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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#581 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:20 am

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Firstoff Knicks may seemingly need to trade Burks. Old but playstyle isnt that vetty that rookies can learn from.


Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#582 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:22 am

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Thibs hanging out with his inner circle. Notably RJ and Mitch were not invited. Curious! Something to keep an eye out for at the trade deadline. Thanks Asshola.


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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#583 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:24 am

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They're saying us and Golden State are the super teams, and they're trying not to build that many super teams

Who's they? The knicks getting complimented is like searching for water in the Mohave desert - we thristy!

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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#584 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:26 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Funniest thing are Bulls fans making excuses like they have an actual big three instead of an Isiah Thomas big three


Their big 3 is good enough most nights but against tougher teams they probably will fold. But lets not shortsell here Bulls are still a good team.


I'll use quoting you to make my final game observation.

The Bulls staring 5 is good. I'd say before Williams got hurt, it's even with the Knicks. Just in a different way.

However, while the Bulls bench isn't bad, and has a few good players, the Knicks bench is noticeably better.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#585 » by NYKat » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:33 am

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Adelheid wrote:
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Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.


^^^This

Also I’m not feeling the knee jerk thinking of fans who are quick to bench a proven vet, after they miss three in a row, for a rook who’s done Jack sh*t in the league…

This is the type of thinking that gets you the Dave Fizdale type rotations we suffered through a couple years back.

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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#586 » by cgf » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:37 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.

Nah, Thibs ruined Obi and now he's ruining Grimes. You know that the only reason RJ & Mitch are starting is because Leon ordered him too.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#587 » by cgmw » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:44 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.

Nah, Thibs ruined Obi and now he's ruining Grimes. You know that the only reason RJ & Mitch are starting is because Leon ordered him too.

How is any of this news?

The only thing I find surprising is that it’s nearly 2022 and Knick fans still act shocked and outraged when the team favors journeymen vets over rookies. The trend goes back way before Thibs and will last way after he’s gone.

Luckily for Grimes and Deuce, the dudes in front of them are old and injury prone (while playing for an absolute maniac madman). Also IQ has maybe 10 more games to slump before Thibs benches his sophomore ass.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#588 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:45 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.
How'd that work out again?

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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#589 » by KnixinSix » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:48 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:Funniest thing are Bulls fans making excuses like they have an actual big three instead of an Isiah Thomas big three


Their big 3 is good enough most nights but against tougher teams they probably will fold. But lets not shortsell here Bulls are still a good team.


I'll use quoting you to make my final game observation.

The Bulls staring 5 is good. I'd say before Williams got hurt, it's even with the Knicks. Just in a different way.

However, while the Bulls bench isn't bad, and has a few good players, the Knicks bench is noticeably better.


And the Knicks are likely better coached.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#590 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:29 am

Adelheid wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
Firstoff Knicks may seemingly need to trade Burks. Old but playstyle isnt that vetty that rookies can learn from.


Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


If IQ doesn't improve his play off the bench on a consistent basis, then I can see Grimes taking his minutes. Thibs is in no rush to make changes on a reactionary basis. He's going to take his time and assess the situation concerning IQ, Grimes, and Deuce. I think that can be a fluid situation as the year progresses.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#591 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:37 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.
How'd that work out again?

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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#592 » by Besart19 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:54 am

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c'mon man :lol:

people will take words and spin it on twitter, you gotta be extra careful with what you say.


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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#593 » by Im Coming Home » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:04 am

god shammgod wrote:
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god shammgod wrote:
c'mon man :lol:

people will take words and spin it on twitter, you gotta be extra careful with what you say.


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that damn melo generation....
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#594 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:09 am

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KnixinSix wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:Funniest thing are Bulls fans making excuses like they have an actual big three instead of an Isiah Thomas big three


Their big 3 is good enough most nights but against tougher teams they probably will fold. But lets not shortsell here Bulls are still a good team.


I'll use quoting you to make my final game observation.

The Bulls staring 5 is good. I'd say before Williams got hurt, it's even with the Knicks. Just in a different way.

However, while the Bulls bench isn't bad, and has a few good players, the Knicks bench is noticeably better.


