Pat Williams Discussion - Out 4-6 Mo (late Feb to late April)

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I’m totally opposed to trading yet another 1st rounder for a Pat replacement.

We played four bad teams and got smacked by the first real one. Can we make sure this roster is good first?

Got smacked? We played like **** and lost by one point against a team playing the October Super Bowl.
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They controlled that game until we went on a run in the final 2 minutes. Sometimes the final score doesn’t tell the story.

Also, I don’t know what “a team playing the October Super Bowl” means. Are we faulting a team that routinely plays hard, for playing hard?

[OldSchoolNoBull]

I am learning a lot about the posters here as I read the reactions to PWill's devastating injury. He may well never play basketball again. He may be disabled for life. Yes, it's that serious. Get your heads and hearts right, friends.

I get from what I'm reading that it's a very serious injury, and that its effects may be with him for a long time, but I haven't yet seen anyone suggest that it could be career-ending.

Like I said, I feel terrible for him and wish him the best and speediest of recoveries. Like others have said though, I'm not sure how much this hurts us this season beyond a depth perspective. Perhaps the biggest effect this season might be that if he had played well, he could've been used as a trade chip at the deadline for an all-in move, and that seems like it's gone now.

But I think the overriding feeling of everyone here is that we feel terrible for him, that we hope he makes a full recovery and has a good NBA career, and that the Bulls/AKME/Donovan can find an adequate way of dealing with this on-court.

[bad knees]

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@BobbyMarks42: For Chicago to be granted a Disabled Player Exception ($3.7M), the league would need to deem Williams out until mid-June.

Chicago is $3M below the luxury tax and would need to waive a player in order to open up a roster spot. https://t.co/FzFLNyY8cx

Yeah, we're not getting a DPE

FWIW, this is the most serious wrist injury you can have. The likelihood that PWill might be ready to play by June is next to zero. He may well never play basketball again. The playoffs timetable is just smoke. So, yeah, I think the Bulls end up with a DPE.

The bigger issue, in terms of acquiring players, is the lux tax. Bulls already have a $5M TPE from the Theis deal to use on a player, so adding another $3.7 M exception is not really significant.

[bad knees]

I am learning a lot about the posters here as I read the reactions to PWill's devastating injury. He may well never play basketball again. He may be disabled for life. Yes, it's that serious. Get your heads and hearts right, friends.

I get from what I'm reading that it's a very serious injury, and that its effects may be with him for a long time, but I haven't yet seen anyone suggest that it could be career-ending.

Like I said, I feel terrible for him and wish him the best and speediest of recoveries. Like others have said though, I'm not sure how much this hurts us this season beyond a depth perspective. Perhaps the biggest effect this season might be that if he had played well, he could've been used as a trade chip at the deadline for an all-in move, and that seems like it's gone now.

But I think the overriding feeling of everyone here is that we feel terrible for him, that we hope he makes a full recovery and has a good NBA career, and that the Bulls/AKME/Donovan can find an adequate way of dealing with this on-court.

Thanks. Suggest you, and everyone, do some reading on perilunate disclocations.

[panthermark]

That sucks for Pat...I do hope he spends this time studying film like a demon. Hopefully he does not have nerve damage.

As for the Bulls.....if we are honest, Lavine, DD, Ball, Vuc, Caruso all rank higher on the "please don't get hurt list". Pat is sorta at Green's level right now....and Coby is might be slightly above Green...maybe.

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I hope he is declared out long enough to get a DPE...OR....he heels fast enough to be back a before the regular season ends.

The timetable for this injury is all over the place. With surgery...6 months to a year to fully recover.

[Payt10]

I don't think Patrick Williams is going to have a very long NBA career, and it pains me to say this. His disposition has been such a major turn off since the day he arrived in Chicago. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you lack a competitive spirit out there on the court, I don't see many scenarios where you're going to get very far in this league, and I think that's where I'm at right now with Williams.

I feel bad for the kid, but I don't think this affects the Bulls ceiling this season at all, sadly.

Funny enough, I did think of Boylen when I said that, but it doesn't make what I said any less true. You can't succeed at this level if you don't play hard.

