2021-22 Rookie Thread

[HotelVitale]

He's born in the Dominican Republic, but raised in Canada. He's both Dominican and Canadian.]

Quick google search seems to show the opposite: born in Canada but family moved quickly and he grew up in the DR, then moved from there to NY for last two years of high school. You could technically call him 'Canadian' but ties to Canada seem pretty thin.

And he's a really good guitar player

Man, was expecting some slick bachata and ran into tailspin headwhack. A mí no me gusta.

[Bruin]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

[Got Nuffin]

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open

Duarte #3 unless you discount
his age.

Giddey is #3 or #4. it's a shame he is stuck in a small market like OKC but more people should watch him. His passing and offensive IQ is as good as anyone to come into the league in a long time.

When you watch him play so effortlessly and with confidence it's hard to believe he just turned 19. he has a lot to work on like staying focused on defense and working on his shooting, but he has an offensive mind that 99% of NBA players don't have.

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Yeah I have to eat crow on this one. I watched Giddey some in the Australian league and I didn't think his play would translate so well to the NBA. He looks fantastic out there, and considering his age we have no idea what his upside is really. His shot seemingly has gone from cringe to reliable in an off season, and he looks a lot faster than he used to. Giddey is a really exciting young player and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he ends up a better player than fellow 'Aussie' Ben Simmons. I still question his defensive ability, but if he can put up stats like he has been doing offensively no one will care.

I was so wrong about his development and I'm happy to see it.

I did pick Barnes to be a stand out in league though, and I must admit it is kinda hard refraining from the 'told you so!' posts especially when the US media sh*t on Masai and the Raptors on draft night for passing up on Suggs. I believe Chad Ford was one of the only analysts pre-draft who said that we should take Barnes over Suggs.

But I had no idea Barnes would be 'this' good offensively, it will be interesting to see if he can keep it up with Nick Nurse saying he should be taking even more fga after the last game.

Overall this is a really exciting rookie class and I'm expecting Jalen Green to just blow up some way through the season as well as he adjusts to the length / physicality of the NBA.

[FinnTheHuman]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans, and find joy in discussing a bit of the non-Raptor basketball? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the Raps-related spam to the Raps board.

[Bruin]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the spam to the Raps board.

If you think we are spamming, feel free to put any Raptor poster on your mute list. Nobody is gonna refrain from making posts because some individuals want something else. Grow up

As for being a general basketball fan, that’s exactly why I have league pass to check in on other teams. I watched Cades game against Franz and Suggs last night. Watched Several of Mobleys games. Watched some Houston games to see Green. They’ve all shown some great potential and nice flashes that are definitely exciting. But I’m not gonna go out of my way to ensure that the ratio of Barnes posts to other rookies satisfy you.

Again, feel free to post about any other rookies and if you feel the need to, mute us Raptors fans. Don’t expect people to filter their posts to satisfy other people. you’re not above anyone here

[The Warrior]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans, and find joy in discussing a bit of the non-Raptor basketball? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the Raps-related spam to the Raps board.

Well calling us names and ignorant only makes you look ignorant. Your whole post is you complaining essentially that there’s too many Raptors fans and that we’re not very well informed outside of our own team. I have a solution for you, post elsewhere if you don’t like it.


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[FinnTheHuman]

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the spam to the Raps board.

If you think we are spamming, feel free to put any Raptor poster on your mute list. Nobody is gonna refrain from making posts because some individuals want something else. Grow up

As for being a general basketball fan, that’s exactly why I have league pass to check in on other teams. I watched Cades game against Franz and Suggs last night. Watched Several of Mobleys games. Watched some Houston games to see Green. They’ve all shown some great potential and nice flashes that are definitely exciting. But I’m not gonna go out of my way to ensure that the ratio of Barnes posts to other rookies satisfy you.

Again, feel free to post about any other rookies and if you feel the need to, mute us Raptors fans. Don’t expect people to filter their posts to satisfy other people. you’re not above anyone here

That's the thing you don't get: I know I'm not above anyone here and I know I'm not above this message board culture, while it's you guys who either feel above or are ignorant of the culture of this thread that's existed for years on the GB. But I rest my case, keep spamming it up, w/e.