I think they have talent. I hate the fit. Hence the Isiah Thomas Big 3 moniker. It's not a real big 3. It's just a mishmash of offensive talent with some Jared Jeffries type scrubs being brought in to try and fill in holes. Scratch that. I think there's a ceiling to the talent they brought in. It ain't nothing for Bulls fans to be cocky about, though.

Lonzo Ball impressed me though. He ain't a star, but he displayed good toughness last game in defending Randle.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#595 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:23 am

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cgf wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.

Nah, Thibs ruined Obi and now he's ruining Grimes. You know that the only reason RJ & Mitch are starting is because Leon ordered him too.

How is any of this news?

The only thing I find surprising is that it’s nearly 2022 and Knick fans still act shocked and outraged when the team favors journeymen vets over rookies. The trend goes back way before Thibs and will last way after he’s gone.

Luckily for Grimes and Deuce, the dudes in front of them are old and injury prone (while playing for an absolute maniac madman). Also IQ has maybe 10 more games to slump before Thibs benches his sophomore ass.


Guess we should get rid of: Rose\Kemba\Noel\Taj\Fournier\Burks and possibly Randle, since he's already played over 7 seasons.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#596 » by stuporman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:12 am

That play with Mitch and PWill was not Mitch's fault, you can see PWill use his off arm to swat away Mitch's arm so instead of him getting to the ball his hand comes down under Williams arm and onto the face.

Read on Twitter


It's truly unfortunate Williams got hurt but it's not Mitch being dirty, he was going for ball and was prevented from getting to it.
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Post#597 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:30 am

Kampuchea wrote:Damn, Bulls fans want Mitch to pay the price and be suspended. One post said they should try to injure RJ to get us back. I didn’t think it was even intentional, just seemed Williams got up more than Mitch thought he would and he landed awkwardly.

Excuse the late night burst of anger but I'm feeling pretty frustrated with Bulls fans on this board. PWill gets injured after taking a palm to the face from a 7ft goon, nowhere in the vicinity of the ball, and we're like hey Knicks fans great game, duhhh doopity dooo. Nah man, F that, someone needs to take an elbow to RJ's dome piece. And how about we try to show some more loyalty to the players on our team who are sweating and bleeding on the court???


unspeakably dumb thing to say. Mitch is not injuring someone on purpose. Guy should get his head examined for those headhunting comments
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#598 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:36 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Actually, I think guys like IQ, Grimes and RJ can learn a lot from Burks.

I don't think Burks is great; he's ok. Ok to good. He's uneven. But when he plays well, which is like 2 out of every 3 games, he plays the right way. He'll attack the basket a little, makes his shots, playmakes some. He's actually a useful NBA player.
That's why when the Knicks bundle him with Noel, they'll be able to move them. Because they aren't long term contracts, especially next year, and they don't suck.


What Burks can teach, Rose/Kemba and Evan can teach better. There are too many vets already in this team the rooks have fallen into obscurity.


I know everyone loves the young guys in theory. That was fine when the Knicks sucked. This team is trying to win the maximum number of games. Not all development means the young guys have to play a lot, a little and all the time, at all, or particularly, right away.

Let's go and give Grimes X amount of games/practices to earn the spot, get experience etc. Sure, it's annoying that Thibs rides the vets a bit TOO much, but I've come around to the idea that if guys are good enough, regardless of age, he plays them.

When Grimes is ready, he'll take Burks spot. Might take a year.

Not all development is throwing guys out there for 25 minutes a game they don't deserve, like was done for Knox.


Thibs respects hard work and guys who go at it in scrimmages. You lack that extra gear in practice you're not going to play. It explains both Knox and IQ, respectively. If Grimey Deuce give everything they've got they'll get their shot.
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#599 » by aggo » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:41 am

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aggo wrote:we should trade for Myles Turner.


Mitch + Obi

get this garbage outta here bro.

we're 4-1, not 1-4.

Ur scared to win
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Re: PG: We survived 4-1 

Post#600 » by The KnicksFix » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:49 am

aggo wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
aggo wrote:we should trade for Myles Turner.


Mitch + Obi

get this garbage outta here bro.

we're 4-1, not 1-4.

Ur scared to win


chilllllll, we aint tryna see no myles turner bro lol

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