PG: We survived 4-1

[Clyde_Style]

Then we ultimately put the ball in Kemba, Rose, or RJs hands more down the stretch.

The concerning thing for me is that we can't get him cooking when teams play to his weaknesses. We have more options around him this year but ultimately we need to figure that out. Smaller, long defenders and, of course, doubles really flummox him on the perimeter. Can we get him in the post, where his vision is a little better or figure out some off ball screen action to get him space before he starts his move?

I mean, sham's right about the end game but until the right move presents itself we need to work with what we have better.

I've had a sneaking feeling that at times Randle is stat padding and if I'm right that bothers me because he doesn't need to having just gotten paid.

I'd add Fournier to your list of possible closers. You draw up a play for one of them, but with the option to pass since all of them can shoot. Thibs really has to move away from treating Randle like he's King Julius and make him one of the cogs again. Because that's how we will contend this season. If we become the most selfless team in the NBA this year we'll beat everyone. If not, we'll stumble and play much worse. And how Randle responds to pressure is key to unlocking that.

Other thing I'm feeling is RJ is going to be a much bigger deal this season which is good for everyone. Again, I hope Randle understands he's one of the guys now, not THE guy. I know RJ gets that. Kemba gets it. Rose gets it. Taj gets it. Evan does too. So Randle needs to adjust now.

Randle’s still the guy. And the winning record doesn’t demonstrate any need to adjust that. If they start losing they can talk about it. But he’s still the guy. He also had 9 assists, nobody else had more than 1 besides Kemba who had 2. I think he knows how to pass the ball

Numbers are nice, but they don't tell the whole story. We know there are two Randles.

[Clyde_Style]

You guys have a great team. Wanted to see your rookies Grimes and Mcbride but good game.

Backcourt of the future

[Clyde_Style]

Also, more time for Obi

Please Thibs, I'm begging you!

[JCS]

So many of you just don't deserve that team. Always spouting negativity, asking for players to be traded everytime they have a so-so game. You were all asking for RJ's head a couple days ago, now it's Randle.

Just enjoy the ride. Have you forgotten the last 20 years? We have an incredible team this year, playing hard every night, and winning games. Can't you see it?

[robillionaire]

I've had a sneaking feeling that at times Randle is stat padding and if I'm right that bothers me because he doesn't need to having just gotten paid.

I'd add Fournier to your list of possible closers. You draw up a play for one of them, but with the option to pass since all of them can shoot. Thibs really has to move away from treating Randle like he's King Julius and make him one of the cogs again. Because that's how we will contend this season. If we become the most selfless team in the NBA this year we'll beat everyone. If not, we'll stumble and play much worse. And how Randle responds to pressure is key to unlocking that.

Other thing I'm feeling is RJ is going to be a much bigger deal this season which is good for everyone. Again, I hope Randle understands he's one of the guys now, not THE guy. I know RJ gets that. Kemba gets it. Rose gets it. Taj gets it. Evan does too. So Randle needs to adjust now.

Randle’s still the guy. And the winning record doesn’t demonstrate any need to adjust that. If they start losing they can talk about it. But he’s still the guy. He also had 9 assists, nobody else had more than 1 besides Kemba who had 2. I think he knows how to pass the ball

Numbers are nice, but they don't tell the whole story. We know there are two Randles.

There’s 1 Randle but sometimes he’s making his shots and sometimes he’s not making shots. But has still been a consistent defender and pulled 16 reb and 9 ast even when his shot was off. He’s always a positive impact and averages twice as many assists (7) as the 2nd highest on the team Rose (3.4). He will once again be the lone all-star on this team, I can say that with near certainty

[GONYK]

Randle’s still the guy. And the winning record doesn’t demonstrate any need to adjust that. If they start losing they can talk about it. But he’s still the guy. He also had 9 assists, nobody else had more than 1 besides Kemba who had 2. I think he knows how to pass the ball

Numbers are nice, but they don't tell the whole story. We know there are two Randles.

There’s 1 Randle but sometimes he’s making his shots and sometimes he’s not making shots. But has still been a consistent defender and pulled 16 reb and 9 ast even when his shot was off. He’s always a positive impact and averages twice as many assists (7) as the 2nd highest on the team Rose (3.4). He will once again be the lone all-star on this team, I can say that with near certainty

I know people are down in Randle after the final 3 mins of yesterday's game, but he played really well before then.

His shot has been a little off for much of this season, but he's the only player in the NBA averaging 20/12/7 per game, even despite his struggles.

He's the engine and he's been a pretty good one while still figuring out how to play off our new weapons.

[nedleeds]

It's not on Randle. We have one of the 5 worst in game coaches in the league. He's so bad. The Boston game was a total cluster **** or clock management, predictable Woodson level iso-clogged toilet ball and laughable offense defense substitutions. Watching Kemba on one leg try to run and contest Smart was disgusting. Thibs is a bad in game coach, he's terrible. Maybe he's this preparation and motivational god but in the game he's a joke.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Mitch

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[GONYK]

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[cgf]

Gotta love some of the posts on the Bulls board..




'calls went the other way' says the guy whos team was getting gifted calls the last 3 mins to even make that comeback possible while the Knicks were getting hacked and no-call OKAYYYYYYYYY

Im definitely not touching the Bulls board lol but yes there’s no way you can watch that game and think the Bulls are definitively better especially since it took a collapse at the end to even make it a game. It was very much a Knicks dominating performance for most of the game.

