The Tomjas Thread

[the_process]

Also no to Murray. 17.8 FGA, 17.8 points

I get him, he would bring really good defense to offset the team defensive struggles but it’s a catch 22.

I have Holiday as a reference point but his TS% has improved. With Murray I just don’t see it.

Harris + Murray + Maxey + Embiid is not a good combo of effectiveness/efficiency on volume.

We really have one player that we know can be trusted on the efficiency stakes to offset some things (Curry) but it isn’t enough.

Also I wonder if Paul George is available in due time.

Point Guard
Paul George
Joel Embiid

I like that.

PG13 is home, and Glenn doesn’t like him and doesn’t want to coach him again. I highly doubt he asks out, and he won’t want to come here even if he does.

[DCasey91]

Also no to Murray. 17.8 FGA, 17.8 points

I get him, he would bring really good defense to offset the team defensive struggles but it’s a catch 22.

I have Holiday as a reference point but his TS% has improved. With Murray I just don’t see it.

Harris + Murray + Maxey + Embiid is not a good combo of effectiveness/efficiency on volume.

We really have one player that we know can be trusted on the efficiency stakes to offset some things (Curry) but it isn’t enough.

Also I wonder if Paul George is available in due time.

Point Guard
Paul George
Joel Embiid

I like that.

PG13 is home, and Glenn doesn’t like him and doesn’t want to coach him again. I highly doubt he asks out, and he won’t want to come here even if he does.

Oh yeah forgot about that

White, Murray, Vassell plus picks

Look it’s not the best but not the worse.

[GutUNC]

Murray and Vassell would flatout make this team better on both ends of the court.

Well compared to <points at empty locker where Ben Simmons> used to be....yeah. But that doesn't mean a whole lot. I would argue it gets us no closer to building an eventual champion.

[the_process]

Murray and Vassell would flatout make this team better on both ends of the court.

Well compared to <points at empty locker where Ben Simmons> used to be....yeah. But that doesn't mean a whole lot. I would argue it gets us no closer to building an eventual champion.

Correct. Tobias would still be here. That has to be rectified as well.

But unless Ben returns to play, plays well, and shows not only a willingness but actual improvement shooting the ball… then the days of him being a centerpiece to a star trade are over. You take other pieces that you can use toward that end down the line should that opportunity become available.

[mjkvol]

Unfortunately so.

I'm not thrilled with the idea of waiting for a star to ask out and then including Simmons and a bunch of picks to bring him aboard.

I hate the concept of going all-in on an imaginary window.

Completely agree. It just has the feeling of trying to fill an inside straight.

Any deal has to have some sort of window to the future as well as improving the team now.

[mjkvol]

Small sample size, but so far without Ben we are #1 in ORTG and #17 in DRTG.

When I see that #1 in ORTG I immediately think of the last six minutes of the Nets game, which is the only 'playoff feeling' type game we've had this season. Stats are great, but the reality of that stat meaning anything big picture is very questionable.

[GutUNC]

Murray and Vassell would flatout make this team better on both ends of the court.

Well compared to <points at empty locker where Ben Simmons> used to be....yeah. But that doesn't mean a whole lot. I would argue it gets us no closer to building an eventual champion.

Correct. Tobias would still be here. That has to be rectified as well.

But unless Ben returns to play, plays well, and shows not only a willingness but actual improvement shooting the ball… then the days of him being a centerpiece to a star trade are over. You take other pieces that you can use toward that end down the line should that opportunity become available.

A trade for a star and the role player/surrender trade aren't the only option. The trade with more 1sts and fewer role players remains the most appealing option.

[DCasey91]

2021
Bucks - Holiday, Middleton, Giannis
Suns - CP3, Booker, Ayton

2020
Lakers - Lebron, AD, Rondo/Caruso
Heat - Adebayo, Butler, Dragic (big loss)

2019
GSW - Curry, Durant, Green
Raptors - Lowry, Siakam, Leonard, Gasol

I think you guys get the picture

Guard, wing, big. All complimentary seems to be two way players have a higher ceiling in the playoffs. CP3 was the Suns best player.

It’s best practice that brings the best results.

Clippers? No guards no bigs.
Blazers? No wings, no bigs.
Nuggets? Injury to their guard.
Jazz? No wings.
Celtics? No guards, no bigs.

Us? No guards, no wings.

In fact look at most championships.

Two way players, elite scoring threats, a swiss army big/guard or an elite big.

So who fits with Embiid that is the million dollar question. Once the FO decides on the group of players in the starting five then use all assets to get them. Bench is the backburner.

We did up the bench for what?

Seth is a sixth man and Maxey is no bueno in the playoffs.

And we all know Harris doesn’t work with Embiid.
I’d rather have Barnes + Pritchard or something like that.

You have to build around the big guy properly. Makes no sense otherwise.

