Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

Chi town · Post #1381 » by **Chi town** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:50 am

Pace should only be allowed to sell. He’s going to ruin our future with Fields if he’s not stopped.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2021/10/31/ryan-pace-the-bears-will-stay-aggressive-and-could-add-at-the-trade-deadline/

Susan · Post #1382 » by **Susan** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:31 am

Chi town wrote:Pace should only be allowed to sell. He’s going to ruin our future with Fields if he’s not stopped.

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2021/10/31/ryan-pace-the-bears-will-stay-aggressive-and-could-add-at-the-trade-deadline/

“We’re always looking at ways to improve our team. This time of year there’s so much constant dialogue with all the other teams; it’s constantly ongoing. I think if something presents itself to make us better, we’ll always talk through it as a staff. It’s no different this week. We’ve made several trades this season and our aggressive mindset will be ongoing.”

Nowhere does he say he's looking to trade for players. It's a pretty meh statement and the Bears previously cut Mike Davis fairly early on in the season because it would give them an extra comp pick and David Montgomery was clearly better.

The Bears, Seahawks and Eagles are all 3-5
The Niners, Vikes and Eagles are a half game ahead at 3-4
The Panthers are 4-4

That's a mess for the last spot and there's no way the FO is coming out of today thinking they need to mortgage future picks (when we will actually have a window open) to try and come out on top from all of that.

Also, there's no clear spot where a trade would make sense. OLine? Borom and Jenkins are coming, RB? no, WR? Maybe. Safety? There's 3-4 guys who can play and all but 1 of them are hurt right now. CB? Kindle Vildor is developing, whatever.

It just doesn't make sense. There's so many holes, the arrow is pointed downwards on this season and no move would be obvious to make - they're going to be sellers.

kyrv · Post #1383 » by **kyrv** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:07 am

fleet wrote:Sure they should be making all the trade moves for the future. Unfortunately, that stuff is not going to happen. George McCaskey has set this franchise up for ptesent and future failure the moment he didn’t fire Pace and Nagy after last season. These 2 Bozos are all in on 2021. Generally in the NFL, those kinds of trades don’t happen anyway.

The best thing that could happen is if the family moved to remove George ASAP for the miserable job he has done over the years taking over for Michael. Amazing that he has made Michael look somewhat decent in comparison.

Contender for understatement of the year. I'm shocked that they aren't in a little better shape. They did build a great defense but with a short window that is expired or expiring, I mean sometimes they look great and sometimes just pretty bad.

Not sure what to make of Fields yet. I was a little surprised Pace was not ousted last year but maybe this offseason.

Post #1384 » by **fleet** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 2:39 pm

Last night whoever did the game was mentioning that Andy Reid hates to call rollout passes. Cuts off half the field. So now we know why Nagy is failing to call a good game for a rookie like Fields

TheSuzerain · Post #1385 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 2:57 pm

fleet wrote:Last night whoever did the game was mentioning that Andy Reid hates to call rollout passes. Cuts off half the field. So now we know why Nagy is failing to call a good game for a rookie like Fields

I buy this in the red-zone I guess.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1386 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:07 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
fleet wrote:Last night whoever did the game was mentioning that Andy Reid hates to call rollout passes. Cuts off half the field. So now we know why Nagy is failing to call a good game for a rookie like Fields

I buy this in the red-zone I guess.

Yeah maybe if all you care about is completing a pass. It does give you the option to run or pass to get the TD though. The threat of the run can set up the pass or vice versa. Reid is a great coach and I don't think I'm smarter than he is in terms of football knowledge so whatever I won't argue. But Nagy on the otherhand....

Post #1387 » by **fleet** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:28 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
fleet wrote:Last night whoever did the game was mentioning that Andy Reid hates to call rollout passes. Cuts off half the field. So now we know why Nagy is failing to call a good game for a rookie like Fields

I buy this in the red-zone I guess.

Yeah maybe if all you care about is completing a pass. It does give you the option to run or pass to get the TD though. The threat of the run can set up the pass or vice versa. Reid is a great coach and I don't think I'm smarter than he is in terms of football knowledge so whatever I won't argue. But Nagy on the otherhand....

Nagy has been forcing Fields to go through the entire field from the pocket. Too many straight drops and shotguns. Hes not ready to roll like that. Especially with this line. Most rookies are given a couple options from one side of the field. This offense is for veteran QBs. But the guy is stubborn like a rock

Susan · Post #1388 » by **Susan** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 5:00 pm

Read on Twitter

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1389 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 11:22 pm

Would've been nice to unload some vets. I guess its possible nobody wanted anyone on this team.

kyrv · Post #1390 » by **kyrv** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 4:22 am

fleet wrote:Last night whoever did the game was mentioning that Andy Reid hates to call rollout passes. Cuts off half the field. So now we know why Nagy is failing to call a good game for a rookie like Fields

Great catch. Several commentators have specifically mentioned that for a QB like Fields, you absolutely need to rollout, precisely because it takes away half the field. If Nagy has really avoided doing this, which I guess we see his has, kind of p's me off.

Chi town · Post #1391 » by **Chi town** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:07 am

Can someone give a realistic off-season plan with updated cap numbers. Interested in what the dead weight on the roster in Graham, Foles, and Dalton can buy us.

