Scottie in his book "Unguarded": MJ & I were never close friends & I was always the better teammate.

[MalagaBulls]

Not sure I would have aired dirty laundry 23 years after the last chip but it is what it is. I always thought they were a tight Batman & Robin but what do I know.
MJ was supremely demanding with his will to win so I could imagine moments where he could rub you the wrong way.

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[nekorajo]

Not sure I would have aired dirty laundry 23 years after the last chip but it is what it is. I always thought they were a tight Batman & Robin but what do I know.
MJ was supremely demanding with his will to win so I could imagine moments where he could rub you the wrong way.

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As an adult I totally get that relationships aren't always what they seem, but Scottie (my favorite player) cut me deep with that one.

[dougthonus]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

[The Explorer]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

He was always my favorite even above MJ, but yes he's always seemed a bit of a hothead, dating back to the gun in the car incident, the Kukoc buzzer beater, etc. But yes he seems worse ever since his divorce. It seems he lost his ESPN the jump gig as well.

[MalagaBulls]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

He was always my favorite even above MJ, but yes he's always seemed a bit of a hothead, dating back to the gun in the car incident, the Kukoc buzzer beater, etc. But yes he seems worse ever since his divorce. It seems he lost his ESPN the jump gig as well.

If he's bitter I recall MJ had nothing to do with his personal issues.

[holdenwait]

Scottie is tarnishing his legacy bit by bit with all the PR stunts and attention grabs.

" the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help."

didn't know about this however, must be difficult.

[Jcool0]

Pippen was always unlikable. Just who he is. Jordan felt slighted as a way to motivate himself. Pippen felt slighted because of his inferiority complex. Players might of liked him better because he wasn't on them like Jordan. But i don't remember Pippen ever being regarded as a great leader. He was just a great player.

[MAQ]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

Artist Gilmore introducing Kukoc was a but of a red flag for me in Pip. I know most recently he publically embarrassed the Bulls with his comments during all star weekend. I think it the Bulls would still have reached out to Pip for that ceremony however.

Just hope he's able to get through. I agree fully that he seems unwell.

[The Evidence]

Not this same ish again...

[weneeda2guard]

Never liked pippen character although I loved him as a player. Pip always came across as a whiney baby. Dating back to him signing a deal that he was advised not to sign then going public with it as if the front office did him wrong. If jordan had any lebron in him jordan would have shipped pippen off several times for assets and from what I heard pippen was on the table a few times and jordan stopped the trades. I know pippen wants to sell a book now but this revisionist history pippen is putting out here speaking as if we all don't remember him throwing chairs him failing when jordan was gone him saying screw the team and getting a surgery where it would keep him out during the season him basically being a no show for the entire 98 season.

Other things like pippen telling the committee he didn't want Isiah Thomas on the dream team jordan not saying anything but getting the blame for Thomas not being on the team and jordan never coming out publicly and saying that was not me that was pip. Pippen literally called jordan selfish for retiring the 1st time as if jordan didn't just lose his dam father in a gruesome way and tried to compare jordan retirement to him quiting on the team. Not the same pip.

[dougthonus]

Scottie is tarnishing his legacy bit by bit with all the PR stunts and attention grabs.

" the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help."

didn't know about this however, must be difficult.

He's had two of his children pass away, the son this past April. It's silly to play internet psychologist, but looking at all the problems Pippen has had over the years, it seems likely that at a minimum, he's not well adjusted. He's always had a victim mentality towards things, lashes out, doesn't have realistic expectations, seems perpetually unhappy, etc...

I don't know if it rises to the point of mental illness, but it might. Beyond that, a person that generally struggles and then has life pile up on him like a divorce, loss of two children, job troubles at ESPN and with the Bulls, struggling to adapt to life post superstardom, etc... is going to go from bad to worse real fast.

[madvillian]

I hope Scottie gets the help he needs he's giving me Lamar Odom vibes.

[cool007]

MJ was trying to win multiple championships and not become friends/family with the teammates. Work relationship is just fine.

It worked for him and the team. How did Pip do after leaving the Bulls??

[Ice Man]

Poor Scottie, he's a mess. It seems that he doesn't have somebody close who can counsel him to shut it down.

[gardenofsound]

MJ was trying to win multiple championships and not become friends/family with the teammates. Work relationship is just fine.

It worked for him and the team. How did Pip do after leaving the Bulls??

Work relationships are a lot different when you're traveling and effectively living with someone for 9 years of your formative life.

Band members and their crews develop very familial relationships. Well adjusted long-term basketball teammates probably do also.

Given the way TLD put Jordan on a pedestal and dragged Scottie, highlighting and focusing on his low moments and, in many ways, diminishing his accomplishments and contributions... I'd be pissed if I were Scottie also. Hell, I'd be pissed if I were most of those teammates.

[MAQ]

MJ was trying to win multiple championships and not become friends/family with the teammates. Work relationship is just fine.

It worked for him and the team. How did Pip do after leaving the Bulls??

Work relationships are a lot different when you're traveling and effectively living with someone for 9 years of your formative life.

Band members and their crews develop very familial relationships. Well adjusted long-term basketball teammates probably do also.

Given the way TLD put Jordan on a pedestal and dragged Scottie, highlighting and focusing on his low moments and, in many ways, diminishing his accomplishments and contributions... I'd be pissed if I were Scottie also. Hell, I'd be pissed if I were most of those teammates.

Always felt like Scottie screwed himself over in TLD. Jordan didnt say "I heard Scottie didnt wanna **** up his summer." Nope, Scottie was man enough to give us that one from his own lips.

I'm sure Mike's a prickly individual, but even Scottie admits he never reached out to Mike regarding the death of his father. I think they both accepted that it was just a work relationship, nothing more.

[dougthonus]

Artist Gilmore introducing Kukoc was a but of a red flag for me in Pip. I know most recently he publically embarrassed the Bulls with his comments during all star weekend. I think it the Bulls would still have reached out to Pip for that ceremony however.

Just hope he's able to get through. I agree fully that he seems unwell.

Gilmore introducing Kukoc was really sad. Here's a guy who didn't even play with Toni and wouldn't have any close connection.

It sort of makes sense:
- Jordan owns another team and while there's nothing preventing, you understand why he wouldn't.
- Pippen seems completely unhinged and was just separated from the team (I suspect due to his own poor behavior)
- Rodman seems completely unhinged all the time

Still, would have been nice if they could have waited until the Warriors game and gotten Kerr to do it or tried to contact Phil Jackson and see if they could fly him in to do it.

[dougthonus]

Pippen was always unlikable. Just who he is. Jordan felt slighted as a way to motivate himself. Pippen felt slighted because of his inferiority complex. Players might of liked him better because he wasn't on them like Jordan. But i don't remember Pippen ever being regarded as a great leader. He was just a great player.

Bill Wennington praised Pippen's leadership very significantly in his book. He noted that Jordan / Pippen were a bad cop / good cop combo where Jordan tore everyone down and Pippen made sure they all got built back up.

Wennington did go out of his way to find nice things to say about everyone so take it for what it's worth of course.

[fleet]

Luc had the issue with MJ, didn’t like being around him etc. But understood him, and that MJ got him in the right places to win. Sometimes the leader is unliked. By definition if you are the leader (and driver of performance) of 6 title teams, you are the better teammate. Maybe Scottie was better on the plane, but not sure what it means.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

This feels like the last gasp for his retelling of the 90s Bulls.

We've heard it all before, we acknowledge that he's right in some ways, and we don't really care.