2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Bruin]

i think the writings on the wall with Siakam being here. Youre gonna at some point have to choose 2 of OG/Siakam/Barnes and i think Siakam as at the bottom of that totem pole due to age. I'd look long and hard at a Coby White/Pat Will/portland 1st deal

It’s a deal that truly benefits both teams. Praying it happens, but not gonna get my hopes up

[DreamTeam09]

i think the writings on the wall with Siakam being here. Youre gonna at some point have to choose 2 of OG/Siakam/Barnes and i think Siakam as at the bottom of that totem pole due to age. I'd look long and hard at a Coby White/Pat Will/portland 1st deal

It’s a deal that truly benefits both teams. Praying it happens, but not gonna get my hopes up

That's a dumb deal, and even in your scenario the same thing happens except pwill is the worst player between og Barnes and siakam. You'd still have to choose between two of them and now you gave up siakam for pwill who's been injury prone for the first two years of his career and less good games than Barnes has already had in his first 7

OG has been operating as a 2guard this year and Barnes guards like every position.

You guys are saying the writing is on the wall without even seeing the 3 play together first, foolishness

[Bruin]

i think the writings on the wall with Siakam being here. Youre gonna at some point have to choose 2 of OG/Siakam/Barnes and i think Siakam as at the bottom of that totem pole due to age. I'd look long and hard at a Coby White/Pat Will/portland 1st deal

It’s a deal that truly benefits both teams. Praying it happens, but not gonna get my hopes up

That's a dumb deal, and even in your scenario the same thing happens except pwill is the worst player between og Barnes and siakam. You'd still have to choose between two of them and now you gave up siakam for pwill who's been injury prone for the first two years of his career and less good games than Barnes has already had in his first 7

OG has been operating as a 2guard this year and Barnes guards like every position.

You guys are saying the writing is on the wall without even seeing the 3 play together first, foolishness

You just said OG operates like a 2 guard so why would we have to make a decision between Barnes, OG, and Pwill

If anything it helps with our timeline and gets us a high potential prospect in Pwill and another good prospect in Coby

[nivisi9]

How about instead of Turner from Indy we go all in for Sabonis?

FVV, Trent, Boucher, 1st round pick for Sabonis

C- Sabonis
PF- Siakam
SF- OG
SG- Barnes
PG- Banton

Oh my give me thatt

[HumbleRen]

Siakam/3 future first round picks for SGA.

Presti can't say no to first round picks.

[Gold Dragon]

What about if Memphis is making a playoff push…

Dragic


For

Jarret Culver
Tyus Jones
2nd rounder



We get a reclamation project of a player in culver and another flier pick

I agree memphis might be a good option

What about

Dragic, Flynn and Svi

For

Kyle Anderson, Culver and Brandon Clarke

Trying to fill out a Canadian Killer Bs bench mob

Banton Brandon Boucher Birch

Taylor Jenkins newer offensive approach meant to open up the floor for Ja might be good fits for Dragic and Malachi.

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2021/10/19/22733749/how-the-4-point-line-could-help-the-grizzlies-offense-reach-new-heights-memphis-ja-morant-nba

[mihaic]

How about instead of Turner from Indy we go all in for Sabonis?

FVV, Trent, Boucher, 1st round pick for Sabonis

C- Sabonis
PF- Siakam
SF- OG
SG- Barnes
PG- Banton

Oh my give me thatt

Way too much for Sabonis; plus Fred not going anywhere, he is our leader like it or not. You can't assume Banton is a starter after a few games, teams would just pack the paint. And I would like to keep Trent for now, seems like a guy who works extra hard.

But if we can do that deal for Dragic (i.e. filler), Flynn, 1st, 2nd, and One of Boucher/Achiuwa then sign me up. Replace Sabonis for Turner and it is still a deal for me.

* I am probably a homer, I am sure Indiana values their best players more...

[Ell Curry]

I've sort of written this elsewhere, but I'm thinking Masai's long-term plan is something like this. Plug in whatever wing scorer/shooter we pick in the teens this coming draft, I'll say Peyton Watson from UCLA because he fits the bill and seems to be in a tier behind the top wings in the draft so should go right around where we pick since he should get overshadowed by UCLA's NBA ready wings in Jacquez and Juzang (and Bernard is a solid starter coming back too, so I imagine Watson will be their 6th man), but picture Nikola Jovic or an injury question marked Adrian Griffin Jr or the Canadian Mathurin or whoever you like:

Center 20 Achiuwa 20 Barnes 8
Siakam 34 Barnes 14
Barnes 14 Watson 24 OG 10
OG 24 Trent 24
VanVleet 30 Banton 18

and if that is the plan, trading Dragic for Dwight Powell and Cauley-Stein for example would get us under the tax this year and give us an expiring in Powell we could trade with Birch and a first rounder to get a proper center when that's the last major piece to us being a 50 win team that wins tons of regular season games but struggles in the halfcourt, which is probably what we're looking at unless another disgruntled star falls in our lap.

It would be nice if the Pistons panic and demand the playoffs and trade us Olynyk and a random filler like Josh Jackso for Dragic and a 2nd rounder. We'd get under the tax and a shooting 5 on a mid-size contract we can eventually deal, they'd get a proper PG to be able to play Dragic-Cade-Grant-Bey-Stewart instead of having a massive hole in the starting lineup and get the kind of solid play Cleveland has now from Rubio. They're dead last in scoring by an absolute mile, and Cade will help but won't fix that himself. Not sure Dragic would be up for it, though. Maybe he goes to the Clippers and Bledsoe goes to Detroit or something similar.

