The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[RookieStar]

OH yeah interesting..

Suggs had gravity. He really did suck in the defenders every time he had the ball... it was in the back of my mind.

[The Real Dalic]

Game versus Toronto was the first one i watched Barnes full game and i must say i am more pleased with Suggs and Wagner.
Barnes role was really limited compared to Suggs and even Wagner. He scored almost exclusively on open midrangers that we propably wanted him to shoot. He happened to make them but i would give him that look everytime. He didnt create any advantages for their offense. He looked really similar to AG on a hot streak, but maybe smarter. Defensively he was nothing spectacular. He cant guard smaller players like Wagner can.
Suggs had his struggles but he didnt settle for long two's like Scottie. He really collapsed Toronto defense on many occasions and made the right play. His finishing is kind of bad, but thats easier to correct than getting to the rim.
Wagner was interesting. Was it only me seeing him starting to change speeds when on the ball ? It didnt went in a lot, but shots he created were decent.
I stand by my opinion before the draft, i prefer Wagner to Barnes. In the end our two rookies shined in the clutch and Barnes just disappeared as expected when defense tightens.

If you truly don't like Barnes and feel he won't be anything special, that's a fine opinion for you to have.

However, I'm hoping it's not a "tear him down to build my guy up" kind of post. Because I don't think that needs to happen in this case.

Both teams could have gotten the guy they wanted and both guys could be great. In this case three with Franz included.

I personally feel both teams hit on every pick. Even Banton looks amazing as a long and lanky backup PG for them.

[RookieStar]

Game versus Toronto was the first one i watched Barnes full game and i must say i am more pleased with Suggs and Wagner.
Barnes role was really limited compared to Suggs and even Wagner. He scored almost exclusively on open midrangers that we propably wanted him to shoot. He happened to make them but i would give him that look everytime. He didnt create any advantages for their offense. He looked really similar to AG on a hot streak, but maybe smarter. Defensively he was nothing spectacular. He cant guard smaller players like Wagner can.
Suggs had his struggles but he didnt settle for long two's like Scottie. He really collapsed Toronto defense on many occasions and made the right play. His finishing is kind of bad, but thats easier to correct than getting to the rim.
Wagner was interesting. Was it only me seeing him starting to change speeds when on the ball ? It didnt went in a lot, but shots he created were decent.
I stand by my opinion before the draft, i prefer Wagner to Barnes. In the end our two rookies shined in the clutch and Barnes just disappeared as expected when defense tightens.

If you truly don't like Barnes and feel he won't be anything special, that's a fine opinion for you to have.

However, I'm hoping it's not a "tear him down to build my guy up" kind of post. Because I don't think that needs to happen in this case.

Both teams could have gotten the guy they wanted and both guys could be great. In this case three with Franz included.

I personally feel both teams hit on every pick. Even Banton looks amazing as a long and lanky backup PG for them.

Agree. Don't be like the bitter insecure Raps fans around here. Barnes has shown good things so far. Is it like that past season where we thought AG finally broke out after the 10 games or so or can Barnes be consistent all throughout? Time will tell. Not one of us here can predict the future.

However, aside from Cade and Kuminga ( who are injured and hasn't played yet ) I felt that picks 1-9 have been pretty good so far. So all teams I think should be happy who they got. Zaire Williams at 10 I think is the only one who I feel hasn't lived up or shown promise for such a high spot.

[zaymon]

Game versus Toronto was the first one i watched Barnes full game and i must say i am more pleased with Suggs and Wagner.
Barnes role was really limited compared to Suggs and even Wagner. He scored almost exclusively on open midrangers that we propably wanted him to shoot. He happened to make them but i would give him that look everytime. He didnt create any advantages for their offense. He looked really similar to AG on a hot streak, but maybe smarter. Defensively he was nothing spectacular. He cant guard smaller players like Wagner can.
Suggs had his struggles but he didnt settle for long two's like Scottie. He really collapsed Toronto defense on many occasions and made the right play. His finishing is kind of bad, but thats easier to correct than getting to the rim.
Wagner was interesting. Was it only me seeing him starting to change speeds when on the ball ? It didnt went in a lot, but shots he created were decent.
I stand by my opinion before the draft, i prefer Wagner to Barnes. In the end our two rookies shined in the clutch and Barnes just disappeared as expected when defense tightens.

