The Tomjas Thread

[76ciology]

Spurs..

Spurs can keep Dejounte.

I want Keldon Johnson, Primo, 2 picks and a pick swap.

Dejounte Murray is so good right? Ok keep him.

I'd do this. Keldon is their most intriguing youngster to me and Primo has huge scoring upside. The picks are great too. That 2022 pick could be huge for us.

Keldon can help us right away while Primo and those picks get us a shot for a star player.

They’d do this trade if they really think Dejounte is really good.

[Negrodamus]

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He's definitely having a bad stretch, but I don't think he will be a trash shooter forever. Look at how he affects the defense by driving into the lane with ease. Even in misses, those are O-Rebs opportunities for Drummond and Embiid. If we do it sooner rather than later, Embiid and Fox would be able to form a decent rapport by seasons end and we'll be a formidable playoff opponent.

[kriss73]

Personally Ben+Shake and future picks for a lead point guard is the only trade I will do now.

Maxey is super nice from the bench, Thybulle will be a factor with the new rules and Korky is Shake-level but we need most a wing-like player than a combo guard if we trade for a PG.

[the_process]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pistons aren't trading you their unprotected 1st this year for Ben Simmons. And I'm not sure Thybulle moves the needle in a deal for a potential top 5 pick.

[the_process]

Spurs..

Spurs can keep Dejounte.

I want Keldon Johnson, Primo, 2 picks and a pick swap.

Dejounte Murray is so good right? Ok keep him.

I'd do this. Keldon is their most intriguing youngster to me and Primo has huge scoring upside. The picks are great too. That 2022 pick could be huge for us.

Keldon can help us right away while Primo and those picks get us a shot for a star player.

They’d do this trade if they really think Dejounte is really good.

Much higher on Vassell than Keldon.

Spurs would insist on at least top 4 protection on their pick this year. Loses a lot of luster.

But yeah they would do that deal.

Just keep in mind you'd also have to take back both Thad and Aminu to match salary. And they'd both have to be waived because not enough roster spots. That's a lot of dead salary.

[Negrodamus]

They aren't going to trade Keldon on the heels of sending him to the Olympics with Pop. I wouldn't really want him anyway. He doesn't solve anything that Niang doesn't already provide.

[ProcessDoctor]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

You do realize we’re getting a top 3 pick in return with that pistons pick right?

that is aside from getting two good 2 way big forwards that we need with our undersized forward players

We're not a rebuilding team anymore man. We can't be playing the lotto in the prime of Embiid's career unless we absolutely have to. There will be better win-now opportunities than that package.

If you choose to give up on Embiid because he's always unhealthy, then sure. Tear it all down and rebuild.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

[Mik317]

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

same thing we are doing right now?

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

same thing we are doing right now?

Which isn't good enough, smartass.

[Negrodamus]

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

Tobias has actually been pretty decent on those guys. Randle, Collins, Grant were all held in check recently.

[ProcessDoctor]

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

Tobias has actually been pretty decent on those guys. Randle, Collins, Grant were all held in check recently.

It's still been a huge dropoff. We can't win a chip being in the bottom half of the league defensively.

[Negrodamus]

One can only hope. My only question is what to do with Tobias after this. We have a huge defensive hole at the 3/4 with Simmons gone.

Tobias has actually been pretty decent on those guys. Randle, Collins, Grant were all held in check recently.

It's still been a huge dropoff. We can't win a chip being in the bottom half of the league defensively.

I mean, we're starting Seth Curry. Our defense has been built around hiding him because we're a deranged and flawed team.

[Skates]

If the Pelicans keep sucking might they become the infamous third team taking on either a bunch of Spurs and a few picks or a couple of T-Wolves and a bunch of picks in a three team deal where Ingram is incoming, Simmons is outgoing and the Pellies get the young/future pick haul? Small forward is a huge hole for us, and a separate deal for a lead guard with size like Coby White would address the two positions that are our biggest issues.

A Haliburton lead Sacto package is still my preferred Simmons trade, and I am starting to think that Dame's value is slipping at the moment. HIs small sample size of terrible shooting is slowly getting larger and the new rule enforcement changes this year do not favor a lot of tricky small guards getting to the line.

[kuclas]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

You do realize we’re getting a top 3 pick in return with that pistons pick right?

that is aside from getting two good 2 way big forwards that we need with our undersized forward players

Teams are not Billy king stupid anymore. Even Houston pre planned and put a top 4/5 draft protection on their 2021 nba draft pick with the Westbrook/Cp3 trade to okc.

And Houston tanked on purpose to guarantee themselves not to give up the 2021 pick. Like really tanked.

Minnesota put a top 4 protection in the Wiggins/dlo trade.

No bad teams or future bad teams rebuilding like the pistons will give up an unprotected 2022 first round pick. Pistons want to be bad again this season.

[Tomjas]

We draw the line at Dejounte Murray++ but we're willing to do this trade? Am I missing something?

You really like Dejounte and Vassell right?

"Really like" might be a bit strong, but it's definitely a nice return for Ben. Dejounte Murray has a similar effect as Ben, but is smaller and actually shoots. Vassell would probably be an overpay by the Spurs.

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

If Fox costs us Simmons then his value is massively inflated as he’s average (at best) at everything bar transition & slashing and is a putrid defender

A Sac package needs to start with Fox not simply be Fox

[Negrodamus]

You really like Dejounte and Vassell right?

"Really like" might be a bit strong, but it's definitely a nice return for Ben. Dejounte Murray has a similar effect as Ben, but is smaller and actually shoots. Vassell would probably be an overpay by the Spurs.

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

If Fox costs us Simmons then his value is massively inflated as he’s average (at best) at everything bar transition & slashing and is a putrid defender

A Sac package needs to start with Fox not simply be Fox

He's coming off a 25 (#15 in the NBA) and 7 (#9 in NBA) year with one of the best FTr (6th) for a guard in the league. The fact that he is struggling is the only reason they would consider trading him for Ben Simmons, imo.

[stormi]

"Really like" might be a bit strong, but it's definitely a nice return for Ben. Dejounte Murray has a similar effect as Ben, but is smaller and actually shoots. Vassell would probably be an overpay by the Spurs.

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.

If Fox costs us Simmons then his value is massively inflated as he’s average (at best) at everything bar transition & slashing and is a putrid defender

A Sac package needs to start with Fox not simply be Fox

He's coming off a 25 (#15 in the NBA) and 7 (#9 in NBA) year with one of the best FTr (6th) for a guard in the league. The fact that he is struggling is the only reason they would consider trading him for Ben Simmons, imo.

I also think the needs align very well between Sacramento and Philadephia unlike the OKC/NO pipedreams. They've just invested two lottery picks in consecutive years on guards and have a gaping need at forward. Also not a great defensive team that would really covet his defensive versatility and playmaking. And the ability to act as a rollman in the P&R with Davion/Hali.

And we need a lead guard. And lastly the contracts matchup 1 for 1.

Need them to spiral a little bit and then for this deal to get done.

[Kobblehead]

Spurs..

Spurs can keep Dejounte.

I want Keldon Johnson, Primo, 2 picks and a pick swap.

Dejounte Murray is so good right? Ok keep him.

Why do you like Keldon?

[Negrodamus]

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Did Doc mean this literally or it's the most he's seem him at shoot around?