Official Scottie Barnes Thread

ATLTimekeeper · Post #321 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:52 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
djsunyc wrote:when it comes to scoring - i see so much kawhi in barnes. the way he operates in the midrange looks so much like kawhi. once he starts using his strength to bully people at the elbow, it's over.

the league hates MR jumpers but it's those MR shots that make or break playoff series. you need to hit those to go deep in the playoffs - i think barnes can get to that elite level there. it's unblockable and he can get his shot off w/o any issues b/c if the defense steps up, he will go by and burn them on a layup or pass.

kawhi was only here for a year and it was pins and needles for me...but this is the first time i truly believe we got a guy that can get us to where we want to go.
The midrange is now the domain of the very elite, guys like Kawhi, KD. Teams will give that shot up to limit 3s and shots close to the basket, so if he's hitting a high % from there, he's going to pile up a bunch points. It's also a good shot for him because he has such a high release point nobody is blocking it.

But these are not Kawhi/KD shots. Those guys are creating their midrange against the best defenders the opposition has. Scottie is pulling up in soft spots and cashing in.

Still, Scottie hit 5 midrange shots last night. Ben Simmons hit 7 all of last season. He's basically blowing up the most negative aspects of what people thought about him and giving us a highlight dunk every night.

One summer of working on his handle and it's going to be lights out.

OakleyDokely · Post #322 » by **OakleyDokely** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:55 pm

Scottie's passing will really come into play when teams start aggressively doubling him (which as crazy as that sounds might be as soon as this year). His unselfishness and ability to find the open man will create a lot of open shots and that's when the assists will start piling up

OakleyDokely · Post #323 » by **OakleyDokely** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:59 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:
djsunyc wrote:when it comes to scoring - i see so much kawhi in barnes. the way he operates in the midrange looks so much like kawhi. once he starts using his strength to bully people at the elbow, it's over.

the league hates MR jumpers but it's those MR shots that make or break playoff series. you need to hit those to go deep in the playoffs - i think barnes can get to that elite level there. it's unblockable and he can get his shot off w/o any issues b/c if the defense steps up, he will go by and burn them on a layup or pass.

kawhi was only here for a year and it was pins and needles for me...but this is the first time i truly believe we got a guy that can get us to where we want to go.
The midrange is now the domain of the very elite, guys like Kawhi, KD. Teams will give that shot up to limit 3s and shots close to the basket, so if he's hitting a high % from there, he's going to pile up a bunch points. It's also a good shot for him because he has such a high release point nobody is blocking it.

But these are not Kawhi/KD shots. Those guys are creating their midrange against the best defenders the opposition has. Scottie is pulling up in soft spots and cashing in.

Still, Scottie hit 5 midrange shots last night. Ben Simmons hit 7 all of last season. He's basically blowing up the most negative aspects of what people thought about him and giving us a highlight dunk every night.

One summer of working on his handle and it's going to be lights out.

Yup, Scottie is finding open pockets on the floor and the guys are finding him. Most of Kawhi/KD jumpers are coming off self creation. Barnes developing these skills early is a great sign.

WuTang_CMB · Post #324 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:31 pm

Siakam comimg back is good. Nurse will make it work. He’s arguably the best player (today) and will be another threat and can provide scoring, another 3 pt option, passing and getting it up the floor on a rebound.

The way things are looking, our closing lineup will be

Fred
Trent
Barnes
Og
Siakam

Trent is been great all year thus far.

Thats a fun lineup

aminiaturebuddha · Post #325 » by **aminiaturebuddha** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:08 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie's passing will really come into play when teams start aggressively doubling him (which as crazy as that sounds might be as soon as this year). His unselfishness and ability to find the open man will create a lot of open shots and that's when the assists will start piling up

Definitely. And the flipside of that is why I don't quite understand people's concern with Pascal coming back. We already know that Siakam draws double teams, or at least causes other defenders to hedge his way. Scottie might not be the primary initiator as much (not that he is now anyway), but Pascal's gravity should provide him with more space on the court. And with Pascal's increased playmaking from last year, I have no doubt that he'll find Scottie.