[biggestbullsfan]

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He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

[panthermark]

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He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

I was just saying the same thing in a different thread, and this topic my deserve its own thread.

Is BD (or the FO) too obsessed with small ball?

[biggestbullsfan]

Pat might have had a life changing injury last night and the fact that y’all are still talking about his play this year is disturbing. He may never see another nba game. Let not forget there are ppl in those uniforms with families and dreams.

[kulaz3000]

This injury seems a lot more significant than originally report which is just devastating for Patrick.

It’s just so ironic that we have all just wanted him to be aggressive, and on his most aggressive move of the season, he gets clobbered over the head and suffers a season ending injury.

Just really sucks for him, as a person, despite his play. I hope he comes back better than ever, but I think there is a high a chance when he does come back, he will not he a Chicago Bull and start anew elsewhere.

[biggestbullsfan]

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He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

I was just saying the same thing in a different thread, and this topic my deserve its own thread.

Is BD (or the FO) too obsessed with small ball?

They are making a team for the new look nba. Which is fine, but you have to be able to counter when a team throws something at you like this. Teams will go big against us. We already rebound badly. This will only enhance it. Bring in big bodies!

[Ctownbulls]

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He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

I was just saying the same thing in a different thread, and this topic my deserve its own thread.

Is BD (or the FO) too obsessed with small ball?

No. They just did a massive roster overhaul in one offseason. You can't go from **** to a perfect roster overnight. I am sure they evaluated everything and they felt their best option was to give up size for athleticism. If there was an opportunity to go bigger that they felt would be better than the current roster I am sure they would have done so.

[DeseanPrince]

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He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

I was just saying the same thing in a different thread, and this topic my deserve its own thread.

Is BD (or the FO) too obsessed with small ball?

Seems to be the case. Didn’t want to play Bradley until he was backed into a corner with Pat hurt and Bradley actually looked solid as a drop coverage defender, rim protector and rebounder. Small sample size but it’s not like he’s food or something, frustrating that Billy didn’t play him until then when we’ve gotten out rebounded by 36 the last two games.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Really bad bad injury... good thing is only he is young and young bones recover better and faster. Get well asap PWill!

This means that Derrick Jones jr. will now get rotation minutes for sure, maybe even as starter. More minutes for Alize, Green and Jones, they will rotate depending on opponent. But I think Bulls need to be active now on free agents or for trades. We needed bigger PF before anyway, now we should finally go after him, someone taller than 6'9 and capable defender.

[bad knees]

He clearly doesn’t see size as an issue. Which is a problem imo. Can’t have Lonzo holding their best players going forward. Especially if their a PF.

I was just saying the same thing in a different thread, and this topic my deserve its own thread.

Is BD (or the FO) too obsessed with small ball?

They are making a team for the new look nba. Which is fine, but you have to be able to counter when a team throws something at you like this. Teams will go big against us. We already rebound badly. This will only enhance it. Bring in big bodies!

I wouldn't expect Billy to be overtly talking about trades at this time, even if AKME were feverishly working the phones. Doing so is neither good locker room politics nor good negotiating strategy. For now, it's "next man up." AKME will take action when a good deal is on the table.

[MGB8]

Jay Williams... Derrick Rose... now Pat...

For a superstitious person...

[panthermark]

Jay Williams... Derrick Rose... now Pat...

For a superstitious person...

[BahamaBull]

Mannnnn thats sucks!

Get well soon PAW...

I dont think it affects the team a lot this season, because he never impacted anything, but sure does in his development Cant believe it...The dude even shoot and hit his free throws and hours later hes out of the season...WTF?!??!

[Jo Jo English]

It's bad enough that this throws a monkey wrench into our 2021-22 season and sets back the development of an important young player, but reading about the severity of the injury has added an entirely different level of concern I didn't have when hearing the news initially.

Here's to hoping that regardless of his basketball career, Pat recovers and isn't left with any lifelong lingering issues from this. Good luck, kid.

[The Force.]

So uh does Mitchell Robinson catch any flack for this? He potential ended a guy’s career with a flagrant foul.


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