Missing too many defensive rotations and giving up too many offensive rebounds is due to roster construction, not from anything that happened specifically in this game. Of course there's going to be a ton of missed rotations when your wings are Lavine and DeRozen. This was the stuff everyone was worried about when they looked at their roster and you can't act surprised when that happens in game. Maybe they would have rebounded better if Pwill didn't get hurt but it's not like Vucevic is an elite in that department either. Also Lavine went off in the first half and we still had the lead. So it's not like they just missed shots.

DeMar & Vuc are liabilities, but Lavine has turned himself into a good defender.

[robillionaire]

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Mitch had 6 reb. Fake news media propping him up!

[Clyde_Style]

Numbers are nice, but they don't tell the whole story. We know there are two Randles.

There’s 1 Randle but sometimes he’s making his shots and sometimes he’s not making shots. But has still been a consistent defender and pulled 16 reb and 9 ast even when his shot was off. He’s always a positive impact and averages twice as many assists (7) as the 2nd highest on the team Rose (3.4). He will once again be the lone all-star on this team, I can say that with near certainty

I know people are down in Randle after the final 3 mins of yesterday's game, but he played really well before then.

His shot has been a little off for much of this season, but he's the only player in the NBA averaging 20/12/7 per game, even despite his struggles.

He's the engine and he's been a pretty good one while still figuring out how to play off our new weapons.

I've been half glass full guy 95% of the time so I'll trust the process.

[Oscirus]

derozen was a childhood fav of rj's, he knew his move lolz

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[HEZI]

The thing with Randle having off nights this season is we have more guys stepping up which allows us to still come out on top despite Randle being off. Kemba, Fournier, DRose, RJ, Obi, Burks have all stepped and contributed

[GONYK]

There’s 1 Randle but sometimes he’s making his shots and sometimes he’s not making shots. But has still been a consistent defender and pulled 16 reb and 9 ast even when his shot was off. He’s always a positive impact and averages twice as many assists (7) as the 2nd highest on the team Rose (3.4). He will once again be the lone all-star on this team, I can say that with near certainty

I know people are down in Randle after the final 3 mins of yesterday's game, but he played really well before then.

His shot has been a little off for much of this season, but he's the only player in the NBA averaging 20/12/7 per game, even despite his struggles.

He's the engine and he's been a pretty good one while still figuring out how to play off our new weapons.

I've been half glass full guy 95% of the time so I'll trust the process.

Not really talking about you specifically. I just think a lot of Julius' play is getting lost in translation a bit because his shot isn't falling.

Not to mention he's too outwardly frustrated and it affects his game.

I think that's why Thibs made a point to go to bat for Randle last night. To also remind him to trust the process.

[K_ick_God]

Thibs has completely reinvented the offense. Genius is understatement on this guy.

[Knicksfan1992]

I know people are down in Randle after the final 3 mins of yesterday's game, but he played really well before then.

His shot has been a little off for much of this season, but he's the only player in the NBA averaging 20/12/7 per game, even despite his struggles.

He's the engine and he's been a pretty good one while still figuring out how to play off our new weapons.

I've been half glass full guy 95% of the time so I'll trust the process.

Not really talking about you specifically. I just think a lot of Julius' play is getting lost in translation a bit because his shot isn't falling.

Not to mention he's too outwardly frustrated and it affects his game.

I think that's why Thibs made a point to go to bat for Randle last night. To also remind him to trust the process.

Right now he's basically Jokic without his usual efficiency.... If the shot comes around and he continues to pass, rebound and play defense like this he's easily top 15 IMO.

The question is and always will be how quickly do we have to pull a trigger to get a true number 1 in here with him? Until he proves he can score efficiently and consistently in this role against top comp. that's always going to be a concern.

[cgf]

I know Julius's shot was off, but his passing was exceptionally sharp. A lot of the time I feel like Julius picks up unnecessary turnovers & misses out on assists just because his passing skills aren't as good as his vision, so guys end up having to chase his passes too often. But last night he was throwing f***in lasers.

If his passing ever becomes that sharp on more nights than not, that'll unlock another level to our entire offense.

[GONYK]

I've been half glass full guy 95% of the time so I'll trust the process.

Not really talking about you specifically. I just think a lot of Julius' play is getting lost in translation a bit because his shot isn't falling.

Not to mention he's too outwardly frustrated and it affects his game.

I think that's why Thibs made a point to go to bat for Randle last night. To also remind him to trust the process.

Right now he's basically Jokic without his usual efficiency.... If the shot comes around and he continues to pass, rebound and play defense like this he's easily top 15 IMO.

The question is and always will be how quickly do we have to pull a trigger to get a true number 1 in here with him? Until he proves he can score efficiently and consistently in this role against top comp. that's always going to be a concern.

Yea, if Julius could score efficiently on top of everything else he's doing, he's a bonafide franchise talent. That's not an easy ask though.

I think we don't pull the trigger for a true #1 until the right deal is available. I don't think this FO is going to force the issue, especially since we have Julius under contract.

[Iron Mantis]

would the correct way to refer to lonzo be as ben simmons with a better shot and worst defense?

Yes, Bizarro world Simmons.

Simmons will not shoot a 3; Ball is among the best.

Ball can't slash and attack the rim; Simmons is among the best.