2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

Post #1 » by **bisme37** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 5:53 pm

It's week 3 of the season and you guys and gals already broke the rookie thread. Congrats!

Lots of terrific young guys to discuss so here's the place for all of your rookie discussion, hype, and well-reasoned criticism. Enjoy!

(Continued from part 1 -- viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2127482 )

Blazing_royale · Post #2 » by **Blazing_royale** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 6:01 pm

First post. Scottie Barnes baby! really surprised with his performance so far since people were hating on the Raptors passing on suggs. His shot is not as bad as advertised, still some work to do.

Post #3 » by **Marcus** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 6:10 pm

Blazing_royale wrote:First post. Scottie Barnes baby! really surprised with his performance so far since people were hating on the Raptors passing on suggs. His shot is not as bad as advertised, still some work to do.

he's definitely put the work in to make that shot more fluid and you can tell which spots on the floor he dedicated those hours to in order to claim spots at this level. For those of us familiar with him for years now the rest isn't surprising. the fact that the kid put this much time into his game already is regular by the Scottie metrics. Kudos to Nurse for letting Scottie be Scottie out there, letting him play unrestrained is very important to maximizing his entire skillset.

Vampirate · Post #4 » by **Vampirate** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 7:08 pm

Marcus wrote:
Blazing_royale wrote:First post. Scottie Barnes baby! really surprised with his performance so far since people were hating on the Raptors passing on suggs. His shot is not as bad as advertised, still some work to do.

he's definitely put the work in to make that shot more fluid and you can tell which spots on the floor he dedicated those hours to in order to claim spots at this level. For those of us familiar with him for years now the rest isn't surprising. the fact that the kid put this much time into his game already is regular by the Scottie metrics. Kudos to Nurse for letting Scottie be Scottie out there, letting him play unrestrained is very important to maximizing his entire skillset.

I'm legit struggling to find a player who Barnes can become if he reaches his apex potential because he's so hard to predict moving forwards.

Evan Mobley has All Time potential, but he's pretty easy to see how he could progress moving forewords.

Jalen Green looks to be a 25-30 point scorer in the future.

Cade looks like he's in the Paul Pierce mold.

I'd say Suggs is a mix between John Wall and Lowry.

As for Barnes, the closest thing his max ceiling I can give is.....a better Jimmy Butler? Does this make sense? He basically looks more advanced than Jimmy did (so far) in his rookie year as a scorer.

Butler has great athleticism and good size but made himself who is is today because of his work ethic. Barnes seems to have Butler's work ethic by what i'm hearing but in a Pippen like body.

Of course he may not ever be as good as Butler is now so only time will tell.

DCasey91 · Post #5 » by **DCasey91** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 7:43 pm

I think Barnes reminds the most of if Sixers Iggy was bigger and played like Pippen. Now I say bigger in height because Iggy has them all time smexy guns and was strong af whereas Pippen was taller and leaner.

Barnes will be a problem once he matures physically but his frame is superb. One thing at a time but that midrange is very promising.

For Mobs he’s very much like AD (+ defense - minus scoring) instead of Bosh with similarities to a less athletic but taller Russell on defense. I had Garnett but he was abit more bouncy and shorter. Never saw Bosh having this kind of defensive potential.

Both have as we probably know a super high floor and obviously plus impact players on winning which is unusual for a rookie because they aren’t the easiest positions to play being a first year and young to boot.

Hoping for more playing time to Butler today and for the OKC wings to stop clanking easy looks from Giddey’s passing lol. Dude should be averaging 7+ assists.

Anyway once again great class so many rooks to follow!

Tacoma · Post #6 » by **Tacoma** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:10 pm

Interesting watch on the rookies...

Watch on YouTube

Post #7 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:18 pm

Read on Twitter

?s=20

RookieStar · Post #8 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:28 pm

BTW, did Kuminga finally play? If not, when will he be back?

LoveMyRaps · Post #9 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:32 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-jalen-green-takes-early-lead-among-talented-class-175622496.html

Yahoo Sports has Jalen Green as the #1 rookie currently followed by Duarte. :lol:

The writer is Krysten Peek. Peak Stupidity.

Bruin · Post #10 » by **Bruin** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:44 pm

RookieStar wrote:BTW, did Kuminga finally play? If not, when will he be back?

He played in the last game. Only 6 minutes tho so hardly any opportunity to show anything

Had a steal, 2 turnovers, and hit a 3. (1/4 FG and 1/3 from deep). I’m assuming the minutes he played was only garbage time since the warriors won by 21

RookieStar · Post #11 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:48 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
RookieStar wrote:BTW, did Kuminga finally play? If not, when will he be back?

