Marcus Smart: "Jayson and Jaylen, they don't want to pass the ball"

[Homer38]

So it wasn't Kyrie's fault after all.

Tried blaming Kyrie for everything In reality they have been trash every year outside of that bubble run.

The chemistry on that team is toxic over and over again.

and 2018,the year that Kyrie was out in the playoffs once again

[Pythagoras]

Brown was hurt in the playoffs last year, but in 2 of the previous 3 season he and Tatum led the Cs to the ECF. Why are people saying it’s impossible for them to lead them anywhere?

[Eric Bieniemy]

Because there are times when the messenger absolutely matters. Smart is calling out two guys for being ball hogs when he’s just as big a ball hog while being a fraction as good as those guys. He’s been a MUCH bigger problem for the Cs than J and J this season.

Nope. Truth is truth. In my world a KKK member can call someone else a racist, an awful basketball player can tell another guy they suck, and liar can call out soneone for dishonesty.

All these things make them hippocrates, but the truth is still the truth, even coming from an unsavory source.

The problem us when people skip over the message to ONLY deal with the messenger.

Truth is truth, but what Marcus Smart said wasn’t truth. .9 repeating = 1 is a truth.

Hypocrites lose the benefit of the doubt in getting to disseminate truth because they are… Hypocrites. I’m not going to listen to a ball hog call complain about other players being ball hogs, because their opinion is likely to be biased. That’s the problem with giving an opinion on a matter where someone is being a hypocrite, inherent bias.

Smart should try moving the ball himself first, and see if that improves the team, before he worries about Brown and Tatum not moving the ball.

You're being biased.

He said that Brown an Tatum need to grt other guys involved more. This us clearly the truth.

Even if Smart were jacking up 50 shots a game, it's still the truth. Take Smart completely out of it, and just read the words he's stating.

[Pythagoras]

Nope. Truth is truth. In my world a KKK member can call someone else a racist, an awful basketball player can tell another guy they suck, and liar can call out soneone for dishonesty.

All these things make them hippocrates, but the truth is still the truth, even coming from an unsavory source.

The problem us when people skip over the message to ONLY deal with the messenger.

Truth is truth, but what Marcus Smart said wasn’t truth. .9 repeating = 1 is a truth.

Hypocrites lose the benefit of the doubt in getting to disseminate truth because they are… Hypocrites. I’m not going to listen to a ball hog call complain about other players being ball hogs, because their opinion is likely to be biased. That’s the problem with giving an opinion on a matter where someone is being a hypocrite, inherent bias.

Smart should try moving the ball himself first, and see if that improves the team, before he worries about Brown and Tatum not moving the ball.

You're being biased.

He said that Brown an Tatum need to grt other guys involved more. This us clearly the truth.

Even if Smart were jacking up 50 shots a game, it's still the truth. Take Smart completely out of it, and just read the words he's stating.

No, I’m not being biased, Smart is being a hypocrite. If Smart were jacking up 50 shots a games, his opinion on who needs to pass more would be worth less than what it is now.

As it is, his opinion on the matter is already zero.

[Mamba81p]

Really shocked to see people have a problem with Smart speaking up. The best player on the team is often not the locker room leader. Leadership talent and playing talent aren’t a 1:1 thing.

And is anything, Tatum refusing to speak to media is much worst than anything Smart said. That’s not the Mamba Mentality that seems to want to imitate.

Also everyone seems extremely quick to let Brad Stevens off the hook.


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No, the leader doesn't have to be the best player, but he is usually one of the smartest/well spoken players. He has to have something to be a leader. Smart is a dumb player, who has a reputation as a good defender but he has been awful in the last year. He makes the dumbest decisions on the court, and never takes any accountability, and he doesn't seem like the guy that can give an inspiring speech in the locker room. I am not sure what qualifies him to be a good leader.

Stevens has done a horrible job in the offseason, but he is not the issue when it comes to chemistry, and making these guys ready to play every single game.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Truth is truth, but what Marcus Smart said wasn’t truth. .9 repeating = 1 is a truth.