[ForeverTFC]

Raps fans, the point is not that you should all individually justify the behavior in this thread or w/e, the point is to stop spamming the rookie thread with Barnes all together, because we want to talk about other rookies too. I wanna hear a bit about Bones Hyland showing a lot in the last couple of games on low minutes, I wanna hear about why Cade shat the bed last night, I wanna hear about Sengun etc etc so just chill out with the spam, 90% of the thread is Barnes Barnes Barnes. He's not 90% better than all the other rookies combined, ur taking too much space.

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans, and find joy in discussing a bit of the non-Raptor basketball? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the Raps-related spam to the Raps board.

Last year's thread was essentially all about Ball and Edwards w/ a bit of Haliburton. It was dead because there's like 20 regular posters who are Wolves, Hornets, or Kings fans on this board combined. Are you advocating for a dead thread? If you are following the thread, majority of the posts that are non-Barnes are also Raptors fans.

It's a bit tiring to continue to hear this regardless of the situation:
- Raptors are a good team: "stop spamming, no one cares you are pretenders and you keep shoving Lowry down our throats"
- Raptors become a contender: "stop spamming, it's the first time you have a contender and now you can't shut up"
- Raptors get a high pick for the first time in a decade: "stop spamming. You finally get a top 5 pick and keep talking about your guy"

[namlede]

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open

Duarte #3 unless you discount
his age.

Giddey is #3 or #4. it's a shame he is stuck in a small market like OKC but more people should watch him. His passing and offensive IQ is as good as anyone to come into the league in a long time.

When you watch him play so effortlessly and with confidence it's hard to believe he just turned 19. he has a lot to work on like staying focused on defense and working on his shooting, but he has an offensive mind that 99% of NBA players don't have.

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Yeah I have to eat crow on this one. I watched Giddey some in the Australian league and I didn't think his play would translate so well to the NBA. He looks fantastic out there, and considering his age we have no idea what his upside is really. His shot seemingly has gone from cringe to reliable in an off season, and he looks a lot faster than he used to. Giddey is a really exciting young player and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he ends up a better player than fellow 'Aussie' Ben Simmons. I still question his defensive ability, but if he can put up stats like he has been doing offensively no one will care.

I was so wrong about his development and I'm happy to see it.

I did pick Barnes to be a stand out in league though, and I must admit it is kinda hard refraining from the 'told you so!' posts especially when the US media sh*t on Masai and the Raptors on draft night for passing up on Suggs. I believe Chad Ford was one of the only analysts pre-draft who said that we should take Barnes over Suggs.

But I had no idea Barnes would be 'this' good offensively, it will be interesting to see if he can keep it up with Nick Nurse saying he should be taking even more fga after the last game.

Overall this is a really exciting rookie class and I'm expecting Jalen Green to just blow up some way through the season as well as he adjusts to the length / physicality of the NBA.

I feel like Suggs will be ok long term. I had questions about his wiggle, handle and shot and all are still question marks but he has the work ethic to be great and I think he can become a Jrue Holiday type player in the long run. Not a #1 or #2 option, but a glue guy with elite leadership abilities that will step up in crunch time when the team needs a bucket.

Barnes has surprised me. I questioned his rebounding ability and his handle and ability to score. I should have looked more closely into his offensive rebounding and not just his defensive rebounding on college. Also he didn't play many minutes at FSU and I think they are a slow pace team. His basketball iq on both ends are elite and his toughness and will are also elite. I still have some questions if he can become a go to scorer because he still needs to work on his long distance shooting and handle. But in the long run i think he can achieve his sky high upside which is a player mix of Kawhi/Iggy. Maybe not quite as good a iso scorer as Kawhi but a much better playmaker.

Mobley will be a poor mans Tim Duncan imo. Not as good a rebounder and I don't think quite as smart offensively. but his defensive iq is ridiculous and I think he is quick enough to guard on the perimeter except against the elite of the elite.

[gbball]

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the spam to the Raps board.

If you think we are spamming, feel free to put any Raptor poster on your mute list. Nobody is gonna refrain from making posts because some individuals want something else. Grow up

As for being a general basketball fan, that’s exactly why I have league pass to check in on other teams. I watched Cades game against Franz and Suggs last night. Watched Several of Mobleys games. Watched some Houston games to see Green. They’ve all shown some great potential and nice flashes that are definitely exciting. But I’m not gonna go out of my way to ensure that the ratio of Barnes posts to other rookies satisfy you.

