Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[PhilBlackson]

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Only month in & has a better HL reel than OG & Pascal combined lol

Still surreal how good this kid is & will be...

[HiJiNX]

I’m not going to post this “hot take” on the General Board since they don’t watch every Raps game like we do, but Scottie’s ceiling to me is a hybrid of Magic-Kawhi-Giannis and I’m 100% serious. He’s surpassed my initial expectations by a long shot, and I’m really excited for his continued development.

I feel you. I got Scottie becoming the next face of the league after the current superstars retire/fade.

[Vampirate]

No disrespect to that fat Grandma's boy Zion but I wouldn't trade him for any one player in the league right now. And I don't see a reason why he couldn't start over Tatum in the ASG if we're being objective.

You wouldn't trade Barnes for Luka, Jokic, or Giannis?

We'd have no team if we did lol.

The other issue is those guys (Luka's having a bad start) is that they single handedly would make you good enough to not be in the lottery, but you wouldn't have enough pieces around them after the trade to build a contender.

[GordanFreeman]

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Straight fire.

[Indeed]

Barnes was supposed to be a defensive first passing big, but instead he's a scorer/rebounder. He played us!

This is not true. I posted the scouting report in the Draft Thread, he isn't a big at all.
He had a straight line drive, and he can handle the ball in transition.

Oh well whether or not he's a big or a wing r guard was not really my point of emphasis. Sorry for not making that clear.

Actually Blake Murphy explained this much better than me on his offense:

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[kalel123]

Scottie has been exceptional, but we need to pump the brakes a bit lol. He has absolutely no chance at starting the ASG. Giannis, KD and Tatum (all 25/10/5 or better type of forwards) are pretty much locks. Then you have wings like Butler, Brown and DeRozan that are much more likely to be selected to the all-star game before Scottie as well as players like Randle, Middleton, Sabonis and Hayward. Scottie's only realistic chance at playing in the ASG is if he continues to put up 20/10 type of numbers while we're a +.500 team and he makes it as an injury replacement.

Tatum sucks and so does his team. he jacking up tons of shots so NO he is not a lock... they also 2-4 and he shooting 40/27 YIKES overrated by the media

Dude, it has been 6 games lol. Tatum put up 25/7/4 on 57 TS% over the last two seasons. I agree he's a bit overrated, but we have a large enough sample size (~350 NBA games) to know he is more than likely going to turn it around eventually. Same goes for the Celtics. I don't think they're a top 4 seed this year, but they will be good. They've lost 2 close games in 2OT so far this season and they could very easily be 4-2.

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While I won't go so far as to say Barnes should be an All-Star just yet after only 6 games, you do realize we have experience having had a hand in voting in some of our own players in the past when they necessarily weren't league-wide popular choice? So I wouldn't say never because we can certainly give it our best shot if we wanted. I'm not there yet myself but if he continues to play the way it has and even improves upon it, I don't see why at least Raptors fans can't vote for him.

[pingpongrac]

Tatum sucks and so does his team. he jacking up tons of shots so NO he is not a lock... they also 2-4 and he shooting 40/27 YIKES overrated by the media

Dude, it has been 6 games lol. Tatum put up 25/7/4 on 57 TS% over the last two seasons. I agree he's a bit overrated, but we have a large enough sample size (~350 NBA games) to know he is more than likely going to turn it around eventually. Same goes for the Celtics. I don't think they're a top 4 seed this year, but they will be good. They've lost 2 close games in 2OT so far this season and they could very easily be 4-2.

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While I won't go so far as to say Barnes should be an All-Star just yet after only 6 games, you do realize we have experience having had a hand in voting in some of our own players in the past when they necessarily weren't league-wide popular choice? So I wouldn't say never because we can certainly give it our best shot if we wanted. I'm not there yet myself but if he continues to play the way it has and even improves upon it, I don't see why at least Raptors fans can't vote for him.

And you do realize that was mostly when all-star starters were still determined strictly by the fan vote, right? After the change in 2016/17, we've had 4 starters and they have all been more than deserving and a part of 50+ win teams.

DeRozan in 16/17: 27/5/4 and we were 33-24 at the break
DeRozan in 17/18: 24/4/5 and we were 41-16 at the break
Kawhi in 18/19: 27/8/3 and we were 43-16 at the break
Siakam in 19/20: 24/8/4 and we were 40-15 at the break

If the fan vote was still 100% of the determining factor, we could get Scottie in as a starter, but that hasn't been the case for 5 years. Absolutely no chance he makes it as a starter unless he is putting up 25/10/5 type numbers and we're winning 60% or more games. Giannis and KD are locks and Tatum/Butler will most likely be the remaining frontcourt starter.

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[HKBOY]

I want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

While I still believe Suggs will become a good player down the road, Barnes is just on another level.

[manjusaka]

Yes, I know I am being greedy. But seeing Scottie mastered mid-range jumper just over the summer, I would like to see if he can add an post-move(back to the basket) before the season ended.

Any suggestions on what type of moves that he should be working on? Turnaround jumper(faded away)? Hook shot? Up and under finger rolls?

Umm, did you watch his highlights? He has those in his arsenal in fact his post game is very advance for his age group, he could only get better from here.

driving to the basket is face up, offensive put back is face up midrange jumper is face up.

[CPT]

While I actually changed my opinion on Barnes vs Suggs like days (if not hours) after the draft, I've been blown away by his play so far.

So glad to have him on our team.

[wegotthabeet]

While I actually changed my opinion on Barnes vs Suggs like days (if not hours) after the draft, I've been blown away by his play so far.

So glad to have him on our team.

You should have changed it days before the draft. Better late than never though, so I give you credit for that.

