James Wiseman 2021/2022

[DevinVassell]

Edit: And Mobley is as good as advertised. Future superstar.

Mobley is ABSOLUTELY incredible on both ends. He just has "it" and his natural feel on offense and defense are next level.

Bill Simmons was absolutely gushing over Mobley in his podcast recently. Likens his defensive awareness, mobility/fluidity to KG. He looks really good... we shall see.

[clyde21]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

What's the point of comparing Wiseman and Mobley? The difference between the last two drafts couldn't be more pronounced. We couldn't give away the 2nd pick two years ago while this past draft is shaping up to be the deepest in a decade. Every one of us would prefer Mobley to Wiseman and it's been like that the whole time but a top 5 pick in one draft need not be anything like a top 5 in another.

[clyde21]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

What's the point of comparing Wiseman and Mobley? The difference between the last two drafts couldn't be more pronounced. We couldn't give away the 2nd pick two years ago while this past draft is shaping up to be the deepest in a decade. Every one of us would prefer Mobley to Wiseman and it's been like that the whole time but a top 5 pick in one draft need not be anything like a top 5 in another.

just because 2020 was a weaker draft at the top doesn't mean we had to make a stupid basketball decision with our pick.

[WarriorGM]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

Haven't seen Mobley play so maybe you can explain it. I know that Mobley was held in higher regard than Wiseman but that doesn't address your statement that Mobley is the perfect modern day big. What exactly makes him better than Wiseman?

[clyde21]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

Haven't seen Mobley play so maybe you can explain it. I know that Mobley was held in higher regard than Wiseman but that doesn't address your statement that Mobley is the perfect modern day big. What exactly makes him better than Wiseman?

a much better multi-level player on both sides of the court, doesn't depend on having the ball in his hands to produce, much better off-ball and is considerably a better passer/playmaker for the position, much more suited overall in the era of pace and space.

[WarriorGM]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

Haven't seen Mobley play so maybe you can explain it. I know that Mobley was held in higher regard than Wiseman but that doesn't address your statement that Mobley is the perfect modern day big. What exactly makes him better than Wiseman?

a much better multi-level player on both sides of the court, doesn't depend on having the ball in his hands to produce, much better off-ball and is considerably a better passer/playmaker for the position, much more suited overall in the era of pace and space.

What you seem to be referring to are skills. Skills can be developed. Maybe Wiseman doesn't have the aptitude that Mobley does and won't be able to develop the skills but then again maybe he can. If he does then maybe Wiseman can become "the perfect modern day big".

[clyde21]

Haven't seen Mobley play so maybe you can explain it. I know that Mobley was held in higher regard than Wiseman but that doesn't address your statement that Mobley is the perfect modern day big. What exactly makes him better than Wiseman?

a much better multi-level player on both sides of the court, doesn't depend on having the ball in his hands to produce, much better off-ball and is considerably a better passer/playmaker for the position, much more suited overall in the era of pace and space.

What you seem to be referring to are skills. Skills can be developed. Maybe Wiseman doesn't have the aptitude that Mobley does and won't be able to develop the skills but then again maybe he can. If he does then maybe Wiseman can become "the perfect modern day big".

no - i'm referring to ability, skill, iq and general bball archetypes that do well in today's NBA vs. not. Jahlil Okafor is not gonna wake up one day and turn into Nikola Jovic, that's not how it works.

[marthafokker]

Wiseman said he doesn't look lost getting instructions compared to last year from his interview. Hope that is true because he looked like a lost puppy last year. But for a lost puppy, he done more than Jones.

[ShootersShoot]

Mobley is the perfect modern day big, been saying it for a few yrs now, there is a huge difference between taking a guy like Wise in the top5 vs. a big like Mobley, who's a much more sophisticated player overall and a much better fit in today's NBA as a star big

it's just weird to me what people were expecting with Wiseman by picking him 2nd overall, especially in this ball/player movement scheme, it's either they didn't understand this team, or they didn't understand today's NBA.

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but this is a pick that's gonna haunt us for a long time unless Wise magically turns into something hes not.

Haven't seen Mobley play so maybe you can explain it. I know that Mobley was held in higher regard than Wiseman but that doesn't address your statement that Mobley is the perfect modern day big. What exactly makes him better than Wiseman?

a much better multi-level player on both sides of the court, doesn't depend on having the ball in his hands to produce, much better off-ball and is considerably a better passer/playmaker for the position, much more suited overall in the era of pace and space.

Mobley also has a better face up game, better jumper, and better hands as well. Mobley can do just about everything at a higher level whereas Wiseman has flashes but clearly a tier below in many facets of the game.

To answer your question WarriorGM, an ideal modern big can shoot, pass, be an elite tier lob target, and can defend/rebound/rim protect. All traits where mobley is above average.

[Old_Blue]

Steph Curry's message to James Wiseman as Warriors return nears...

"Steph was just like, 'When you come back, that's going to be a lot of lobs right there,'" Wiseman said after practice on Monday. "It's going to be a lot of open opportunities for me to score and for me to impact the team on the offensive end."