[wegotthabeet]

Maybe Jamal Murray is attainable if he's out for the season. Don't know if it's realistic at all, but maybe it makes sense for both sides. I like the fit with the rest of our lineup.

Murray + filler for VV + GTJ + Boucher.

Toronto 2022-2023 Lineup

Murray
Anunoby
Barnes
Siakam
Achiuwa

Bench - Banton, Birch, Flynn, Watanabe, Svi, Harris (maybe) + 2022 FRP

Denver 2022 lineup

Vanvleet - Morris
Barton - Trent Jr.
Porter Jr. - Green
Gordon - Green
Jokic - Boucher

Toronto gets a potential elite scoring guard. Denver gets more depth for a deep playoff run and Porter Jr. becomes the 2nd option.

Murray is NOY available, he'll be back around the ASB then join Jokic to lead us to the Chip !!

Is that a typo? NOY = NOT? If so I get it.

Although Vanvleet + Trent Jr. + Boucher add depth and defence, MPJ clearly isn't good enough to be a 2nd option on championship level team. At least not yet.

[Ell Curry]

I think it's less likely we trade Siakam now than a month ago. We're playing a style seemingly suited well to his game and Barnes might be a star by year 2 or 3 so keeping Siakam and Fred seems like less of a timeline clash than we might have assumed.

[Saul Goodman]

Id rather keep Siakam to be honest. Barnes is looking like a special talent and Pascal is young enough to be his running mate. The idea should be putting Barnes in the best position to succeed as he develops I dont really see a cant miss deal for Pascal out there that would bring back a cant miss player unless Sacramento wants to swap us DeAron Fox to us.

[WaltFrazier]

How about instead of Turner from Indy we go all in for Sabonis?

FVV, Trent, Boucher, 1st round pick for Sabonis

C- Sabonis
PF- Siakam
SF- OG
SG- Barnes
PG- Banton

Oh my give me thatt

I came here to ask, is there a realistic bigger C we can get? This isn't happening. What can we get without giving up Pascal, OG, or FVV?

[HumbleRen]

We’ll find out if Siakam here to stay or not within the first couple of months. If it’s clear that he’s holding back Barnes due to how similarly they play. Hes gone by next year.

[Saul Goodman]

i think Minnesota is a good spot for Boucher if they find themselves in the playoff hunt.



Jake Layman
Leandro Bolmaro
Was 2022 2nd


for

Boucher



Raptors get a recent late 1st to run in the 905. We also get a mid level 2nd to grab another Banton






Precious/Birch
Pascal/Yuta
OG/Svi
Barnes/Trent
Fred/Banton


905

Johnson/Bolmaro/Champangie

[Asif16]

Boucher + Precious + Flynn for Christian Wood?

Wood fits the Height/Length/Athleticism criteria the Raptors like.

Fred VanVleet / Dalano Banton
OG Anunoby / Gary Trent Jr.
Scottie Barnes / Svi Mikhaluk
Pascal Siakam / Yuta Watanabe
Christian Wood / Khem Birch

That Starting LIneup has an incredible amount of length and defensive potential

[ItsDanger]

Suns decline option on Jalen Smith. I believe that makes him UFA next summer. Has to be available cheap if they did that. OKC should be all over this. Acquire him now? Neither of our 5's have his upside.

[DelAbbot]

i think the writings on the wall with Siakam being here. Youre gonna at some point have to choose 2 of OG/Siakam/Barnes and i think Siakam as at the bottom of that totem pole due to age. I'd look long and hard at a Coby White/Pat Will/portland 1st deal

It’s a deal that truly benefits both teams. Praying it happens, but not gonna get my hopes up

The side getting the best player (Siakam) wins - this is like trading quality (Siakam) for quantity. We need to trade the other way around.

Siakam/3 future first round picks for SGA.

Presti can't say no to first round picks.

The only reason Presti would trade SGA is to get younger (at similar value as SGA). Siakam is much older than SGA. Trade not possible.

[DelAbbot]

We’ll find out if Siakam here to stay or not within the first couple of months. If it’s clear that he’s holding back Barnes due to how similarly they play. Hes gone by next year.

This is very true. Right now Barnes game is 2018/2019 Siakam. Siakam himself needs find his 3pt stroke from 2019/2020 season before Covid, otherwise Siakam and Barnes are overlapping too much in their offensive game - post-ups and short midrange.

[douggood]

Suns decline option on Jalen Smith. I believe that makes him UFA next summer. Has to be available cheap if they did that. OKC should be all over this. Acquire him now? Neither of our 5's have his upside.

the problem is that if you acquire jalen smith, and he breaks out, the raptors cannot offer him more than the declined option salary, apx 4 million.
lose lose proposition, he's bad or he turns out to be good, cant resign him.

[ItsDanger]

Suns decline option on Jalen Smith. I believe that makes him UFA next summer. Has to be available cheap if they did that. OKC should be all over this. Acquire him now? Neither of our 5's have his upside.

the problem is that if you acquire jalen smith, and he breaks out, the raptors cannot offer him more than the declined option salary, apx 4 million.
lose lose proposition, he's bad or he turns out to be good, cant resign him.

So to acquire him, you can't really let him play and do better or else some other team can exceed $4M? What a crappy system.