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Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3)

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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#161 » by Garbanzo » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:47 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
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Jaqua92 wrote:We don't find a shooter/game changer and keep Smart.

Smart as the starting PG is such an issue. Teams will let him beat them, and fail. Meanwhile, our entitled super stars have to work twice as hard, and probably are indifferent.

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Rondo was running the point in his second year in the league, with no outside shot at all and no offensive game.
It was enough for a championship.

Last year - PJ Tucker played over 30 min a night and scord 4 (!) points a game in the suns series. Same as his stats in the playoffs.
Yikes. Rondo was an elite defender as a guard. Was a much much smarter player than Smart. Was not just a better passer, better playmaker, better ball handler, better driver, but he was elite. In all of those categories. Could he shoot? No. But 2nd year Rondo is a much much better player than Smart ever was.

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2nd year rondo was not a better passer. He had problems getting into the paint, because teams sagged off of him. He was also not as good as Smart defensively in his second year. Not even close. He was a better playmaker and smarter, that's for sure.
Anyway I don't understand why are you arguing. Yes, Smart is an offensive liability.. But teams can win having offensive liabilities like smart. Not only win (like Utah), but can win it all (so many examples).

There is a problem with the team's chemistry and effort since Irving arrived.
That's the problem.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#162 » by Jaqua92 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:58 am

Garbanzo wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
Garbanzo wrote:
Rondo was running the point in his second year in the league, with no outside shot at all and no offensive game.
It was enough for a championship.

Last year - PJ Tucker played over 30 min a night and scord 4 (!) points a game in the suns series. Same as his stats in the playoffs.
Yikes. Rondo was an elite defender as a guard. Was a much much smarter player than Smart. Was not just a better passer, better playmaker, better ball handler, better driver, but he was elite. In all of those categories. Could he shoot? No. But 2nd year Rondo is a much much better player than Smart ever was.

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2nd year rondo was not a better passer. He had problems getting into the paint, because teams sagged off of him. He was also not as good as Smart defensively in his second year. Not even close. He was a better playmaker and smarter, that's for sure.
Anyway I don't understand why are you arguing. Yes, Smart is an offensive liability.. But teams can win having offensive liabilities like smart. Not only win (like Utah), but can win it all (so many examples).

There is a problem with the team's chemistry and effort since Irving arrived.
That's the problem.
We know there's a problem with chemistry. Smart is part of the problem.

There isn't any argument. I'm just pointing out your comparison is not sound. As second year Rondo was a better player than Smart ever was. And he absolutely was a better passer. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#163 » by Red2 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:57 pm

I’ve been saying this for a while but lets not underestimate the impact of Wyc on our roster. Fournier is yet another example in a long line of decisions that have been made purely for financial reasons and not for talent/basketball reasons.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#164 » by jfs1000d » Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:22 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
Garbanzo wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:Yikes. Rondo was an elite defender as a guard. Was a much much smarter player than Smart. Was not just a better passer, better playmaker, better ball handler, better driver, but he was elite. In all of those categories. Could he shoot? No. But 2nd year Rondo is a much much better player than Smart ever was.

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2nd year rondo was not a better passer. He had problems getting into the paint, because teams sagged off of him. He was also not as good as Smart defensively in his second year. Not even close. He was a better playmaker and smarter, that's for sure.
Anyway I don't understand why are you arguing. Yes, Smart is an offensive liability.. But teams can win having offensive liabilities like smart. Not only win (like Utah), but can win it all (so many examples).

There is a problem with the team's chemistry and effort since Irving arrived.
That's the problem.
We know there's a problem with chemistry. Smart is part of the problem.

There isn't any argument. I'm just pointing out your comparison is not sound. As second year Rondo was a better player than Smart ever was. And he absolutely was a better passer. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

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Second year rondo was barely a starter. Eddie House came in late. Come on guys.

Rondo was elite in 2010. It in 2008.


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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#165 » by Jaqua92 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:01 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
Garbanzo wrote: 2nd year rondo was not a better passer. He had problems getting into the paint, because teams sagged off of him. He was also not as good as Smart defensively in his second year. Not even close. He was a better playmaker and smarter, that's for sure.
Anyway I don't understand why are you arguing. Yes, Smart is an offensive liability.. But teams can win having offensive liabilities like smart. Not only win (like Utah), but can win it all (so many examples).

There is a problem with the team's chemistry and effort since Irving arrived.
That's the problem.
We know there's a problem with chemistry. Smart is part of the problem.

There isn't any argument. I'm just pointing out your comparison is not sound. As second year Rondo was a better player than Smart ever was. And he absolutely was a better passer. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

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Second year rondo was barely a starter. Eddie House came in late. Come on guys.

Rondo was elite in 2010. It in 2008.


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Rondo was a starter in 08 and his passing took a leap that year.

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Re: Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3) 

Post#166 » by Garbanzo » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:40 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:We know there's a problem with chemistry. Smart is part of the problem.

There isn't any argument. I'm just pointing out your comparison is not sound. As second year Rondo was a better player than Smart ever was. And he absolutely was a better passer. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

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Second year rondo was barely a starter. Eddie House came in late. Come on guys.

Rondo was elite in 2010. It in 2008.


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Rondo was a starter in 08 and his passing took a leap that year.

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Yeah.. A huge leap to 5 per game..
I've watched almost every game in that season. Teams were sagging off of Rondo, using his defender in what was then midrange oriented game, to help guarding Pierce and Allen's peekaboo oriented offense.

And just as jfs1000d wrote, Eddie House was the one playing in the end of games.
Rondo was hurting the offense and couldn't even hit his free throws.

By the way, as we speak, miami is up 11 over Charlotte. Tucker 1-5 (2 points), Lowry 2-9 (4 points), Robinson 4-14 (10 points).
Offense isn't everything

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