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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#341 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:44 pm

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But this has been a Mike Tyson 1st rd KO for Barnes, it hasn't even been close and to date should really be a non-story.

Even Suggs' points last night were on HORRIBLE shooting percentages which he has been shooting since joining the NBA. On one hand, Scottie has been blowing people away left and right, shocked how much better he looks than expected. On the other hand, Suggs has been shockingly bad (offensively) were there's been consistent excuse making for why he hasn't been good other than on the defensive end.

Barnes is battling for ROY, Suggs is trying to show he's not a bust -- SO FAR. Until Suggs even starts cracking top 6-7 (Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, Green, Mitchell, Sengun, Wagner - Cade will likely join this too etc) vs Barnes battling for BEST in class, this really should be a non-conversation. Not saying Suggs isn't or won't be good, way too early to write him off but he shouldn't even be in the same sentence with Barnes for now, it's really a conversation of Barnes/Mobley, not Suggs. If anything it makes me feel bad for Suggs that he's just trying to get on track and people keep feeling the need to compare him to a guy that went ahead of him.


The battle for ROY will be for my guy Evan and Scottie. Both amazing thus far. But id give the edge to Scottie

Has improved so much since being drafted its crazy


Yeah I remember we both loved & dreamed of us drafting Mobley lol but I'm not sure who I can give the edge to. Honestly feel like they've been fairly neck to neck and they could be moving forward in their careers as each guy has certain SLIGHT advantages long term. Barnes is an elite defender himself but I'd give the slight advantage to Mobley because he's just a bit more composed, bit better instincts, more under control and reads the entire floor bit better. Barnes is the better passer (despite currently lower assists), Mobley is no slouch and actually great vision for a big man but he's not quite the special passer Scottie is. Scottie makes those show stopping passes -- full court hail mary's with ease, no looks and just can thread the needle with his passes which of course has a great effect on TEAM success. I think they're both currently on a fairly equal footing scoring wise, showing a lot of the same things but it's just exciting because they expected this from Mobley, not Scottie. Overall I'm just thrilled that we somehow still ended up with a guy who's at minimum comparable to Mobley.

What can arguably put Barnes in the conversation with Mobley (or ahead) is the intangibles. Barnes is a vocal leader that gets his teammates enthuised and going. Also again that passing ability helps his teammates and team success that he might be a greater OVERALL impact -- not saying either Barnes or Mobley are comparible to the following names but I feel like it's like LBJ vs KD or Giannis vs AD. KD and AD are better scorers and comparible defenders, if not better BUT it's the passing and intangibles that help LBJ and Giannis having a greater overall impact...it will be interesting moving forward.

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Lol it's funny but the comparison isn't that great.

1. Scottie is actually more the size of Giannis on the left, not right lol - size wise he's more comparable to Magic, not Giannis
2. Scottie is showing way more potential as a scorer, at least skillwise. A lot of what Giannis does offensively is based on his SIZE and athleticisim. Most of his game is pure bully ball. He either uses his length to go around, over or through his defender or his strength to overpower them. Scottie has shown WAY more on the perimeter with his pull jumpers, even seen some fadeways, sky hooks etc and he'll need them BECAUSE he's not quite as large as Giannis



Its not comparing him to giannis lol

Its comparing what we thought his production would be (giannis rookie year) vs (giannis older) which is closer to what hes doing now.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#342 » by T-d0t » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:02 pm

When Siakam comes back are they going to send Barnes to the bench or make Siakam start at C? Most likely, they will be closing with a lineup of:

FVV
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Post#344 » by 2019nbachamps » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:43 pm

Do you guys think Scottie can be as good as Giannis?

I hope Barnes starts when Siakam is back. We aren’t competing this year. Our goals should be to maximize Scottie’s development, get Siakam his confidence back, and see improvements to core players such as OG. Win-losses don’t matter this season.

Finally, I hope we stop with the Barnes vs Suggs comparisons. Chances are both of them will have good NBA careers.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#345 » by vini_vidi_vici » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:44 pm

Sorry im lost in Synergy this morning....

This is Scotties D #s.

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Kinda avg right??

But you can see hes getting killed by SpotUps, which is weighing down where hes great everywhere else (Edit: Except PostUps tbf).

Hes faced 36 3s (been bad differential), but he has contested 24 (best on the team). So maybe its been good defense, better offense adage.

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You take a deeper dive and it looks like his numbers are inflated by when the D "commits" (which means either drive/kick, or the drive/kick leading to swings). So hes either sinking and recovering, or contesting on hard closeouts on rotations. Those are still tough to contest, much less stop.

He has been ELITE defensively.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#346 » by Hero_Panda » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:52 pm

Pretty dumb for SN to compare both Scottie and Suggs together. I expected the comparison to continue on forums like this, but if mock drafts didn't prematurely put Suggs at 4 and people putting too much stock on mock drafts, this comparison wouldn't have existed.
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Post#347 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:58 pm

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Post#348 » by Madhouse » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:59 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:Do you guys think Scottie can be as good as Giannis?