Again, feel free to post about any other rookies and if you feel the need to, mute us Raptors fans. Don’t expect people to filter their posts to satisfy other people. you’re not above anyone here

That's the thing you don't get: I know I'm not above anyone here and I know I'm not above this message board culture, while it's you guys who either feel above or are ignorant of the culture of this thread that's existed for years on the GB. But I rest my case, keep spamming it up, w/e.

Sorry, Barnes has been that good so far. Fans are just excited. I don't see the problem. I wish other fan bases were as active as ours.

[DCasey91]

Barnes
Mobley
Duarte
Wagner (think he should be talked about more, most underrated rookie so far?)
Giddey

Top 5 for me so far. Really good class with lots of depth just how I imagined it. Wait and see on the top end (far too early to tell). Anyone badmouthing rookies should take it easy, smoke a cigar have some tea and relax. Wasn’t there two long threads about Ball and then Edwards about being a bust last season lol

All of them will struggle at times some less some more. These are kids at the end of the day literally two fifths of f*ck all into their career.

You can be critical of parts of their game 100% that’s cool but using the B word or straight up saying we should have taken X over Y is just silly.

Can’t wait to see more of:
Boogie Bouknight
Jalen & Keon
Christopher
Mcbride
Cooper
Butler
Mann

[QingJames]

Raps fans can definitely be a annoying but after hearing all summer about how the FO blew it (even NBA twitter including Suggs over Barnes in their who will win ROY polls) it 100% makes sense that this is the reaction unfortunately for realgm.

Regardless though, I don't think we talk about how Barnes is elite defensively already.. I know Mobley is incredible on that end but Scottie isn't far behind. He's guarding literally all positions (center in tiny stints).

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Barnes definitely is pretty far behind Mobley on defense at this point. Barnes is also benefitting from much better defensive teammates than Mobley. Mobley looks like he’ll win DPOY within 3 years at this point.

Not sure why you'd say that Barnes is pretty far from Mobley defensively at this point. Have you watched any raptor games at all to make this observation?

Because if you did, you'd realize that Barnes has been guarding the other teams best player full court almost every possession. Sure he gets backdoored every now and again for being over aggressive but he's been doing a great job there. Defense is the only reason why we're 4-3 instead of 0-7 lol.

I've watched every game so far and yes, Barnes is a great man defender. He's done a great job on opposing stars. But man defense does not have the same impact as rim protection and shot discouragement which is what Mobley excels at, in addition to being a very good man defender right now. Rim protection is probably the single most important aspect of defense, and Mobley is dominant at that skill right now whereas Barnes is not.

[PD28]

Nobody is stopping others from posting about their rookies. Raptors have the largest fan base on RealGM so it’s kinda expected to have the thread mention Barnes more, especially when he’s doing well. Do you expect us Raptors fans to make posts for Bones Hyland and Sengun?

We’ve acknowledged several other rookies including Mobley, Franz, Mitchell, etc but obviously we’re gonna make a large majority of our posts about Barnes. Feel free to post other rookies in this thread, nobody is stopping anybody from doing so

Dude, the rookie thread has 49 pages already, it's never happened before 11 days into the season, and it's only because you annoying parrots haven't had a relevant rookie for a while. I can post about Bones, but then in a couple of hours that's gonna be buried in the Barnes spam, because you guys can't help yourselves with only 2% of your posts adding anything of value to the Barnes discussion. The ignorance of you manchildren is insane. How about you become basketball fans instead of being exclusively Raptors fans, and find joy in discussing a bit of the non-Raptor basketball? Watch a non-Raptor game for once in your life, and move the Raps-related spam to the Raps board.

Last year's thread was essentially all about Ball and Edwards w/ a bit of Haliburton. It was dead because there's like 20 regular posters who are Wolves, Hornets, or Kings fans on this board combined. Are you advocating for a dead thread? If you are following the thread, majority of the posts that are non-Barnes are also Raptors fans.