Then you'll have Scottie getting the ball as the defenders are trying to recover from hedging towards Siakam, allowing him to find lanes to the hoop, use that mid-range jumper he has, or take advantage of the excellent passing skills that you mention to find wide open teammates. It could be really good, and should lead to more flow on offence for the whole team.

Los_29 · Post #326 » by **Los_29** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:09 pm

Scottie has wildly exceeded my expectations. I am now starting to get superstar vibes from him. He's a special talent. Remember folks, he's only 20 years old and he's doing this.

GordanFreeman · Post #327 » by **GordanFreeman** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:05 pm

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Bruin · Post #330 » by **Bruin** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:34 pm

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Madhouse · Post #332 » by **Madhouse** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Per 36 compared to previous ROYs in first 6 career games:

Lamelo Ball 17/6/6/3/1, 42% FG
Ja Morant 25/4/7/2/1, 53% FG
Luka Doncic 19/6/4/1/0 43% FG
Ben Simmons 18/10/8/2/1 51% FG
Malcolm Brogdon 13/5/6/2/0 38% FG

Barnes 18/9/2/1/1 56% FG

Have to get these assist and steal numbers up, so less shot bricking by the Raptors would help.

PhilBlackson · Post #333 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:49 pm

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Great pic they chose lol smdh

But this has been a Mike Tyson 1st rd KO for Barnes, it hasn't even been close and to date should really be a non-story.

Even Suggs' points last night were on HORRIBLE shooting percentages which he has been shooting since joining the NBA. On one hand, Scottie has been blowing people away left and right, shocked how much better he looks than expected. On the other hand, Suggs has been shockingly bad (offensively) were there's been consistent excuse making for why he hasn't been good other than on the defensive end.

Barnes is battling for ROY, Suggs is trying to show he's not a bust -- SO FAR. Until Suggs even starts cracking top 6-7 (Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Green, Mitchell, Sengun, Wagner - Cade will likely join this too etc) vs Barnes battling for BEST in class, this really should be a non-conversation. Not saying Suggs isn't or won't be good, way too early to write him off but he shouldn't even be in the same sentence with Barnes for now, it's really a conversation of Barnes/Mobley, not Suggs. If anything it makes me feel bad for Suggs that he's just trying to get on track and people keep feeling the need to compare him to a guy that went ahead of him.

Madhouse · Post #334 » by **Madhouse** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:50 pm

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WuTang_CMB · Post #335 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:53 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
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Great pic they chose lol smdh

But this has been a Mike Tyson 1st rd KO for Barnes, it hasn't even been close and to date should really be a non-story.

Even Suggs' points last night were on HORRIBLE shooting percentages which he has been shooting since joining the NBA. On one hand, Scottie has been blowing people away left and right, shocked how much better he looks than expected. On the other hand, Suggs has been shockingly bad (offensively) were there's been consistent excuse making for why he hasn't been good other than on the defensive end.

Barnes is battling for ROY, Suggs is trying to show he's not a bust -- SO FAR. Until Suggs even starts cracking top 6-7 (Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Green, Mitchell, Sengun, Wagner - Cade will likely join this too etc) vs Barnes battling for BEST in class, this really should be a non-conversation. Not saying Suggs isn't or won't be good, way too early to write him off but he shouldn't even be in the same sentence with Barnes for now, it's really a conversation of Barnes/Mobley, not Suggs. If anything it makes me feel bad for Suggs that he's just trying to get on track and people keep feeling the need to compare him to a guy that went ahead of him.

The battle for ROY will be for my guy Evan and Scottie. Both amazing thus far. But id give the edge to Scottie

Has improved so much since being drafted its crazy

tradejosehesux · Post #336 » by **tradejosehesux** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:59 pm

Masai and Bobby did it again. Scottie and Banton could very well be an unstoppable duo in the coming years. Very early I know, but I do get that vibe.

Federalies · Post #337 » by **Federalies** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:14 pm

Blake dropping the truth bombs! Nice deep dive on why Scottie is scoring more than expected! :nod:

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PhilBlackson · Post #338 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:17 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Great pic they chose lol smdh

But this has been a Mike Tyson 1st rd KO for Barnes, it hasn't even been close and to date should really be a non-story.

