Warriors v Grizzlies

[vagelis]

Wiggins is a below avg offensive player. he cant create , cant finish in open court and his 3 is inconsistent.

I disagree with you. Wiggins can create his own shot, he can drive to the rim at will.

Kerr said that too, 2 days ago.
"He’s our best guy in terms of attacking the rim, and getting into the paint."
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-he-s-best-guy-terms-attacking-rim-golden-state-warriors-head-coach-steve-kerr-andrew-wiggins-finally-big-night-season

Wiggins does that for Warriors even if he doesn't get screens. Driving to the rim without getting screens is difficult, but he is capable to do that. I think he should take some screens.

If he is our 2nd best offensive player we are screwed either way.

He is the 2d best offensive player of Warriors and and it is much better than having Poole or Lee as second best offensive players.
We are talking about a 26yo guy with 10500 NBA career points.
He just needs to be trusted a little bit more.

Poole 40.8 fg%, 22 3p%, 3.6 turn overs pg. It is like we see Oubre again.
Wiggins 47 fg%. 1.6 turnovers per game.

Poole with 54 touches per game, Wiggins with 40 touches per game.
How do you give so many touches to a player with so many turnovers like Poole?

[KevinMcreynolds]

We woulda had this game if Moody got some run

[SpreeChokeJob]

This game reeks of mental fragility. Poole and Lee will need to practice maintaining a lead. Steph and Draymond better learn not to turn the ball over.

Fatigue at this early stage of the season is an excuse plain and simple.

If players are tired, play the other guys, that's what a bench is for.

Trying to save Steph minutes led to him playing more minutes.

Still it is best to see these weaknesses now so they can be addressed rather than later when the team's hands are tied.

Poole is not making great decisions right now. Some early heaves for threes is great if he can make them, but if he misses the other team can push on a long rebound and I think the Grizzlies made back to back threes when they were out of rhythm before and shifted the momentum.

The way they play, they are bound to be fatigued. People make more errors when they are tired. You can see their energy levels fluctuate. Curry’s shots looked short near the end and maybe doesn’t have the legs near the end.

The bench has kept it close, the starters are out of juice to close.

[SpreeChokeJob]

But at this point it’s getting predictable. The adjustment Kerr is going to make is run out a starting lineup of 5 guards. Win that game and say look this works. Then first round bounce.

[TwoStarz]

That poster regarding Wiggins isn't that far off to be honest.

I'd much rather the ball in Wiggins hands, even if he takes some dumb long two's, than Poole's right now.

Sorry guys, but Poole has been an absolute disaster out there so far. He's turning it over far too much for being a scrub...At least wiggins doesn't hand the ball over to the other team.

Poole needs to be pulled from the starting line-up till he earns it back, if he ever does.

[tarantism]

Turnovers were the story for the game. It took Lee catching fire just to keep the game close down the stretch.

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[Sam Lowry Jr]

Aside from the sloppy turnovers, the non-Steph minutes really hurt us last night. Part of that has to do with the growing pains of Poole being a floor leader.

After last night’s game:

We obviously don’t have a true point guard out there on the second unit. Jordan is more of a scoring guard, which is one of the reasons we like to play Andre out there with him, to help him manage the game.

And we kind of saw that with Jordan pressing at times and turning the ball over in the lane a lot in the non-Curry minutes.

Backup pg was a need this past off season. The Warriors knew it with the Wannamaker experience last year and the decision to keep both GPII AND CC on the roster.

Sure the dynasty teams were able to make do with non-pg ballhandlers like Shaun, Iggy and Dray, but Iggy and Dray are much older now. Another thing is 34 year old Steph probably needs more load management through an 82 season than he would 5-6 years ago.

It’s a long season and might be a five game overreaction on my part, but I hope Poole develops into that dependable second unit stabilizer we will need to succeed.

[WESCO]

Thoughts / grade on Nemo last night?

I was thinking solid C+

[whatisacenter]

Aside from the sloppy turnovers, the non-Steph minutes really hurt us last night. Part of that has to do with the growing pains of Poole being a floor leader.