I hope Barnes starts when Siakam is back. We aren’t competing this year. Our goals should be to maximize Scottie’s development, get Siakam his confidence back, and see improvements to core players such as OG. Win-losses don’t matter this season.

Finally, I hope we stop with the Barnes vs Suggs comparisons. Chances are both of them will have good NBA careers.


not really because I believe Giannis will be the Goat or at least a top 5 player historically.

Barnes has a very nice starting point for a rookie though and being in the Raptors developmental system will allow him to become a really special and unique basketball player.

It would be a nice bonus if he could grow another inch or 2. The way players have improved with Toronto, he'll be a monster in 2 or 3 years. Midrange game is already improved, gotta work on the ball handling and 3 point shot next offseason.
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Post#349 » by Vampirate » Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:12 pm

I'm going to be conservative here, and I think he can blow past it.

Does anyone feel like we drafted the new Jimmy Butler?

I think Barnes ceiling is easily higher than Butler's is, but if Barnes doesn't fully reach his potential, will he be in the Butler range?
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Post#350 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:22 pm

Vampirate wrote:I'm going to be conservative here, and I think he can blow past it.

Does anyone feel like we drafted the new Jimmy Butler?

I think Barnes ceiling is easily higher than Butler's is, but if Barnes doesn't fully reach his potential, will he be in the Butler range?


That's a fair take! the sample size is getting better.....and his natural talent is there
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Post#351 » by normgod6 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:29 pm

Vampirate wrote:I'm going to be conservative here, and I think he can blow past it.

Does anyone feel like we drafted the new Jimmy Butler?

I think Barnes ceiling is easily higher than Butler's is, but if Barnes doesn't fully reach his potential, will he be in the Butler range?

Yep I was also comparing him to a longer and bigger jimmy butler after seeing him in Summer league. A great playmaker without a good jumpshot or vertical finishing ability in the half court but still able to get points through smart cuts, finishing craft and drawing fouls.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#352 » by Vampirate » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:41 pm

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Vampirate wrote:I'm going to be conservative here, and I think he can blow past it.

Does anyone feel like we drafted the new Jimmy Butler?

I think Barnes ceiling is easily higher than Butler's is, but if Barnes doesn't fully reach his potential, will he be in the Butler range?

Yep I was also comparing him to a longer and bigger jimmy butler after seeing him in Summer league. A great playmaker without a good jumpshot or vertical finishing ability in the half court but still able to get points through smart cuts, finishing craft and drawing fouls.


Honestly why i'm bringing this up is the 'is RJ the new Jimmy Butler' in the GB.

I'm sure RJ is going to be a fine player, maybe fringe All Star, but I don't see RJ as having the athletic ability that Jimmy has to get to the hoop and get FT's.

Barnes on the other hands (though it's only been 6 games mind you) seems to not only have that, but looks way more advanced than Jimmy did in year 1 and 2 (in 6 games, our outlook can easily change 20 games in lol).

It's going to be an interesting comparison moving forwards because both Jimmy and Barnes were looked as very raw coming in.

Barnes was looked as a Draymond Green clone as his peak. Good-Great Defense, playmaking, solid rebounding, limited scoring capabilities.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 

Post#353 » by mihaic » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:09 pm

Hero_Panda wrote:Pretty dumb for SN to compare both Scottie and Suggs together. I expected the comparison to continue on forums like this, but if mock drafts didn't prematurely put Suggs at 4 and people putting too much stock on mock drafts, this comparison wouldn't have existed.


It is not dumb at all. It was a shock only a few months ago and people have not forgotten, and are clearly still interested to see where it will all go.
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Post#354 » by TheBoi10 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:56 pm

Barnes and Banton #2 and #3 in win shares

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Post#355 » by malachii » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:56 pm

TheBoi10 wrote:Barnes and Banton #2 and #3 in win shares

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That stat is unreal to me. My goodness.
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Post#356 » by Ell Curry » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:27 am

Did anyone know Barnes is tied for 5th in 2pt buckets in the entire league?!?

1. Anthony Davis • LAL 60
2. Kevin Durant • BRK 54
3. Brandon Ingram • NOP 47
4. Jimmy Butler • MIA 44
5. Scottie Barnes • TOR 43
Ja Morant • MEM 43
7. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 42
Domantas Sabonis • IND 42
9. Nikola Jokić • DEN 41
Russell Westbrook • LAL 41
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Post#357 » by Madhouse » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:40 am

How many wide open 3s do we want to brick of his potential assists?
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Post#358 » by Darkseid » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:50 am

21 and 12

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Post#359 » by JShuttlesworth » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:52 am

Barnes is playing at ROY level through the first 7 Games.

I never expected him to be this good, this fast. He get's better each and every game.
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Post#360 » by hype_2004 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:56 am

JShuttlesworth wrote:Barnes is playing at ROY level through the first 7 Games.

I never expected him to be this good, this fast. He get's better each and every game.


When he gets in the post he straight up dominant.

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