Even Suggs' points last night were on HORRIBLE shooting percentages which he has been shooting since joining the NBA. On one hand, Scottie has been blowing people away left and right, shocked how much better he looks than expected. On the other hand, Suggs has been shockingly bad (offensively) were there's been consistent excuse making for why he hasn't been good other than on the defensive end.

Barnes is battling for ROY, Suggs is trying to show he's not a bust -- SO FAR. Until Suggs even starts cracking top 6-7 (Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Green, Mitchell, Sengun, Wagner - Cade will likely join this too etc) vs Barnes battling for BEST in class, this really should be a non-conversation. Not saying Suggs isn't or won't be good, way too early to write him off but he shouldn't even be in the same sentence with Barnes for now, it's really a conversation of Barnes/Mobley, not Suggs. If anything it makes me feel bad for Suggs that he's just trying to get on track and people keep feeling the need to compare him to a guy that went ahead of him.

The battle for ROY will be for my guy Evan and Scottie. Both amazing thus far. But id give the edge to Scottie

Has improved so much since being drafted its crazy

Yeah I remember we both loved & dreamed of us drafting Mobley lol but I'm not sure who I can give the edge to. Honestly feel like they've been fairly neck to neck and they could be moving forward in their careers as each guy has certain SLIGHT advantages long term. Barnes is an elite defender himself but I'd give the slight advantage to Mobley because he's just a bit more composed, bit better instincts, more under control and reads the entire floor bit better. Barnes is the better passer (despite currently lower assists), Mobley is no slouch and actually great vision for a big man but he's not quite the special passer Scottie is. Scottie makes those show stopping passes -- full court hail mary's with ease, no looks and just can thread the needle with his passes which of course has a great effect on TEAM success. I think they're both currently on a fairly equal footing scoring wise, showing a lot of the same things but it's just exciting because they expected this from Mobley, not Scottie. Overall I'm just thrilled that we somehow still ended up with a guy who's at minimum comparable to Mobley.

What can arguably put Barnes in the conversation with Mobley (or ahead) is the intangibles. Barnes is a vocal leader that gets his teammates enthuised and going. Also again that passing ability helps his teammates and team success that he might be a greater OVERALL impact -- not saying either Barnes or Mobley are comparible to the following names but I feel like it's like LBJ vs KD or Giannis vs AD. KD and AD are better scorers and comparible defenders, if not better BUT it's the passing and intangibles that help LBJ and Giannis having a greater overall impact...it will be interesting moving forward.

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Lol it's funny but the comparison isn't that great.

1. Scottie is actually more the size of Giannis on the left, not right lol - size wise he's more comparable to Magic, not Giannis
2. Scottie is showing way more potential as a scorer, at least skillwise. A lot of what Giannis does offensively is based on his SIZE and athleticisim. Most of his game is pure bully ball. He either uses his length to go around, over or through his defender or his strength to overpower them. Scottie has shown WAY more on the perimeter with his pull jumpers, even seen some fadeways, sky hooks etc and he'll need them BECAUSE he's not quite as large as Giannis

PhilBlackson · Post #339 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:23 pm

tradejosehesux wrote:Masai and Bobby did it again. Scottie and Banton could very well be an unstoppable duo in the coming years. Very early I know, but I do get that vibe.

Banton

Please stop...he's turning out to be a nice rotation piece but ya'll hyping him up like he's some all-star in the making lol this is an example of fans overhyping their players.

Madhouse · Post #340 » by **Madhouse** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:43 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
tradejosehesux wrote:Masai and Bobby did it again. Scottie and Banton could very well be an unstoppable duo in the coming years. Very early I know, but I do get that vibe.

Banton

Please stop...he's turning out to be a nice rotation piece but ya'll hyping him up like he's some all-star in the making lol this is an example of fans overhyping their players.

Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into a starter in the coming years.

Is he star? Probably not. But if he turns into Shaun Livingston it's a great pick and he looks extremely fast.

tier 1 franchise cornerstones
tier 2 starters
tier 3 bench key cogs
tier 4 rotational players
tier 5 end of bench

I think he has a good chance to be tier for a long time. Potentially tier 2 but he will need to develop a jump shot.