After last night’s game:

We obviously don’t have a true point guard out there on the second unit. Jordan is more of a scoring guard, which is one of the reasons we like to play Andre out there with him, to help him manage the game.

And we kind of saw that with Jordan pressing at times and turning the ball over in the lane a lot in the non-Curry minutes.

Backup pg was a need this past off season. The Warriors knew it with the Wannamaker experience last year and the decision to keep both GPII AND CC on the roster.

Sure the dynasty teams were able to make do with non-pg ballhandlers like Shaun, Iggy and Dray, but Iggy and Dray are much older now. Another thing is 34 year old Steph probably needs more load management through an 82 season than he would 5-6 years ago.

It’s a long season and might be a five game overreaction on my part, but I hope Poole develops into that dependable second unit stabilizer we will need to succeed.

Good points. The team wanted to address the backup PG spot in the offseason and were not able to do so for one reason or another.

Some of the turnovers are more acceptable than others. The lack of focus at times and the unforced errors are particularly frustrating to me.

[cpower]

Wiggins is a below avg offensive player. he cant create , cant finish in open court and his 3 is inconsistent.

I disagree with you. Wiggins can create his own shot, he can drive to the rim at will.

Kerr said that too, 2 days ago.
"He’s our best guy in terms of attacking the rim, and getting into the paint."
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-he-s-best-guy-terms-attacking-rim-golden-state-warriors-head-coach-steve-kerr-andrew-wiggins-finally-big-night-season

Wiggins does that for Warriors even if he doesn't get screens. Driving to the rim without getting screens is difficult, but he is capable to do that. I think he should take some screens.

If he is our 2nd best offensive player we are screwed either way.

He is the 2d best offensive player of Warriors and and it is much better than having Poole or Lee as second best offensive players.
We are talking about a 26yo guy with 10500 NBA career points.
He just needs to be trusted a little bit more.

Poole 40.8 fg%, 22 3p%, 3.6 turn overs pg. It is like we see Oubre again.
Wiggins 47 fg%. 1.6 turnovers per game.

Poole with 54 touches per game, Wiggins with 40 touches per game.
How do you give so many touches to a player with so many turnovers like Poole?

our 2nd best offensive player is putting up 54%TS and 23% on threes...well we are screwed.

[ILOVEIT]

we lost the game on 3rd. let them getting to close and Ja heated up. We need a reliable 2nd option clearly neither poole nor wiggins is providing that. Lee should take some of wiggins shot and let wiggins just shoot open threes its clear he cant create nor score when defense is focusing on him. Porter should take more threes i have no idea why Kerr dont play him more.

I wanted them to start Curry Wiggins Green Porter Looney. The only reason not to start Porter is he probably isn’t durable, but just play him less minutes to begin with. The starting lineup has less upside than with Poole but more stable. Porter’s three is more reliable.

Poole has played more like a sixth man anyways. But Kerr’s mindset is to always go small. Hell, I wouldn’t even mind see the same lineup with Bjelica instead of Looney, but Looney is in his contract year. Bjelica and Draymond have chemistry though.

With Bjelica Porter Green Wiggins Curry, the floor is completely spread. Should make things easier. The only reason not to play this lineup is if they can not run with smaller lineups. But I think these vets can hold their own against faster lineups because they can shoot.

Beats the hell of making Curry run around like a chicken with his head cut off. Just make the plays easier and reserve small ball at the end of games to close like what Grizzlies did yesterday to us. They started Adams first to wear the Warriors down then went for the knockout punch like this team used to do when they had Bogut.

This is it for me....bingo.

Really...why play Iggy ? He can't score....why have Draymond and Iggy in the game down the stretch when either can score and lately Draymond is a turnover machine.

Kerr overthought that game....kind of a choke.

[whatisacenter]

Plenty of blame to go around but Steph and Draymond have to cut down on the stupid turnovers. I know Poole was sloppy too but those two are vets who need to be able to run the show. Going back to the play-in games to end last season and the game last night Curry and Green have had a least 5 TO's each.