If you truly don't like Barnes and feel he won't be anything special, that's a fine opinion for you to have.

However, I'm hoping it's not a "tear him down to build my guy up" kind of post. Because I don't think that needs to happen in this case.

Both teams could have gotten the guy they wanted and both guys could be great. In this case three with Franz included.

I personally feel both teams hit on every pick. Even Banton looks amazing as a long and lanky backup PG for them.

I didnt say anything about his potential or future just described what i saw. Watch his highlights its mostly open midrange shots with Bamba being late on contest. I like Barnes but this game he showed nothing special becouse his role is very limited. Nothing against him but facts are facts i wont lie in my posts to please everyone.

[tooler]

That was the first time I saw Barnes and I agree with the consensus: he looks great on Toronto, and he would have been pretty bad for Orlando. We just don't have the roster for him.

[Skybox]

Game versus Toronto was the first one i watched Barnes full game and i must say i am more pleased with Suggs and Wagner.
Barnes role was really limited compared to Suggs and even Wagner. He scored almost exclusively on open midrangers that we propably wanted him to shoot. He happened to make them but i would give him that look everytime. He didnt create any advantages for their offense. He looked really similar to AG on a hot streak, but maybe smarter. Defensively he was nothing spectacular. He cant guard smaller players like Wagner can.
Suggs had his struggles but he didnt settle for long two's like Scottie. He really collapsed Toronto defense on many occasions and made the right play. His finishing is kind of bad, but thats easier to correct than getting to the rim.
Wagner was interesting. Was it only me seeing him starting to change speeds when on the ball ? It didnt went in a lot, but shots he created were decent.
I stand by my opinion before the draft, i prefer Wagner to Barnes. In the end our two rookies shined in the clutch and Barnes just disappeared as expected when defense tightens.

If you truly don't like Barnes and feel he won't be anything special, that's a fine opinion for you to have.

However, I'm hoping it's not a "tear him down to build my guy up" kind of post. Because I don't think that needs to happen in this case.

Both teams could have gotten the guy they wanted and both guys could be great. In this case three with Franz included.

I personally feel both teams hit on every pick. Even Banton looks amazing as a long and lanky backup PG for them.

I didnt say anything about his potential or future just described what i saw. Watch his highlights its mostly open midrange shots with Bamba being late on contest. I like Barnes but this game he showed nothing special becouse his role is very limited. Nothing against him but facts are facts i wont lie in my posts to please everyone.

I didn't see any attack. Playing like "AG on a hot streak" is a really good player. I think that's a pretty good comp...It's also fair to say Barnes is not a generational 6'9 PG as many were running wild with pre-draft. He's a good, mobile big with a fantastic motor. High bball IQ but not overwhelming skillset. He's playing great in an unconventional role with an unconventional lineup. Nick Nurse may be the guy who can keep that magic going. He's really really good and seems like a great kid. We're allowed to be critical...people here are certainly not hesitant to dump on our own team relentlessly here.

[RookieStar]

That was the first time I saw Barnes and I agree with the consensus: he looks great on Toronto, and he would have been pretty bad for Orlando. We just don't have the roster for him.

Absolutely. Him being in a vet team and coach with a structure already in place... perfect situation for him to maximize his potential. Don't think he would be the same with us. He gets open a lot to make those uncontested shots which to his credit actually goes in.

[Ralof]

it's getting ridiculous,,can't believe we wasted another top 5 pick

[RookieStar]

it's getting ridiculous,,can't believe we wasted another top 5 pick

lol wut? in a grand total of 6 games? you are ready to call Suggs a bust? wow...

I mean he just scored 20pts the other game and if not for the TO by coach could have won us by his game winner...

but sure... suggs is a wasted pick

[The Real Dalic]

If you truly don't like Barnes and feel he won't be anything special, that's a fine opinion for you to have.

However, I'm hoping it's not a "tear him down to build my guy up" kind of post. Because I don't think that needs to happen in this case.

Both teams could have gotten the guy they wanted and both guys could be great. In this case three with Franz included.

I personally feel both teams hit on every pick. Even Banton looks amazing as a long and lanky backup PG for them.