[JonasVFTW]

Barnes play so far seems very sustainable. It is not due to hot, streaky shooting or defenses not playing him. He gets to the rim, has beautiful touch down low and makes the hustle plays that will always be there. These first 7 game are his floor. We know he has great court vision and would have a bunch more assists if his team could his some shots. Of course he may have less offensive rebounds once that starts happening. Lol

[Young Moosehead]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-player-projections/scottie-barnes/

538 posted their projection for Scottie Barnes on October the 11th at the end of preseason. The highlights:

They expected his value to the team to be the equivalent of a 75M/5 player.
With a .8 predicted WAR for this year climbing to an average WAR of close to +5 through his second contract.
Closest similar player projections: Thaddeus Young, Jaylen Brown, Josh Jackson.

They predicted the valued of the top 5 rookies at:
1) Cade - 108M/5, Top War = 6.6
2) Suggs - 79M/5, Top War = 4.8
3) Barnes - 75M/5, Top War = 5
4) Green - 74 M/5, Top War = 5.6
5) Mobley - 68 M/5, Top War = 4.3

How far off do you think they got it?

How long until they rerun the numbers and update their projection?

[mulamutti]

I think we're all getting ahead of ourselves, but only just a little bit. Honestly, its Scottie's fault cuz of how amazing he's played so far. But I think it would benefit him for everyone to be a little patient. Let him work on aspects of his game; I think he should continue being off-ball initiator but throwing in some chances at being the primary PG on plays here and there.

The raptors traditionally don't allow players to try things in live games during the season. So you may not see Scottie Barnes dramatically do more and more new things, and that's probably good for him. He can focus and improve on things he's already good at this season: Post game, put backs, hustle plays, little mid-range and as much play making as possible. What's crazy is I think we would have been ecstatic if it took him 1-2 years to ramp up to his current level!! So we shouldn't be crazy and put additional expectations on him. Let him take 1-2 years to develop, he's probably gonna be an all-star by then.

[Psubs]

I think we're all getting ahead of ourselves, but only just a little bit. Honestly, its Scottie's fault cuz of how amazing he's played so far. But I think it would benefit him for everyone to be a little patient. Let him work on aspects of his game; I think he should continue being off-ball initiator but throwing in some chances at being the primary PG on plays here and there.

The raptors traditionally don't allow players to try things in live games during the season. So you may not see Scottie Barnes dramatically do more and more new things, and that's probably good for him. He can focus and improve on things he's already good at this season: Post game, put backs, hustle plays, little mid-range and as much play making as possible. What's crazy is I think we would have been ecstatic if it took him 1-2 years to ramp up to his current level!! So we shouldn't be crazy and put additional expectations on him. Let him take 1-2 years to develop, he's probably gonna be an all-star by then.

Yes, he is 2 years ahead of where I thought he would be developmentally. Kudos to the scouting team that was on the Barnes side; also for going to look at Giddey as a backup selection.

Where is Davion Mitchell? Chris Duarte is doing better.

[Danny1616]

Can someone please find a video of Barnes screaming "what the ****" when the refs called a foul on him, I was dying of laughter when that happened.

[tecumseh18]

I think we're all getting ahead of ourselves, but only just a little bit. Honestly, its Scottie's fault cuz of how amazing he's played so far. But I think it would benefit him for everyone to be a little patient. Let him work on aspects of his game; I think he should continue being off-ball initiator but throwing in some chances at being the primary PG on plays here and there.

The raptors traditionally don't allow players to try things in live games during the season. So you may not see Scottie Barnes dramatically do more and more new things, and that's probably good for him. He can focus and improve on things he's already good at this season: Post game, put backs, hustle plays, little mid-range and as much play making as possible. What's crazy is I think we would have been ecstatic if it took him 1-2 years to ramp up to his current level!! So we shouldn't be crazy and put additional expectations on him. Let him take 1-2 years to develop, he's probably gonna be an all-star by then.

Scottie is already a natural passer, so that's not the focus of development right now. As Nick has been saying, he has show aggression and confidence in his shot, or defenders will sag off and play him to pass all the time. So the passing lanes will be blocked.

When Scottie's shot finally gets there, THEN he can start setting up others in the half-court. Nothing is more important right now for the Raptors than getting Scottie to that point. OG is pretty clearly not "that guy", so developing him further has to take second place.

[AT17]

Among all the analysts on draft day, David Thorpe was the one that I thought really stood out in being high on Scottie. He put Evan Mobley at #1 and Scottie at #2, and I think the rest is Cade, Green, and Suggs. It turns out he wasn't far off if it turns out that Mobley and Barnes are fighting for ROY.

Among many pathways in entering in to the league and climbing front office ranks (e.g. Agent, Businessman, Lawyer, former player), it was Masai that came in to the NBA as an unpaid scout. He cut his teeth in this area and got his break as a scout. I think its no accident that the Raptors' draft success has been moulded around his vision and skillset in this area.

[DG88]

Scottie is doubtful with a sprained right thumb. He's probably out for a week.

[tecumseh18]

Among many pathways in entering in to the league and climbing front office ranks (e.g. Agent, Businessman, Lawyer, former player), it was Masai that came in to the NBA as an unpaid scout. He cut his teeth in this area and got his break as a scout. I think its no accident that the Raptors' draft success has been moulded around his vision and skillset in this area.

And trade success. And low end FA acquisitions (e.g. Svi) Many are quick to let Bobby share the credit, but he's a cap space nerd. Still very necessary in a successful franchise, and he may be learning some scouting tricks from Masai and Dan Tolzman. But it will never be his strength. Masai is the leader in that regard.

It was interesting to hear lately of the contrast in styles between Masai and Dan. Masai wants the longer types, Dan wants the skills. Malachi apparently was a Dan pick. But I can't remember who really wanted Siakam at #27. Not sure it was made clear in that Open Gym draft episode.