Hypocrites lose the benefit of the doubt in getting to disseminate truth because they are… Hypocrites. I’m not going to listen to a ball hog call complain about other players being ball hogs, because their opinion is likely to be biased. That’s the problem with giving an opinion on a matter where someone is being a hypocrite, inherent bias.

Smart should try moving the ball himself first, and see if that improves the team, before he worries about Brown and Tatum not moving the ball.

You're being biased.

He said that Brown an Tatum need to grt other guys involved more. This us clearly the truth.

Even if Smart were jacking up 50 shots a game, it's still the truth. Take Smart completely out of it, and just read the words he's stating.

No, I’m not being biased, Smart is being a hypocrite. If Smart were jacking up 50 shots a games, his opinion on who needs to pass more would be worth less than what it is now.

As it is, his opinion on the matter is already zero.

Is he right?

If the coach or GM or someone you respect said the exact same thing, would you then agree?

[Pythagoras]

You're being biased.

He said that Brown an Tatum need to grt other guys involved more. This us clearly the truth.

Even if Smart were jacking up 50 shots a game, it's still the truth. Take Smart completely out of it, and just read the words he's stating.

No, I’m not being biased, Smart is being a hypocrite. If Smart were jacking up 50 shots a games, his opinion on who needs to pass more would be worth less than what it is now.

As it is, his opinion on the matter is already zero.

Is he right?

If the coach or GM or someone you respect said the exact same thing, would you then agree?

I think J and J can be ball stoppers at times. I don’t think it’s as big of problem as Smart is making it. Tatum is a slump right now, and that’s the main problem. I also think Smart’s ball stopping is a far greater problem than Tatum or Brown’s.

[bisme37]

Why Marcus Smart ‘pass the ball’ critiques of Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown don’t hold weight after Celtics collapse

Smart’s comments should only add fuel to the fire for Boston’s 2-5 start but they also ring relatively hollow after this particular loss. A second watch of the team’s fourth quarter collapse shows Tatum and Brown making plenty of passes and right reads in the face of double teams and getting open looks from 3-point range for numerous teammates including Josh Richardson, Al Horford and even Smart himself, all resulting in misses.

Both Brown and Tatum had a shot attempt or two that may have been forced in the fourth quarter but they’ve earned that right as All-Stars to take those here and there. A lack of ball movement from that duo was far from the reason the Celtics mustered just 11 points in the fourth quarter though. Both missed easy shots at the rim but the same can be said for the guys they were passing it to. The rest of the Celtics roster went 4-of-13 from the field amid the Bulls runaway victory with Tatum and Brown creating clean looks for teammates on a number of those shots.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/11/why-marcus-smart-pass-the-ball-critiques-of-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-dont-hold-weight-after-celtics-collapse-brian-robb.html

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Smart spent the summer publicly lobbying for the starting PG job and he's been the hottest piece of garbage in this entire dumpster fire. I love you bro but shut up.

Why highlight that shot by Smart?
You want your players taking 3's when they're wide open like that. The dumb move would have been to pass up on the open shot.

Smart's criticism of the lack of ball movement is still valid. One play that shows passing doesn't invalidate what he was saying.

That play is being highlighted because Smart said we lost the game because he was standing in the corner and not touching the ball while JT and JB failed to pass out of doubles. That is simply not true. This wasn't leadership, it was just whining like a big baby brat. At least keep it in-house, man.

[bisme37]

Brown was hurt in the playoffs last year, but in 2 of the previous 3 season he and Tatum led the Cs to the ECF. Why are people saying it’s impossible for them to lead them anywhere?

Thank you. We went to the ECF's with rookie Tatum as the leading scorer after Kyrie and Hayward went down. And we went to the ECF's again in the bubble with the Jays as the leaders. I know we sucked last year and fans have short memories, but come on guys.

Tatum is 23 and was the leading 4th quarter scorer in the NBA last year and is perennially among league's most clutch players statistically since he entered the league. People think the problem is that guy is not deferring to Marcus Smart?

How about play some defense, Marcus. We gave up 39 in the 4th quarter. And since you basically begged new coach to be the starting point guard, how about making some plays for others. All he does is force ill-advised lobs to our bigs and jack up missed 3s and pat himself on the back. I'm so grumpy with this dude lol.