He played in the last game. Only 6 minutes tho so hardly any opportunity to show anything

Had a steal, 2 turnovers, and hit a 3. (1/4 FG and 1/3 from deep). I’m assuming the minutes he played was only garbage time since the warriors won by 21

Ah thanks.

Man, for our 8th pick, we were really debating about Moody, JB, Kuminga , Keon , Sengun m Giddy and even Springer. Glad Franz worked out for us so well. I mean it's neck and neck against Giddy in this so small a sample size so far though.

Just goes to show us fans are leagues behind in talent evaluation lol

Post #12 » by **bisme37** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:49 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-jalen-green-takes-early-lead-among-talented-class-175622496.html

Yahoo Sports has Jalen Green as the #1 rookie currently followed by Duarte.

The writer is Krysten Peek. Peak Stupidity.

Well, I think we might be sleeping on how good Duarte has been. NBA.com has him #1 on their rookie ladder, with Barnes at #2 and Mobley at #3.

1. Chris Duarte, Indiana Pacers
Season stats: 19.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg

To the elders, go the spoils. Based in part on the experience Duarte brings to his rookie season by virtue of being a 24-year-old rookie, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle put him in the starting lineup on opening night. From there, the 6-foot-6 guard averaged 19.8 points, 17 field-goal attempts and 38.3 minutes, with a positive plus/minus (6.3) in his first week of NBA work.

Read on Twitter

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-oct-27-2021-edition

Vampirate · Post #13 » by **Vampirate** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:55 pm

DCasey91 wrote:I think Barnes reminds the most of if Sixers Iggy was bigger and played like Pippen. Now I say bigger in height because Iggy has them all time smexy guns and was strong af whereas Pippen was taller and leaner.

Barnes will be a problem once he matures physically but his frame is superb. One thing at a time but that midrange is very promising.

For Mobs he’s very much like AD (+ defense - minus scoring) instead of Bosh with similarities to a less athletic but taller Russell on defense. I had Garnett but he was abit more bouncy and shorter. Never saw Bosh having this kind of defensive potential.

Both have as we probably know a super high floor and obviously plus impact players on winning which is unusual for a rookie because they aren’t the easiest positions to play being a first year and young to boot.

Hoping for more playing time to Butler today and for the OKC wings to stop clanking easy looks from Giddey’s passing lol. Dude should be averaging 7+ assists.

Anyway once again great class so many rooks to follow!

On a lighthearted note, i've been thinking of nick names, no idea on Barnes ('Scottie 2 Hottie' is just eeehh, not a fan), but Mobley's is probably much easier, something like The Mob or The Mob'ster :lol:

RookieStar · Post #14 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 8:58 pm

These weekly rookie rankings should be treated like how tankathon/nbadraft treats its rookie rankings. A single ncaa/GL game where you scored 20+ points shoot you up 5 spots higher in rankings where the next day, another 3 players had double2x , game winners, etc shoots them up and you dropped down 10 spots or so despite not doing anything.

It's fine, I actually think we need to evaluate them monthly where averages can be taken in that many games played. Although I admit, it's fun speculating every 5 games or so.

LoveMyRaps · Post #15 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:01 pm

bisme37 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-jalen-green-takes-early-lead-among-talented-class-175622496.html

Yahoo Sports has Jalen Green as the #1 rookie currently followed by Duarte.

The writer is Krysten Peek. Peak Stupidity.

Well, I think we might be sleeping on how good Duarte has been. NBA.com has him #1 on their rookie ladder, with Barnes at #2 and Mobley at #3.

1. Chris Duarte, Indiana Pacers
Season stats: 19.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg

To the elders, go the spoils. Based in part on the experience Duarte brings to his rookie season by virtue of being a 24-year-old rookie, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle put him in the starting lineup on opening night. From there, the 6-foot-6 guard averaged 19.8 points, 17 field-goal attempts and 38.3 minutes, with a positive plus/minus (6.3) in his first week of NBA work.

Read on Twitter

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-oct-27-2021-edition

The only real problem I have here is Green being ranked ahead of Barnes, Mobley, & Duarte.

But even with Duarte, there is no reason for him to be ranked ahead of Barnes. The two played twice in the last week alone and Barnes outplayed him both games.

Here are the season numbers:

Yeah, it isn't really close.

nikster · Post #16 » by **nikster** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:05 pm

bisme37 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-jalen-green-takes-early-lead-among-talented-class-175622496.html

Yahoo Sports has Jalen Green as the #1 rookie currently followed by Duarte.