Franchises go for decades in all sports without an actual real opportunity at the thing. I pay no mind to picks five years from now. Outside of the lotto it’s all theoretical and half the time it’s a crapshoot. With us it’s more like 80+% we get negative returns because we aren’t even good at identification.

This year we had a first round pick, and 2 seconds you might as well trade all three for someone because look how bad the construction is on outcome.

= No bigs, No guard. Sweet we missed out again

I’d rather die not wondering if we didn’t do all that we could to get this team up to scratch.

Real chances at the prize don’t come around often.

[TheBallsDeeper]

People suffering mental illness do not necessarily need to be admitted to an institution for treatment. To suggest they should, or that they are all faking it and this will be a deterrent is a terrible idea.

There are players that would have genuine mental health issues, and I'm sure a small minority that use it as an excuse that can not be questioned. Unfortunately we have to put up with the later to ensure there is the right support for those that need it.

Sports is not society. These are alpha personalities and alpha competitors. There's millions of dollars at play.

If a player pulls the mental illness card, he absolutely should be institutionalized to ensure the CBA is not being taken advantage of.

It's quite insulting for you to repeatedly use the phrase "pulls the mental illness card" - You don't seem to have any understanding whatsoever about mental illness.

Mental illness has nothing to do with how much money you have or how famous you are. I have no idea whether Simmons has mental health issues, but to say any player that claims they have mental health issues should be institutionalised is one of the most uneducated and ignorant comments I have ever read on this site.

Do yourself, and everyone around, you a favor - educate yourself. Attitudes like yours can make it very hard for those struggling to get the help they need.

[DCasey91]

Bucks paid a hefty sum for Holiday they won a championship.

If we’re not going all in, then start again at the deadline imo.

[Negrodamus]

Also no to Murray. 17.8 FGA, 17.8 points

I get him, he would bring really good defense to offset the team defensive struggles but it’s a catch 22.

I have Holiday as a reference point but his TS% has improved. With Murray I just don’t see it.

Harris + Murray + Maxey + Embiid is not a good combo of effectiveness/efficiency on volume.

We really have one player that we know can be trusted on the efficiency stakes to offset some things (Curry) but it isn’t enough.

Also I wonder if Paul George is available in due time.

Point Guard
Paul George
Joel Embiid

I like that.

PG13 is home, and Glenn doesn’t like him and doesn’t want to coach him again. I highly doubt he asks out, and he won’t want to come here even if he does.

Oh yeah forgot about that

White, Murray, Vassell plus picks

Look it’s not the best but not the worse.

Would do that, but that will be a major revamp of this team. Would have to put the ball in Murray's hands, reduce Green and Curry's minutes. While some would applaud that change, it could mess with Embiid's production.

I'm going to guess Morey is looking for a one for one move so it doesn't change the look of the team.

[Kobblehead]

That's why we need a third team. We need to ship out spare parts (Green, Thybulle) to make way for incoming pieces.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Rather trade Tobias and green for wall.

[Negrodamus]

Kings 1-3 vs playoff teams with the win against an underperforming Suns team which needed a Harrison Barnes three. I think they are going to be hovering around .500 for a while with some bad losing streaks.

Fox should come into the conversation soon.

[Tomjas]

Lillard terribad against Hornets

[the_process]

Well compared to <points at empty locker where Ben Simmons> used to be....yeah. But that doesn't mean a whole lot. I would argue it gets us no closer to building an eventual champion.

Correct. Tobias would still be here. That has to be rectified as well.

But unless Ben returns to play, plays well, and shows not only a willingness but actual improvement shooting the ball… then the days of him being a centerpiece to a star trade are over. You take other pieces that you can use toward that end down the line should that opportunity become available.

A trade for a star and the role player/surrender trade aren't the only option. The trade with more 1sts and fewer role players remains the most appealing option.

I don’t consider the Spurs option to be a “surrender” trade. But you would prefer the 4 1sts and garbage from Minnesota I suppose? That’s fair, but even Embiid has come out and said 1sts are meaningless when we want to win now. Also every time we’ve heard of Morey asking for the motherload of picks the other team has essentially hung up the phone on him.

[sixers4real]

What’s up with Fox playing SO badly? I’m quite sure he can do better.

[SixthStreet]

Fox is having a battle with Lillard to see who looks more like crap to start the year. I've said for months that we are going to get Fox and I feel more and more comfortable every passing day.

[Tomjas]

Fox is having a battle with Lillard to see who looks more like crap to start the year. I've said for months that we are going to get Fox and I feel more and more comfortable every passing day.

You feel comfortable because he’s not very good?

[SixthStreet]

Fox has a pretty good track record of being good and he's not near an age related cliff like Lillard. I'm very confident it's just a small sample blip that will help us get him for Simmons.