Susan · Post #1392 » by **Susan** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 12:08 pm

Chi town wrote:Can someone give a realistic off-season plan with updated cap numbers. Interested in what the dead weight on the roster in Graham, Foles, and Dalton can buy us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/chicago-bears/2022/

They'll have $49m in cap space without cutting anybody, if they cut say Eddie Goldman, they'll save 6.6m and have 5.1m in dead cap next year. You can play around with it.

The Explorer · Post #1393 » by **The Explorer** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:47 pm

Saw on sports mockery the possibility of Pace moving up to VP and hiring a GM who would hire a coach. Pace has done a lot of good things in his tenure, I wouldn't have a problem with this approach. Keeps Ted Phillips on the business side instead of the football side where he doesn't belong.

They should take the bulls approach and expand their front office with more competent folks

Post #1394 » by **fleet** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:17 pm

Read on Twitter

Crains - The owner of Arlington Park said today that he expects the Chicago Bears will redevelop the northwest suburban racetrack with a "world-class stadium," the first time a company official has commented publicly on the team's highly anticipated plans for the site.

Speaking to analysts during the company's third-quarter earnings call, Churchill Downs CEO Bill Carstanjen said the company is "sad" to be closing Arlington Park and "would have loved to continue to (have) racing" there, but said the Bears "will ultimately develop this prime real estate into a world-class stadium and development with numerous amenities for fans and residents to enjoy over the coming decades."

Chi town · Post #1395 » by **Chi town** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:27 pm

Susan wrote:
Chi town wrote:Can someone give a realistic off-season plan with updated cap numbers. Interested in what the dead weight on the roster in Graham, Foles, and Dalton can buy us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/chicago-bears/2022/

They'll have $49m in cap space without cutting anybody, if they cut say Eddie Goldman, they'll save 6.6m and have 5.1m in dead cap next year. You can play around with it.

Thanks. Who do you anticipate we let go and resign? If I'm looking at that site correctly Roquan will be getting a big pay raise. Also seems that we will have quite a bit of room to sign some real WRs, OLinemen, and CBs.

Lot of dead weight that has contributed nearly nothing thus far this year...
EJAX at 16M
Dalton 5M
Foles 10M
Graham 7M
Danny T
Cohen

Post #1396 » by **fleet** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 6:35 pm

Roquan will get a contract. Hicks won’t. Robinson won’t. Nichols may or may not. Thinking not. Not sure on Whitehair status, but they would probably resign him as soon as they can get him on a reasonable deal.

Susan · Post #1397 » by **Susan** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 10:52 pm

Chi town wrote:
Susan wrote:
Chi town wrote:Can someone give a realistic off-season plan with updated cap numbers. Interested in what the dead weight on the roster in Graham, Foles, and Dalton can buy us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/chicago-bears/2022/

They'll have $49m in cap space without cutting anybody, if they cut say Eddie Goldman, they'll save 6.6m and have 5.1m in dead cap next year. You can play around with it.

Thanks. Who do you anticipate we let go and resign? If I'm looking at that site correctly Roquan will be getting a big pay raise. Also seems that we will have quite a bit of room to sign some real WRs, OLinemen, and CBs.

Lot of dead weight that has contributed nearly nothing thus far this year...
EJAX at 16M
Dalton 5M
Foles 10M
Graham 7M
Danny T
Cohen

We saw how the secondary looked without EJax this weekend - he'd be better alongside a traditional SS that would free him up to do his thing.

So the NFL rewards good drafting - meaning if other teams sign your free agents you're eligible to gain compensatory draft picks depending on how many free agents you yourself sign. It's a weird formula and the video below does a good job of explaining it:

https://youtu.be/gIpo1wgg7ZQ

Now players that get cut - like say Eddie Goldman gets cut - he wouldn't be eligible to contribute to the comp pick formula and players that are re-signed by your team also don't count, so you'll likely see a lot of fringe players staying (think Alex Bars) and important players like Roquan, James Daniels and Bilal Nichols all getting contracts.

I could see them cleaning house all at once and getting rid of as much off of the cap this off-season for 2023 (say EJax and Quinn) through cutting or trading and then
going hard in the 2023 off-season with extra comp picks and a ton of cap room and their own 1st rounder. That's a bit far into the future but they should have enough proven talent and assets to have a clear path forward.

If Jenkins and Borom can play, and Justin is the franchise QB we think he is you've got yourself a real elite young core there.

Post #1398 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:02 am

I almost forgot the Bears were still playing I’ve had so much fun watching the Bulls this year.

MalagaBulls · Post #1399 » by **MalagaBulls** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:05 pm

Nagy's back and at it again with his vomit word salad pressers. We feel great, we're pissed about losing, etc, etc, etc.

TheAlanParsons · Post #1400 » by **TheAlanParsons** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:08 pm

fleet wrote:

Read on Twitter

Crains - The owner of Arlington Park said today that he expects the Chicago Bears will redevelop the northwest suburban racetrack with a "world-class stadium," the first time a company official has commented publicly on the team's highly anticipated plans for the site.

Speaking to analysts during the company's third-quarter earnings call, Churchill Downs CEO Bill Carstanjen said the company is "sad" to be closing Arlington Park and "would have loved to continue to (have) racing" there, but said the Bears "will ultimately develop this prime real estate into a world-class stadium and development with numerous amenities for fans and residents to enjoy over the coming decades."

WTF? Arlington is closing?!? I used to love watching the horse races there. :cry: