2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[Peregrine01]

Warriors #1 problem so far has been Poole not coming close to his pre-season promise and so the team has no secondary guard creator worth a hoot.

Feels like he lost his confidence a bit after the Clippers game and has since been playing not to make mistakes instead of trying to make plays.

[eminence]

Also, wtf Paschall, lol.

[falcolombardi]

Warriors #1 problem so far has been Poole not coming close to his pre-season promise and so the team has no secondary guard creator worth a hoot.

they are still scoring well, albeit too depending on curry

a less noticed problem is that their defense has been fairly mediocre 5 games in compared to last year which was strong

but again 5 games sample

Ehh, no deep dive on their competition, but so far the offense is #14 and the defense is #7. Even the two games where the defense wasn't performing great (LAC/SAC) it stepped up in the 4th and clamped down to get the wins when the offense went a bit cold.

they have allowed a league average (so far)107 points which is technically a big dive from their 2021 defense although is useless cause of the sample size

that was with some rough offensive teams like oklahoma and game 1 lakers, Memphis which was an average offense last year amd 2 strong offenses like clippers and kings so i dont think their schedule has been thay tough for their D

albeit again, we are too early to even know which teams are actually good offensively

[Outside]

Assuming health to their core, especially Curry, the Warriors will be good, not great. They are much better than last season.

Bjelica and Porter are vastly better in their system than Oubre and Wiseman. They are significant pluses, while Oubre and Wiseman were spectacularly bad in plus/minus. That change alone is huge.

Damion Lee continues to improve, and yes, so does Jordan Poole, even if he hasn't replicated the Curry Lite performances of the preseason. Damion Lee has been really solid.

They're already deeper than they were last season, and they still have Kuminga, Wiseman, and Klay Thompson looking to return from injury. Anything Kuminga provides is a bonus, Wiseman has nowhere to go but up, and we'll see what version of Klay we have by playoff time. Their three-point shooting is much better than last season.

Adding Klay and Iguodala means they can have lineups with four guys with ingrained knowledge of the system and each other, whereas last season it was only Steph and Draymond. Throw in Wiggins, Bjelica, Porter, or Lee and they've got a solid closing lineup.

I can see them being third or fourth in the conference. They're 4-1 when they haven't played particularly well. They can hopefully find their stride in the last third of the season.

[eminence]

Kuminga and Wiseman will likely both be net negatives when they return.

[Peregrine01]

Kuminga and Wiseman will likely both be net negatives when they return.

You think the coaching staff will be pressed to play them because they were lottery picks?

[eminence]

Kuminga and Wiseman will likely both be net negatives when they return.

You think the coaching staff will be pressed to play them because they were lottery picks?

Assuredly, will they give in, Idk.

[falcolombardi]

theu should honestly trade them if they dont plan om developing them

better for them and for warriors own short contending Window with curry

[eminence]

I agree with trading Wiseman (higher salary to match more good players). Kuminga I’m more comfortable holding if there isn’t a big name for a Wiggins++ deal on the market. His salary just doesn’t let us match very many good players.

[The High Cyde]

It was such a weird pick, doesn’t match the timelines of their stars at all. Curry is a generational talent who is in his twilight years athletically and they need to contend now. Just a puzzling move from management.

[Peregrine01]

It was such a weird pick, doesn’t match the timelines of their stars at all. Curry is a generational talent who is in his twilight years athletically and they need to contend now. Just a puzzling move from management.

It's not so puzzling if you understand Joe "light years ahead" Lacob. The guy seems to think that there could be a seamless transition after Curry retires into sustained greatness for the franchise. Wiseman figures to be a central part of that plan since they picked him 2nd. Call it ego or sunk cost fallacy but to anyone else, Wiseman looks far from a franchise cornerstone.

[falcolombardi]

most people didnt expect lamelo ball to become such a great player from the start and wiseman was seen as one of the best prospects still

you cannot hit on every pick

[Peregrine01]

most people didnt expect lamelo ball to become such a great player from the start and wiseman was seen as one of the best prospects still

you cannot hit on every pick

It's not the pick that most people find perplexing. It's the Warriors intent to keep this pick when it's quite clear that they could make a trade to substantially up their chances of winning now while Curry is still an MVP-caliber player.

[Colbinii]

most people didnt expect lamelo ball to become such a great player from the start and wiseman was seen as one of the best prospects still

you cannot hit on every pick

It's not the pick that most people find perplexing. It's the Warriors intent to keep this pick when it's quite clear that they could make a trade to substantially up their chances of winning now while Curry is still an MVP-caliber player.

I find the pick quite complexing.

I didn't even have Wiseman in my top 5 prospects and I'm not even good at evaluating prospects. Okongwu was a much better prospect at the center position.

[Outside]

most people didnt expect lamelo ball to become such a great player from the start and wiseman was seen as one of the best prospects still

you cannot hit on every pick

It's not the pick that most people find perplexing. It's the Warriors intent to keep this pick when it's quite clear that they could make a trade to substantially up their chances of winning now while Curry is still an MVP-caliber player.

Trade for who, exactly? Maybe they have explored trades but not pulled the trigger because the deals offered don't make sense. If it's a top player, then you have to give up multiple pieces to make the salaries work. Who wants to roll the dice on Simmons, even if the price tag wasn't so steep? Who else is actually available and a good fit?

They made a point to provide Wiseman with playing time last season because that's what he needed for his development and they prioritized that over winning. They're not doing that this season. Wiseman will get a few minutes here and there, but until he shows he can actually contribute, he's going to get minimal playing time. He might spend a chunk of time in the G league.

[Texas Chuck]

most people didnt expect lamelo ball to become such a great player from the start and wiseman was seen as one of the best prospects still

you cannot hit on every pick

It's not the pick that most people find perplexing. It's the Warriors intent to keep this pick when it's quite clear that they could make a trade to substantially up their chances of winning now while Curry is still an MVP-caliber player.

Trade for who, exactly? Maybe they have explored trades but not pulled the trigger because the deals offered don't make sense. If it's a top player, then you have to give up multiple pieces to make the salaries work. Who wants to roll the dice on Simmons, even if the price tag wasn't so steep? Who else is actually available and a good fit?
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It's a fair point that we can't know what deals they might could have made.

OTOH you have a limited window with Steph/Draymond and had 3 lottery picks including #2 overall. Feels safe to say they could have made the team meaningfully better prepared to compete right now.

And let's set that aside even. Last year they should have used a future protected 1st to dump Oubre into an OKC TPE which OKC would obviously have done. Saves GSW a huge chunk off their tax bill last year and gets them a TPE and because they saved money last year they could re-invest it this year. And now you can trade for a player making $14-15M dollars using the TPE.

I definitely think its fair to be critical of how GSW managed this window even if we can't tell you specifically what moves were available. We've seen plenty of useful pieces move at prices GSW could have afforded. Not a superstar obviously. But very useful players.

[eminence]

You don't need a superstar to give you a substantially better shot at winning than Wiseman will give you the next 2 seasons. Valanciunas, Derrick White, Wood, those types of guys are all good players that could give the team a real boost.

Personally I would've liked something around Wiggins/Wiseman for Buddy/Barnes as I like both of them quite a lot.

Impossible to know what's on the table right now, but I'd be surprised if there's nothing.

[GSP]

Nash is a horrible Nba coach he shouldnt have a job. Nets have the 29th offense....Dantoni ran the show last year

[ShotCreator]

Only watched half a quarter of Evan Mobley and I’m convinced he’s the one

It’s not even just what he’s good at it’s what he’s not bad at. At 20 years old as a big man, he moves around like a vet. Never wild and out of control. Which makes his mobility and coordination just deadly

Complete comfort reading a defense to pass. Good screen setter

If Gobert wasn’t in god mode he’d be a DPOY candidate

He’s been contesting an unthinkable 18 shots per game


That’s elite motor AND awareness from a 20 year old

The KG comparison I saw before the draft is actually accurate and I’m really astonished

[Ballerhogger]

It was such a weird pick, doesn’t match the timelines of their stars at all. Curry is a generational talent who is in his twilight years athletically and they need to contend now. Just a puzzling move from management.

Could of had lamelo too