The writer is Krysten Peek. Peak Stupidity.

Well, I think we might be sleeping on how good Duarte has been. NBA.com has him #1 on their rookie ladder, with Barnes at #2 and Mobley at #3.

1. Chris Duarte, Indiana Pacers
Season stats: 19.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg

To the elders, go the spoils. Based in part on the experience Duarte brings to his rookie season by virtue of being a 24-year-old rookie, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle put him in the starting lineup on opening night. From there, the 6-foot-6 guard averaged 19.8 points, 17 field-goal attempts and 38.3 minutes, with a positive plus/minus (6.3) in his first week of NBA work.

Read on Twitter

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-oct-27-2021-edition

I think Barnes retakes that number 1 spot (and think he should have been before, but I get that Duarte is more of a surprise). Barnes now passed him as the leading scorer among rookies,is doing it more effectively, while being a much better rebounder and defender.

basketballRob · Post #17 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:13 pm

nikster wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rookie-rankings-jalen-green-takes-early-lead-among-talented-class-175622496.html

Yahoo Sports has Jalen Green as the #1 rookie currently followed by Duarte.

The writer is Krysten Peek. Peak Stupidity.

Well, I think we might be sleeping on how good Duarte has been. NBA.com has him #1 on their rookie ladder, with Barnes at #2 and Mobley at #3.

1. Chris Duarte, Indiana Pacers
Season stats: 19.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg

To the elders, go the spoils. Based in part on the experience Duarte brings to his rookie season by virtue of being a 24-year-old rookie, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle put him in the starting lineup on opening night. From there, the 6-foot-6 guard averaged 19.8 points, 17 field-goal attempts and 38.3 minutes, with a positive plus/minus (6.3) in his first week of NBA work.

Read on Twitter

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-oct-27-2021-edition

I think Barnes retakes that number 1 spot (and think he should have been before, but I get that Duarte is more of a surprise). Barnes now passed him as the leading scorer among rookies,is doing it more effectively, while being a much better rebounder and defender.

When does the rookie ladder come out? I think it might be on Tuesday.

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Bruin · Post #18 » by **Bruin** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:15 pm

RookieStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
RookieStar wrote:BTW, did Kuminga finally play? If not, when will he be back?

He played in the last game. Only 6 minutes tho so hardly any opportunity to show anything

Had a steal, 2 turnovers, and hit a 3. (1/4 FG and 1/3 from deep). I’m assuming the minutes he played was only garbage time since the warriors won by 21

Ah thanks.

Man, for our 8th pick, we were really debating about Moody, JB, Kuminga , Keon , Sengun m Giddy and even Springer. Glad Franz worked out for us so well. I mean it's neck and neck against Giddy in this so small a sample size so far though.

Just goes to show us fans are leagues behind in talent evaluation lol

Yeah Franz has been a pleasant surprise so far

Kuminga seems more like a project. Don’t really think he’s gonna contribute to winning basketball for at least a few years

kdthunderup · Post #19 » by **kdthunderup** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:27 pm

I’ve got Barnes, Mobley and Giddey as my top 3 so far. They’ve all been able to have a consistent positive influence already which is rare for rookies.

They all fit the 3 archetype for their positions that NBA teams are looking for.

2 Way Athletic Wing (Barnes)
Mobile Stretch Big (Mobley)
Tall Guards who can initiate offense (Giddey)

RookieStar · Post #20 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 9:27 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:He played in the last game. Only 6 minutes tho so hardly any opportunity to show anything

Had a steal, 2 turnovers, and hit a 3. (1/4 FG and 1/3 from deep). I’m assuming the minutes he played was only garbage time since the warriors won by 21

Ah thanks.

Man, for our 8th pick, we were really debating about Moody, JB, Kuminga , Keon , Sengun m Giddy and even Springer. Glad Franz worked out for us so well. I mean it's neck and neck against Giddy in this so small a sample size so far though.

Just goes to show us fans are leagues behind in talent evaluation lol

Yeah Franz has been a pleasant surprise so far

Kuminga seems more like a project. Don’t really think he’s gonna contribute to winning basketball for at least a few years

Who knows right now. SB and Franz were supposed to be offensively "lacking" of the top picks because of lack of offensive reputation on their college careers. Yet, Both of them scored double digits all through the regular season so far.

So maybe Kuminga isn't really a project/raw as we all think he is. That's what I am hoping to see.. if ever GSW decides to give him a chance anyway.

Which rookie impresses you the most?