The truth about FVV

Basketball_Jones · Post #21 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:00 am

Yeah I think we need to be content with him now. Less shot attempts, more assists. He’s doing it. Once Banton and Barnes handle more he’ll be doing less dribbling.

WaltFrazier · Post #22 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:16 am

TheBoi10 wrote:He can't make simple passes coming out of the PnR and has bad timing on passes

Even more so, he can't make the simple pass on a 3on2 or 2on1 break

dartmouth · Post #23 » by **dartmouth** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:22 am

should've given him a rest this game and started dragic

mdenny · Post #24 » by **mdenny** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:47 am

Gold Dragon wrote:The truth is that if Fred were a great finisher around the rim and this great passer everyone wants, he would be a top of the lottery pick that is a generational player who is an MVP candidate making the supermax. If you want a roster with 5 really great starters and a decent bench in a salary cap league, you need to have players who are not perfect at everything.

FVV is a GREAT pg. Not good, great.

The raps have had players that i thought weren't as good as they were given credit for. Vince was one of those for me so i get it. But if you make more than 5 posts per day hating on a player then the board is better of without you.

Not saying ppl shouldnt critiques the players they dont like....but 40 to 50 posts in a game thread denigrating someone. Man....chill out. Noone wants this board to be your venting outlet.

I've made some negative posts about precious the past few days. But i'd never harp on about for 40 to 50 posts and i'd never make fun of his name (ie "fred van suck") and all the the childish stuff.

Fortunately...i think we've turned the corner. Same thing happened last year.

djsunyc · Post #25 » by **djsunyc** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:49 am

he's surrounded by kids yet he's keeping it all together.

repeat after me...FRAN-CHISE FREDDIE

bluerap23 · Post #26 » by **bluerap23** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:00 am

KingSebastian · Post #27 » by **KingSebastian** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:05 am

Fred is solid. Period

He had been asked to play a scoring guard role up until this point.
He has always been a point guard and is more than capable.
Give him time to adjust to a new and healthy team
By January when siakam is back, Fred and OG will look emev better and Raptors will be rolling

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DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #28 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:43 am

Fred is solid but a lot of the times tries to do too much like finish at the rim too much(not his specialty), not passing it to his teammates and dribbling the air out the ball. He's an elite shooter and defender that needs to put some more trust in his team. Pass the ball and trust some of your guys(same could go for a lot of our guys like OG who barely passes, trent jr, Precious, etc.) everyone thinks they are MJ it seems. NOPE

bobbyp3588 · Post #29 » by **bobbyp3588** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:49 am

Truthrising wrote:
Indeed wrote:My only problem with him is that he doesn't often setup plays (eg. to Barnes), but go against his matchup (eg. against Lonzo Ball who is pretty close to an elite defender).

He is more a SG than PG, and he is the only one who holds the ball more often. Either he improves enough to be a PG, or he is willing to setup for others, particularly, I don't get why Barnes isn't getting more touches on offense.

I agree with this, we really don’t have true PG that’s set up others. I’d argue the only true PG we really have is Delano Banton

Scottie Barnes is the next Magic Johnson!!!

mowcrowbar · Post #30 » by **mowcrowbar** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:06 am

I actually want to see him off ball more. That was his role with Lowry anyways. I want to see Barnes involved more as a facilitator.

WaltFrazier · Post #31 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:36 am

How many Fred threads do we need?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2132166

Basketball_Jones · Post #32 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:52 am

mowcrowbar wrote:I actually want to see him off ball more. That was his role with Lowry anyways. I want to see Barnes involved more as a facilitator.

It’s happening already with OG/Barnes and playing alongside Banton. When Siakam comes back it will be even more off ball stuff.

But…he did carry the team in the 4th Q mostly on ball.

SharoneWright · Post #33 » by **SharoneWright** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:07 am

good ball possession =/= good distributor

Johnny Bball · Post #34 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:57 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:
mowcrowbar wrote:I actually want to see him off ball more. That was his role with Lowry anyways. I want to see Barnes involved more as a facilitator.
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It’s happening already with OG/Barnes and playing alongside Banton. When Siakam comes back it will be even more off ball stuff.

But…he did carry the team in the 4th Q mostly on ball.

The last two wins.

johanliebert · Post #35 » by **johanliebert** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:
mowcrowbar wrote:I actually want to see him off ball more. That was his role with Lowry anyways. I want to see Barnes involved more as a facilitator.

It’s happening already with OG/Barnes and playing alongside Banton. When Siakam comes back it will be even more off ball stuff.

But…he did carry the team in the 4th Q mostly on ball.

That’s something I didn’t see mentioned in the post game thread. I keep saying it Fred is majestic in the pick and roll he can get to wherever he wants.

johanliebert · Post #36 » by **johanliebert** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:42 pm

SharoneWright wrote:good ball possession =/= good distributor

These goofs should look up who’s led the league in assists/to ratio the past 15 years. Being safe doesn’t make you a good playmaker.

vini_vidi_vici · Post #37 » by **vini_vidi_vici** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:50 pm

To be fair, FVV is getting jobbed in the PnR, in terms of guys hitting their shots.

Anticon · Post #38 » by **Anticon** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:00 pm

Where does he rank in terms of franchise point guards?

Damon, Calderon, Alvin, Doug Christie, Lowry, Ford.

Based on his contributions and longevity he's probably top 2. And we got him for literally nothing.

So lots to be improved as a playmaker more than anything (his size will always cap his scoring potential. But given how we got him I find it very hard to get upset about his shortcomings.

makeready · Post #39 » by **makeready** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:13 pm

hes the locker room leader of a strong culture which says a lot

NinjaBro · Post #40 » by **NinjaBro** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:55 pm

Anticon wrote:Where does he rank in terms of franchise point guards?

Damon, Calderon, Alvin, Doug Christie, Lowry, Ford.

Based on his contributions and longevity he's probably top 2. And we got him for literally nothing.

So lots to be improved as a playmaker more than anything (his size will always cap his scoring potential. But given how we got him I find it very hard to get upset about his shortcomings.

He's easily top 2 behind Lowry. He's accomplished way more and his commitment and loyalty to the raptors trumps all the rest and was an integral piece to a championship.