Pat Williams Discussion - Out 4-6 Mo (late Feb to late April)

[heir_jordan22]

He landed badly because his dunk movement was awkward.He seems to play scared ,hesitant,he thinks too much before shooting even when wide open , he hesitated for a second before going for dunking giving time for Mitch Robinson´s blocking foul.I hope he can recover well from this injury and can improve his game ,he has obvious skills but won´t be a good NBA player playing scared like that.

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

These statements are idiotic.

[ThreeMileAllan]

I jist hope this isn't a Kriss Dunn teeth on court situation. Kris was on the way up and hasn't been the same since.

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[League Circles]

I prefer Green in the starting lineup at the moment.

We should have kept Lauri IMO.

[kodo]

Keeping Lauri would have meant dropping one of Lonzo or Derozan.
It's been pretty clear there was a hard limit on the spending spree from ownership that we don't go into lux tax for a non-contender.

Lauri at almost $20M per year makes more sense for his new team, where everyone important is making a rookie contract other than Allen. We're going to be paying Zach $40M, Lonzo $20M, Derozan $28M, Caruso $9M...no way would Lauri have been worth his contract to us as a spot up shooter.

[Darius Miles Davis]

I am learning a lot about the posters here as I read the reactions to PWill's devastating injury. He may well never play basketball again. He may be disabled for life. Yes, it's that serious. Get your heads and hearts right, friends.

Yeah, I am really worried about the severity of this particular kind of wrist injury. I did some reading too. This injury can lead to nerve damage, weakness in the wrist, limited flexibility/range of motion, and a lifelong arthritic condition. It’s probably a good thing that Pat is so young, which likely increases his chance of healing well.

But this could definitely impact his career. Will he be able fully control the ball passing or dribbling with his left hand? Are lefty layups and dunks a thing of the past for him? He’s quite a one handed, right handed shooter who sometimes even goes up for a midrange jumper without even his guide hand, so that part is perhaps lucky.

So I guess we wait and we see what happens.


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[DuckIII]

He landed badly because his dunk movement was awkward.He seems to play scared ,hesitant,he thinks too much before shooting even when wide open , he hesitated for a second before going for dunking giving time for Mitch Robinson´s blocking foul.I hope he can recover well from this injury and can improve his game ,he has obvious skills but won´t be a good NBA player playing scared like that.

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

Given the length of time realgm has been around, wide variety of subjects discussed, and the sheer volume of posts, it’s a challenge to write the dumbest **** ever written around here.

This is a just a general observation and not intended to be linked to any particular thing.

[Hangtime84]

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

Given the length of time realgm has been around, wide variety of subjects discussed, and the sheer volume of posts, it’s a challenge to write the dumbest **** ever written around here.

This is a just a general observation and not intended to be linked to any particular thing.

assfault and bring dogs to games

[GoBlue72391]

This intentional foul by Robinson might not just end p.Williams career, it might be the end of Matt Thomes NBA career either.
He is the odd man out when we have to clear a roster spot for a Williams replacement.

We're beyond overreacting at this point. This is getting ridiculous.

[SfBull]

They controlled that game until we went on a run in the final 2 minutes. Sometimes the final score doesn’t tell the story.

Also, I don’t know what “a team playing the October Super Bowl” means. Are we faulting a team that routinely plays hard, for playing hard?

People who watched the game saw how we were dominated by the Knicks not deserving winning the game.

If the Knicks lost it because we made a run in the last minute and a half do the Knicks not deserve that L?

If Toronto beat us after being down by 20 do they not deserve that win?

The game is played for 48 minutes and while it's true the Knicks executed better than us for the majority of the game they were a DeRozan jump shot away from having an L in their win-loss record even after being the better team.

If the Bulls had won the game it'd be a moral victory for the Knicks.Simple as that .The Bulls were just outplayed.

[SfBull]

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

These statements are idiotic.

Just a simple comment not developing the discussion.
Very sinthetic.
Your knowledge of the game really impressed me .
Look,I made these statements based on just observation,if you can't stand the issue feel free for ignoring me.

[CaPiTanAK]

When you play like a wimp, the league will smell your weakness and break you. Hopefully, he will come back stronger. Otherwise his career is over. He’s a potential Greg Oden Jr 2.0.

