are role guys who rely on harden to breakdown the D to get them shots. So i think him rising back to normal levels will solve a lot of problems.

Another thing on harden. its not like he just showed up and sucked:

1) in our first 5 games, we played the top 3 teams in the conference (Bucks, sixers, Heat).
2) There is a new rule change that basically targets him he needs to adjust to
3) He couldnt play close to full speed in the summer cause he was rehabbing his hamstring (rust/conditioning will be slow)

It is somewhat expected he would struggle to some degree and playing really good teams only adds to that. I still have 0 concern on him, and really on Joe/Claxton as well.

We get Indy/Detroit/Hawks/Indy/raptors the next 5. we coudl be 6-4 or 7-3 after that stretch and feeling a whole lot better.
Hopefully Nash also fixes some of the obvious not working rotation stuff.

I agree with most of this. The role player struggles can be attributed directly to Harden's own struggles. I think Harden of last season (MVP candidate) would fix 80-90% of our current issues.

[DarkXaero]

2) I dont really care much about getting outrebounded. But when its this one sided, maybe you dont go ultra small with millsap at center.Milsap wasnt bad, but bring blake back in Did he even play in the 4th at all?) to give some size and bulk.

We got out scored 31 to 4 on 2nd chance opportunities. Getting outrebounded by 20 absolutely had a lot to do with why we got beat the way that we did. Guy have to start boxing out and stop losing track of opposing players when the ball goes up in the air. It's ridiculous.

I dont think your going to rebound when you go ultra small at center with milsap and switch. can ask mills and harris to box out Bam/Dedmon with no big on the floor.

I agree it was a big reason we lost, cause it was to an extreme. but overall im fine giving up 16 or so second chance points a night. We gain twice tha with advantages of going small

The problem wasn't the size as much as it was lazy boxing out and general lack of effort. Yeah, we would lose the rebounding battle anyways but it shouldn't have been that much of a disparity. There are clips of several of our defensive possessions from that game where we are just not boxing out well. Nash has repeatedly emphasized gang rebounding for this team since day one and we don't see it often enough, especially in regular season.

[MrDollarBills]

We got out scored 31 to 4 on 2nd chance opportunities. Getting outrebounded by 20 absolutely had a lot to do with why we got beat the way that we did. Guy have to start boxing out and stop losing track of opposing players when the ball goes up in the air. It's ridiculous.

I dont think your going to rebound when you go ultra small at center with milsap and switch. can ask mills and harris to box out Bam/Dedmon with no big on the floor.

I agree it was a big reason we lost, cause it was to an extreme. but overall im fine giving up 16 or so second chance points a night. We gain twice tha with advantages of going small

The problem wasn't the size as much as it was lazy boxing out and general lack of effort. Yeah, we would lose the rebounding battle anyways but it shouldn't have been that much of a disparity. There are clips of several of our defensive possessions from that game where we are just not boxing out well. Nash has repeatedly emphasized gang rebounding for this team since day one and we don't see it often enough, especially in regular season.

The defense we play, and the players' inability to know where they are supposed to be, is the #1 reason our defensive rebounding is trash:

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^here, it's hard for KD to box out two people because Brown didn't switch onto Tucker when he was supposed to.

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^who was guarding Jimmy Butler here on the switch? Mills? Doesn't matter though, I don't expect 6'2 Mills to box out 6'8 Butler. James Harden got caught ball watching after the shot.


Either way, what the hell was this team doing in training camp? They look lost.

[DarkXaero]

I dont think your going to rebound when you go ultra small at center with milsap and switch. can ask mills and harris to box out Bam/Dedmon with no big on the floor.

I agree it was a big reason we lost, cause it was to an extreme. but overall im fine giving up 16 or so second chance points a night. We gain twice tha with advantages of going small

The problem wasn't the size as much as it was lazy boxing out and general lack of effort. Yeah, we would lose the rebounding battle anyways but it shouldn't have been that much of a disparity. There are clips of several of our defensive possessions from that game where we are just not boxing out well. Nash has repeatedly emphasized gang rebounding for this team since day one and we don't see it often enough, especially in regular season.

The defense we play, and the players' inability to know where they are supposed to be, is the #1 reason our defensive rebounding is trash:

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^here, it's hard for KD to box out two people because Brown didn't switch onto Tucker when he was supposed to.

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^who was guarding Jimmy Butler here on the switch? Mills? Doesn't matter though, I don't expect 6'2 Mills to box out 6'8 Butler. James Harden got caught ball watching after the shot.


Either way, what the hell was this team doing in training camp? They look lost.

Like I've said, I'm not gonna blame our defensive scheme. If we play bigger (like first couple games) and don't switch as much, we'll be even worse. I'm fine with playing small and switching but guys really need to work harder to box out and gang rebound. All these clips you've posted, every single clip has a Nets player or two out of position. And while Blake & Millsap are active on the boards, you can often see LMA being sluggish and not showing the aggression to secure the rebound despite his size advantage.