[osx28]

I think everything that's not Steph and Dray's unforced turnovers is just nitpicking. We could have had JP off the bench or bring curry in 2 minutes earlier in the 4th or whatever else, but didn't deserve to win a game with 22 stupid turnovers. I mean when was the last time we saw an 8 seconds violation????

[GQ Hot Dog]

Aside from the sloppy turnovers, the non-Steph minutes really hurt us last night. Part of that has to do with the growing pains of Poole being a floor leader.

After last night’s game:

We obviously don’t have a true point guard out there on the second unit. Jordan is more of a scoring guard, which is one of the reasons we like to play Andre out there with him, to help him manage the game.

And we kind of saw that with Jordan pressing at times and turning the ball over in the lane a lot in the non-Curry minutes.

Backup pg was a need this past off season. The Warriors knew it with the Wannamaker experience last year and the decision to keep both GPII AND CC on the roster.

Sure the dynasty teams were able to make do with non-pg ballhandlers like Shaun, Iggy and Dray, but Iggy and Dray are much older now. Another thing is 34 year old Steph probably needs more load management through an 82 season than he would 5-6 years ago.

It’s a long season and might be a five game overreaction on my part, but I hope Poole develops into that dependable second unit stabilizer we will need to succeed.

Insightful post.

I also have hopes that Poole can develop into a dependable ball handler but something I've noticed is that he's not a floor general in that he's not able to control the tempo of the game. I've seen him be effective with the ball in his hands both as a scorer and as a distributor but it's always as a reflection of the way the game's already going.

If Steph and Dray are playing well, playing hard and not making mistakes he can come in, take over their duties and continue with that success. But if those guys are playing too fast, out of control and being reckless and careless he comes in and plays the same way which is how you get games like last night where the three of them combined for an evenly distributed 16 turnovers.

What we still need and what Bob tried so hard to get this off season is a floor general to come off the bench that can bring a sense of poise and control and change the energy early in the 2nd and 4th quarters.

I understand why we drafted Wiseman and Kuminga. We need big athletes on this team which has been our most glaring deficiency for years now. But we also need that steady floor general which is why Ball and Mitchell would have been useful picks either year.

[510TWSS]

bummer of a game but we're still 4-1 great start. Get Poole going and reign in the careless turnovers. Still early in the season so something to watch out for but i'm hoping to see progress there. Ja is so good it's ridiculous. I felt he was gonna score every time he got the ball near the paint.

[Samurai]

We could have won this game with even just a reasonable facsimile of Klay.

[xdrta+]

We could have won this game with even just a reasonable facsimile of Klay.

They had a 19 point lead, they didn't need Klay. They just needed to hang onto the ball a few times instead of gift wrapping it to Memphis.

[Samurai]

We could have won this game with even just a reasonable facsimile of Klay.

They had a 19 point lead, they didn't need Klay. They just needed to hang onto the ball a few times instead of gift wrapping it to Memphis.

We needed some version of Klay in the 4th quarter, as well as OT. Just someone who could have hit a few three's late in the game.

[TB]

Grizz are a good team thats pretty fun to watch. And this one ultimately came down to the types of little things that the deserving team usually ends up doing to get the win... less bad turnovers, timely buckets late in the game, hit their FT's, etc.

Thats about it... I did think these 2 factors played pretty major roles as well:

- JJJ was way better than the boxscore. Altered tons of shots, caused turnovers, and his few shots made were at big moments.

- I actually think we needed a lot more GP2. He didn't completely shut down Ja first half, but he was making him work. 2nd half he almost got no minutes against Ja and then we wen't completely with Iggy at that spot. If anything, that was the Kerr blunder, not the ridiculous idea that he changed Curry rotation (he didn't).

[shazam_guy]

My conclusion: if they'd just let fans manage and coach the team, we'd never lose a game.

Easy fix. Fire all the professionals, crowdsource all strategy from the RealGM board. Why do they insist on this old-fashioned nonsense of coaches?