[SfBull]

Unbelievable that you are blaming Pat's injury on his lack of aggressiveness. He was hit in the face for a flagrant foul while flying in for a dunk - one of the most aggressive plays we have seen from anyone on the team this year.

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

Given the length of time realgm has been around, wide variety of subjects discussed, and the sheer volume of posts, it’s a challenge to write the dumbest **** ever written around here.

This is a just a general observation and not intended to be linked to any particular thing.

When I posted these statements I just imagined they had the potential for some strong reactions.I'll just stay with my evaluation ,for me Pat was trying to make a movement he wasn't used to.It seemed just an awkward move for me . Nothing of this excludes the fact he was fragrantly fouled and had a hard landing.Just trying to understand the mechanics of that move ,everytime I watch the scene again it seems like his confidence for making the dunk was low.
If you and others evaluate this statement as idiotic, dumb
or even dumbest is fine for me.

[SfBull]

When you play like a wimp, the league will smell your weakness and break you. Hopefully, he will come back stronger. Otherwise his career is over. He’s a potential Greg Oden Jr 2.0.

That's it.This league can't tolerate weakness.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

People are jerks.

Sorry Pat I apologize for all these fake ass fans. Keep working hard kid.

Wait long enough and the fool reveals himself.

[heir_jordan22]

A movement he apparently wasn't used to.Watching the video you can see how he begins the elevation way before the basket and maybe it can have facilitated Mitch's flagrant foul.Maybe he should have opted for a layup or an assist.

These statements are idiotic.

Just a simple comment not developing the discussion.
Very sinthetic.
Your knowledge of the game really impressed me .
Look,I made these statements based on just observation,if you can't stand the issue feel free for ignoring me.

Hard to ignore you when you spammed the thread with a dozen posts in a row. But no, when a player goes up for a tomahawk dunk on a 7'3" center, his issue on that particular play is not that he was under-aggressive.

[heir_jordan22]

People are jerks.

Sorry Pat I apologize for all these fake ass fans. Keep working hard kid.

Wait long enough and the fool reveals himself.

The people on this thread are out of control. He was one of the best rookies last year. Shot the ball well, played solid defense. He was the 5th option on offense and the only defender in the lineup, just like this year. Kid plays with an ankle and a shoulder injury and 4 games into the season people are calling him a bust when he gets unlucky on a flagrant foul that lands him with a season-ending injury. This garbage is mind blowing.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

People are jerks.

Sorry Pat I apologize for all these fake ass fans. Keep working hard kid.

Wait long enough and the fool reveals himself.

The people on this thread are out of control. He was one of the best rookies last year. Shot the ball well, played solid defense. He was the 5th option on offense and the only defender in the lineup, just like this year. Kid plays with an ankle and a shoulder injury and 4 games into the season people are calling him a bust when he gets unlucky on a flagrant foul that lands him with a season-ending injury. This garbage is mind blowing.

And somehow the injury is his fault because he’s soft?

I miss the days of when I felt like the dumbest guy in here.

[ArtMorte]

It sucks - but the silver lining is that I don't feel like we lost an important piece.

[SfBull]

These statements are idiotic.

Just a simple comment not developing the discussion.
Very sinthetic.
Your knowledge of the game really impressed me .
Look,I made these statements based on just observation,if you can't stand the issue feel free for ignoring me.

Hard to ignore you when you spammed the thread with a dozen posts in a row. But no, when a player goes up for a tomahawk dunk on a 7'3" center, his issue on that particular play is not that he was under-aggressive.

I didn't say his move was under agressive.My point was just that he was trying to make an aggressive move he wasn't used to . I'm not criticizing him opting for a dunk nor blaming his move for suffering such a serious injury.Let me express myself better if it's necessary.For me Williams was being outplayed in that game and tried to make a dunk but somewhat hesitated and maybe trying a midrange shot or just a layup could have been a better option than fighting for a dunk with a physical 7'3" center like Mitch.You certainly have watched many other NBA players dunking the ball before and probably know that such movements bring a lot of risk of hard falls and serious injuries.Some players even chose not trying to dunk anymore after hard falls,I can remember Jalen Rose talking about that in a interview when playing for the Bulls.in the past .Even the GOAT had a hard fall trying to dunk in his debut and it could have resulted in a career ending injury .

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[logical_art]

Man this thread is catnip for hot takes.