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/steph-currys-message-james-wiseman-165045481.html

Great. No mention of defense. No mention of offense other than lobs. Multi-dimensional player, thou hast a name...James Wiseman!

[TB]

Steph Curry's message to James Wiseman as Warriors return nears...

"Steph was just like, 'When you come back, that's going to be a lot of lobs right there,'" Wiseman said after practice on Monday. "It's going to be a lot of open opportunities for me to score and for me to impact the team on the offensive end."

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/steph-currys-message-james-wiseman-165045481.html

Great. No mention of defense. No mention of offense other than lobs. Multi-dimensional player, thou hast a name...James Wiseman!

Steph was talking to him about one exact play, an offensive set. That is why his answer was about what his role in that one specific play would be.

[TB]

The big difference with Mobley is that Mobley has dang near generational awareness and feel for the game. He's barely played against pro's and already the game is slow for him. He doesn't foul, he doesn't turn it over, he seamlessly drifts into correct positioning without hurrying and getting his stilt like legs tangled. It's incredible to watch.

Wiseman is never going to be THAT player. But I am excited to see him back on the court and becoming what he is capable of, which is a hybrid of guys like Turner, Capella, Ayton, Wood.

[and1GS]

Steph Curry's message to James Wiseman as Warriors return nears...

"Steph was just like, 'When you come back, that's going to be a lot of lobs right there,'" Wiseman said after practice on Monday. "It's going to be a lot of open opportunities for me to score and for me to impact the team on the offensive end."

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/steph-currys-message-james-wiseman-165045481.html

Great. No mention of defense. No mention of offense other than lobs. Multi-dimensional player, thou hast a name...James Wiseman!

Steph was talking to him about one exact play, an offensive set. That is why his answer was about what his role in that one specific play would be.

Yeah...this is a huge reach by OP. Do you expect him to respond to everything by shoehorning in mutli-dimensional offensive ability and defensive prowess?

Reporter: James, there was a play in the 4th where the warriors could have used a lob threat - do you think you'd help in that area?

James: I guess, but what I'm really here for is to space things out to the elbow and hit some backdoor cutting guards for easy scores. Then, obviously, I'm out there making an impact on the defensive end.

Do you see how weird that looks?

[Samurai]

Steph Curry's message to James Wiseman as Warriors return nears...

"Steph was just like, 'When you come back, that's going to be a lot of lobs right there,'" Wiseman said after practice on Monday. "It's going to be a lot of open opportunities for me to score and for me to impact the team on the offensive end."

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/steph-currys-message-james-wiseman-165045481.html

Great. No mention of defense. No mention of offense other than lobs. Multi-dimensional player, thou hast a name...James Wiseman!

Steph was talking to him about one exact play, an offensive set. That is why his answer was about what his role in that one specific play would be.

And if Steph was talking to JW about that one play, lobs, and Wiseman responded with how he's going to box out on defensive rebounds, then that poster would be ridiculing Wiseman about how little understanding he has about what a lob is. It has to fit the agenda.

[GSWFan1994]

James Wiseman explains why second Warriors season will be better: full link

"I understand a lot now," Wiseman told reporters Monday. "Because last year, even though I only played like 39 or 43 games, just bringing that knowledge to my second year, I'm not lost out there. Like I kind of know where to be at on defense and offense as well. So, it's much, much better this year.

"I feel way more comfortable because I have way more experience than last year," Wiseman later said. "Just bringing that to my second year, I don't feel lost, I don't feel confused out there. I feel like I know what I'm doing. This year is way better because I have the knowledge from last year to bring over to the second year and just build off that."

"Mentally, it's come along really well," Wiseman said. "I've looked at a lot of games, a lot of film, stuff like that. I've been watching [Kevon Looney], watching his position, watching how he plays defense and I've learned a lot. And also in Summer League, too, when I was down there."

Spoiler:

Old_Fart_Blues sucks. Always pushing a narrative.

[HiRez]

Very excited to see Jaws 2.0 in a few weeks! He does sound more confident and he's been observing at least so I think we will see an improvement. In fits and starts to be sure, but we just need him to be playable.

[michaelm]

Very excited to see Jaws 2.0 in a few weeks! He does sound more confident and he's been observing at least so I think we will see an improvement. In fits and starts to be sure, but we just need him to be playable.

He is also going to have some savvy vets around him rather than Oubre, and Oubre was the one who appeared incapable of learning the GSW system to me.

I am not sure what the plan was last year, I think it likely they promised Oubre he would be a starter and play starter minutes. Perhaps the ownership insisted that Wiseman should play the minutes he did, but I don’t think that was the initial plan before Chriss went down. He did show flashes of getting it just before he went down with the knee injury.

[a8bil]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record...big men take years to develop. A big man who had no meaningful college experience, was trained by a former point guard, had no training camp and was thrust into a starting position on a ball movement offense and switching defense, is going to look exactly like JW. Let's give him a bit of time to develop and adjust. I doubt he'll ever have Draymond's court IQ, but there is room for a lot of improvement between where JW was at the start of last season and his ceiling. In the meantime, no need to teach him how to be 7'1"...that should come naturally.

[Dubs 707]

Not to mention wiseman only scored two less points in 12 less minutes per game than Mobley...