I didnt say anything about his potential or future just described what i saw. Watch his highlights its mostly open midrange shots with Bamba being late on contest. I like Barnes but this game he showed nothing special becouse his role is very limited. Nothing against him but facts are facts i wont lie in my posts to please everyone.

I didn't see any attack. Playing like "AG on a hot streak" is a really good player. I think that's a pretty good comp...It's also fair to say Barnes is not a generational 6'9 PG as many were running wild with pre-draft. He's a good, mobile big with a fantastic motor. High bball IQ but not overwhelming skillset. He's playing great in an unconventional role with an unconventional lineup. Nick Nurse may be the guy who can keep that magic going. He's really really good and seems like a great kid. We're allowed to be critical...people here are certainly not hesitant to dump on our own team relentlessly here.

1. I didn't say he lied anywhere. 2. I'm one of the ones that's always defending the players, coaches, and organization around here.

I was just saying that his post read like he was being a little defensive or trying to justify the Magic's picks by crapping on Barnes a little bit considering the fact that he kept comparing Barnes to both of our rookies.

If he think Barnes will not be anymore than AG for the Raptors. That's fine. I'm just hoping he's not saying that just prop up Suggs and Franz for the reasons I said before. That's all. I'm not meaning to offend or anything.

[RookieStar]

I didnt say anything about his potential or future just described what i saw. Watch his highlights its mostly open midrange shots with Bamba being late on contest. I like Barnes but this game he showed nothing special becouse his role is very limited. Nothing against him but facts are facts i wont lie in my posts to please everyone.

I didn't see any attack. Playing like "AG on a hot streak" is a really good player. I think that's a pretty good comp...It's also fair to say Barnes is not a generational 6'9 PG as many were running wild with pre-draft. He's a good, mobile big with a fantastic motor. High bball IQ but not overwhelming skillset. He's playing great in an unconventional role with an unconventional lineup. Nick Nurse may be the guy who can keep that magic going. He's really really good and seems like a great kid. We're allowed to be critical...people here are certainly not hesitant to dump on our own team relentlessly here.

1. I didn't say he lied anywhere. 2. I'm one of the ones that's always defending the players, coaches, and organization around here.

I was just saying that his post read like he was being a little defensive or trying to justify the Magic's picks by crapping on Barnes a little bit considering the fact that he kept comparing Barnes to both of our rookies.

If he think Barnes will not be anymore than AG for the Raptors. That's fine. I'm just hoping he's not saying that just prop up Suggs and Franz for the reasons I said before. That's all. I'm not meaning to offend or anything.

You are both right. Look at this from a neutral basketball fan point of view. Barnes numbers are productive in this small sample size. In the top of my head, it's probably only Mobley that are posting better numbers than him. Or maybe Duarte.. I dunno.

Zaymon is right that Barnes role, compared to Suggs might "seem" limited. However that is because SB benefits from playing with a structure offense with a vet team and vet coach already. We also don't use them the same way.

We give the ball to Suggs expecting him to create and thus you can see his gravity. Even in the 3pt line opponents are already ready to swarm him, trying to take away his 3pt shot or his driving lane. I mean we saw that Suggs already draws the assignment of best ball defender from teams like the Celt's Smart.

SB, when he gets the ball is in the flow of the offense. He has teammates which are offensive threats that's why it again might seem he is open to take those mid-range a lot. However, that is not to be underestimated. You have to have the BBIQ to be in that place in the right time to be open and you actually have to be able to make the shot. That takes skill,luck or whatever you wanna call it to be considered a good player. Thus, as I said it is the best situation for him.

[zaymon]

I didn't see any attack. Playing like "AG on a hot streak" is a really good player. I think that's a pretty good comp...It's also fair to say Barnes is not a generational 6'9 PG as many were running wild with pre-draft. He's a good, mobile big with a fantastic motor. High bball IQ but not overwhelming skillset. He's playing great in an unconventional role with an unconventional lineup. Nick Nurse may be the guy who can keep that magic going. He's really really good and seems like a great kid. We're allowed to be critical...people here are certainly not hesitant to dump on our own team relentlessly here.

1. I didn't say he lied anywhere. 2. I'm one of the ones that's always defending the players, coaches, and organization around here.

I was just saying that his post read like he was being a little defensive or trying to justify the Magic's picks by crapping on Barnes a little bit considering the fact that he kept comparing Barnes to both of our rookies.

If he think Barnes will not be anymore than AG for the Raptors. That's fine. I'm just hoping he's not saying that just prop up Suggs and Franz for the reasons I said before. That's all. I'm not meaning to offend or anything.

You are both right. Look at this from a neutral basketball fan point of view. Barnes numbers are productive in this small sample size. In the top of my head, it's probably only Mobley that are posting better numbers than him. Or maybe Duarte.. I dunno.

Zaymon is right that Barnes role, compared to Suggs might "seem" limited. However that is because SB benefits from playing with a structure offense with a vet team and vet coach already. We also don't use them the same way.

We give the ball to Suggs expecting him to create and thus you can see his gravity. Even in the 3pt line opponents are already ready to swarm him, trying to take away his 3pt shot or his driving lane. I mean we saw that Suggs already draws the assignment of best ball defender from teams like the Celt's Smart.

SB, when he gets the ball is in the flow of the offense. He has teammates which are offensive threats that's why it again might seem he is open to take those mid-range a lot. However, that is not to be underestimated. You have to have the BBIQ to be in that place in the right time to be open and you actually have to be able to make the shot. That takes skill,luck or whatever you wanna call it to be considered a good player. Thus, as I said it is the best situation for him.

I just watched Barnes highlights versus Pacers where he was actually guarded.... yeah he looks good.

[Blue_and_Whte]

it's getting ridiculous,,can't believe we wasted another top 5 pick

So since 6 games in is all telling…..who would you have picked?

[HKBOY]

poor take. if you think suggs has superstar potential, there are better reasons to believe Barnes has potential to become a superstar that wins championships. barnes is far from a finished product just like suggs, but suggs is a small boy when compared to barnes and he's way more versatile and has higher iq on the defensive end, he also has vision, ball handling and playmaking skills. how often do you find a guy who's 6'8 with a 7'4 wingspan that have these skills and attributes, let alone a 19 year old? you can't teach many of these things. you put him in the raptors development program, watch the **** out. he's more talented than OG and Siakam when they came out of college. most Raptors fans didn't like the pick initially because most were buying the media hype and this cOnSenSus toP 4 drivel. don't know how you can confidently say Masai clearly **** up when this man has drafted and developed studs in the past, has scouted these prospects since their mid teens, worked them out individually, extensively interviewed them, watched every single one of their games, has a better idea of what wins championships, and hasspoken to people who are plugged in to all these prospects. "He just loves tall players who are athletic, have long wingspan and know how to play defense." well yeah, you can't teach height, long wingspans, defensive versatility and athleticism and there is an abundance of smaller skilled guards. he's going for the home run and he has to if he wants to win more championships.

Barnes isn't going to be a superstar, the dude shot 27% from 3 and 62% from the free throw line. Yes, he is a good defender, has vision and he can handle the ball but so does Draymond and Pascal. Are they superstars? Can you count on them to take the last shot in game 7 of the playoff?

You don't waste a top 4 pick in a deep draft on a high end role player, you use it on a potential star like Suggs.

we've now had a chance to see them both against NBA competition. Suggs has a lot to work on, especially his handle and getting some consistency in his jump shot., even having an overall impact on the game. He certainly has weaknesses in his game despite professing proudly that he doesn't. I reiterate my original issue with your posts: don't know how any of you can confidently say Masai clearly **** up or wasted a top 4 pick on Barnes. Hopefully y'all changed your tune and appreciate why Masai did what he did.

Late response here, but I do want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

I still believe Suggs can become a good player in this league. His D and understanding of the game is good, but he is just having a slow start on offense. Barnes on the other hand, reminds me of a stronger younger Kawhi with Lowry's leadership.

[Ralof]

it's getting ridiculous,,can't believe we wasted another top 5 pick

So since 6 games in is all telling…..who would you have picked?

no one else,suggs was #2 on my board,i was ecstatic when we draft him.
and i was deadly wrong,as the majority of scouts and gm.

but drafts are always like this,when we had worst record in the league giannis and gobert went like #15 and #28,nothing you can do about that

[God Squad]

it's getting ridiculous,,can't believe we wasted another top 5 pick

So since 6 games in is all telling…..who would you have picked?

no one else,suggs was #2 on my board,i was ecstatic when we draft him.
and i was deadly wrong,as the majority of scouts and gm.

but drafts are always like this,when we had worst record in the league giannis and gobert went like #15 and #28,nothing you can do about that

Bruh it's been 5-6 games don't give up yet, you trippin. He's clearly shown some legit NBA skills that boarder on elite. His defense and passing in transition is borderline elite already. Yes he'll need to improve consistency and his handle, but so does Jalen Green. But unlike Green Suggs is able to contribute to winning basketball by being a willing passer and fiesty defender.

Suggs isn't the instant offense you/we probably would have liked, but that doesn't mean he can't put it together. He clealy IMO at least plays with a chip on his shoulder(especially on defense). If people think Suggs is playing bad, I wonder what they think of the way Green's been playing.

Spoiler:

I just want to add not all Raptor fans are the same, and apologize on behalf of the loud minority. I was a Suggs fan pre draft and remain one now. Obviously I'm team Barnes, but that doesn't mean I don't want everyone to reach their ceiling. Temp ban those that derail or antagonize IMO

[basketballRob]

Raptors fans have hijacked the Suggs thread again.

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[JBSouthpaw]

I've been skeptical of Suggs in this thread, but really only on what he is now, not what he can be.
When you are on a team like he's been, you are getting a lot asked of you, it's going to take some time to get adjusted.
I love that he is getting to the line(and we all know he hasn't gotten a ton of calls).

IF we were drafting on these 1st few games, would Chris Duarte go in the top 3?
You still have to factor in ceiling, with Suggs still has!
Heck, he's still got better numbers than Elf had in his 1st 2 years!!

[yoyojw17]

Barnes and Suggs are 2 totally different players in two totally different situations..... and because of that their trajectories are going to be different.

one is already a physical specimen coming into the league and plays on a team where he can be that complimentary player from day one, with veteran leadership around him. The other is still a physical specimen for the PG position, playing shooting guard, and having the weight of the organization and fan expectations to lead them to the promiseland... and you can see he is trying his best to do so.... and possibly to a fault.

NOW... what do i think will happen? I think they will both be exceptional players in this league when they hit their primes. Don't forget... that is an option too. One doesn't have to be better than the other... they can both flourish and become what their team needs from them.

As the game slows down for Suggs ... we will see a different version of him. We are only 7 games into the season where all eyes are on him as a 20 yo. Crap... i remember anthony edwards being **** on at the beginning of the season.... comes back from all star weekend and was eating everyones cookies. And to compare to other recent player... i remember people wanting to offer up the 5th pick... 8th pick.... and whatever else the rockets wanted... to get the perfect offensive weapon in Jalen Green. 6-7 games in... would we be kicking ourselves in the ass right now if he was performing similarly.... while suggs and franz were playing in houston?

let's not expect too much out of the rookies. But if we see great things... there is much to be happy about.

[tiderulz]

Barnes isn't going to be a superstar, the dude shot 27% from 3 and 62% from the free throw line. Yes, he is a good defender, has vision and he can handle the ball but so does Draymond and Pascal. Are they superstars? Can you count on them to take the last shot in game 7 of the playoff?

You don't waste a top 4 pick in a deep draft on a high end role player, you use it on a potential star like Suggs.

we've now had a chance to see them both against NBA competition. Suggs has a lot to work on, especially his handle and getting some consistency in his jump shot., even having an overall impact on the game. He certainly has weaknesses in his game despite professing proudly that he doesn't. I reiterate my original issue with your posts: don't know how any of you can confidently say Masai clearly **** up or wasted a top 4 pick on Barnes. Hopefully y'all changed your tune and appreciate why Masai did what he did.

Late response here, but I do want to apologize to Masai and Bobby for doubting them on draft night. Barnes is the real deal and I am happy that I am eating crow everyday.

I still believe Suggs can become a good player in this league. His D and understanding of the game is good, but he is just having a slow start on offense. Barnes on the other hand, reminds me of a stronger younger Kawhi with Lowry's leadership.

go to the Toronto board for these statements. we dont care, Bobby and Masai have nothing to do with Orlando and Barnes wasnt available to us.