It's a bit tiring to continue to hear this regardless of the situation:
- Raptors are a good team: "stop spamming, no one cares you are pretenders and you keep shoving Lowry down our throats"
- Raptors become a contender: "stop spamming, it's the first time you have a contender and now you can't shut up"
- Raptors get a high pick for the first time in a decade: "stop spamming. You finally get a top 5 pick and keep talking about your guy"

I think his reasoning is hilarious tbh. It's like a small market team complaining about a large market being mentioned more . We finally made it to the big leagues!

[TRik]

How are Pistons fans feeling after Cade’s debut?

18 minutes isn’t much to go by but it looked like he was feeling the pressure to perform like the number one pick.

[everdiso]

The funny thing is I can guarantee that the posters complaining about the Barnes "spam" all trashed the Raps for picking him.

[bbms]

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. open

Duarte #3 unless you discount
his age.

Giddey is #3 or #4. it's a shame he is stuck in a small market like OKC but more people should watch him. His passing and offensive IQ is as good as anyone to come into the league in a long time.

When you watch him play so effortlessly and with confidence it's hard to believe he just turned 19. he has a lot to work on like staying focused on defense and working on his shooting, but he has an offensive mind that 99% of NBA players don't have.

Sent from my Pixel 2 using RealGM mobile app

Yeah I have to eat crow on this one. I watched Giddey some in the Australian league and I didn't think his play would translate so well to the NBA. He looks fantastic out there, and considering his age we have no idea what his upside is really. His shot seemingly has gone from cringe to reliable in an off season, and he looks a lot faster than he used to. Giddey is a really exciting young player and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he ends up a better player than fellow 'Aussie' Ben Simmons. I still question his defensive ability, but if he can put up stats like he has been doing offensively no one will care.

He's not a good defender and I bet it'll take him a long time before becoming a decent defender. But he plays with effort, and he's already feeding some steals off Dort's elite on-ball defense.

Not many 19 year-old 6'8" PnR maestros in the history of the NBA, hard to even draw a comp. Presti struck gold with his 6th pick if you factor ability and draft age. He's at least one year younger than anyone picked in front of him, except for Green.

28.2 MPG 10.7 PPG 5.8 RPG 5.7 APG 2.0 TO PG; P36 it's something like 13/7.5/7.5

[Bruin]

How are Pistons fans feeling after Cade’s debut?

18 minutes isn’t much to go by but it looked like he was feeling the pressure to perform like the number one pick.

Not a pistons fan but I watched his debut. Shot wasn’t falling but I don’t see it as any cause for concern. He had no preseason so this is basically his opportunity to get off the rust and get his feet wet

Aside from scoring, he looked good. Rebounded well, played nice defense, made some nice passes. Probably could’ve had some more assists if his teammates made open shots. Altogether, I’d say there’s no cause for concern based on what he showed yesterday

[Vampirate]

Judging Mobley and Barnes it looks like this (keep in mind this is year 1 though 7 games)


Mobley

Decent Scorer (needs to work on his handle, be more assertive)

Decent Shooter (FT% is good, 3 pt% needs improvement)

Good Passer (he's 7 feet tall and has a high BBIQ which should give teammates easy look by itself)

Good Rebounder

Superstar Defender <---this by itself is what's making Mobley the leading candidate for ROY



Barnes

Good - All Star Scorer (depends on how you view him)

Bad Shooter (he's ok in the midrange, but clearly needs a lot of work as a shooter)

Good Passer (could be All Star level but the results are not there yet)

All Star Rebounder (this guy is a vicious rebounder)

Good - All Star Defender (again depends on how you view him)

[TRik]

How are Pistons fans feeling after Cade’s debut?

18 minutes isn’t much to go by but it looked like he was feeling the pressure to perform like the number one pick.

Not a pistons fan but I watched his debut. Shot wasn’t falling but I don’t see it as any cause for concern. He had no preseason so this is basically his opportunity to get off the rust and get his feet wet

Aside from scoring, he looked good. Rebounded well, played nice defense, made some nice passes. Probably could’ve had some more assists if his teammates made open shots. Altogether, I’d say there’s no cause for concern based on what he showed yesterday

Fair assessment. Did you listen to the Piston cast? Man were they wanting to get EXCITED. Cannot blame them at all, but I do worry when high picks get too overhyped and what impact that has on the player.

[anotherhomer]

quick question, what about kuminga and moody?

hows the warriors light yea plan going?

wagner looks good