[evilpimp972]

Brown was hurt in the playoffs last year, but in 2 of the previous 3 season he and Tatum led the Cs to the ECF. Why are people saying it’s impossible for them to lead them anywhere?

The problem is that status have changed, Brown was a defensive force at that time and roles were clear, Al Horford was the leader on the court. Now every one wants to be a superstar, it's not the same team.

[Sactowndog]

Celtics needs a nice point guard. Marcus smart isn't good enough to dominate the ball full time. Both Tatum and Brown are a bit lacking in the play making department. Tatum's shooting has been putrid but I imagine he'll bounce back to last year's level at least.

If this season flops, they should consider trading one of the Jays for a guard. Brown for Shai or Fox (not saying OKC or Kings will accept) would do wonders to make the Celtics better.

If I am the Celtics I want Haliburton. He is a great connector and passer. And he can help this team move the ball and shoot the ball.

[sikma42]

Brown was hurt in the playoffs last year, but in 2 of the previous 3 season he and Tatum led the Cs to the ECF. Why are people saying it’s impossible for them to lead them anywhere?

Thank you. We went to the ECF's with rookie Tatum as the leading scorer after Kyrie and Hayward went down. And we went to the ECF's again in the bubble with the Jays as the leaders. I know we sucked last year and fans have short memories, but come on guys.

Tatum is 23 and was the leading 4th quarter scorer in the NBA last year and is perennially among league's most clutch players statistically since he entered the league. People think the problem is that guy is not deferring to Marcus Smart?

How about play some defense, Marcus. We gave up 39 in the 4th quarter. And since you basically begged new coach to be the starting point guard, how about making some plays for others. All he does is force ill-advised lobs to our bigs and jack up missed 3s and pat himself on the back. I'm so grumpy with this dude lol.

Smart doesn’t want Tatum to defer to him…he wants Tatum to develop as a basketball player and play with his teammates instead of attempting to be a one man band at times.


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[DaPessimist]

It's true. Both Brown and Tatum are ball stoppers. It's not just that they like to ISO, but every time they touch the ball it stops. That can be incredibly frustrating for teammates.

[Dan Z]

Celtics needs a nice point guard. Marcus smart isn't good enough to dominate the ball full time. Both Tatum and Brown are a bit lacking in the play making department. Tatum's shooting has been putrid but I imagine he'll bounce back to last year's level at least.

If this season flops, they should consider trading one of the Jays for a guard. Brown for Shai or Fox (not saying OKC or Kings will accept) would do wonders to make the Celtics better.

If I am the Celtics I want Haliburton. He is a great connector and passer. And he can help this team move the ball and shoot the ball.

I'm sure many teams would like Haliburton, but why would Sacramento trade him?

[Hello Brooklyn]

So it wasn't Kyrie's fault after all.

Tried blaming Kyrie for everything In reality they have been trash every year outside of that bubble run.

The chemistry on that team is toxic over and over again.

and 2018,the year that Kyrie was out in the playoffs once again

Good. At least they made it past the First Round. Not like last year.

[Jables]

I'd say not having a real PG might be part of the issue there Smart. Throwing others under the bus is poor form.

[Homer38]

Tried blaming Kyrie for everything In reality they have been trash every year outside of that bubble run.

The chemistry on that team is toxic over and over again.

and 2018,the year that Kyrie was out in the playoffs once again

Good. At least they made it past the First Round. Not like last year.

They have not been trash every year like you said.Classic goal post again by you

[HeartBreakKid]

Tried blaming Kyrie for everything In reality they have been trash every year outside of that bubble run.

The chemistry on that team is toxic over and over again.

and 2018,the year that Kyrie was out in the playoffs once again

Good. At least they made it past the First Round. Not like last year.

They've had more success than the Nets have had in the past few years. If the Celtics are trash, then what is Brooklyn?

By the way, how is Kyrie helping out the Nets?

[F N 11]

They needed to hear this. Wish someone would tell this to Julius Randle’s face.

[KembaWalker]

I'm glad Kemba got outta there.
I used to get so much flak here for saying that Celtics roster peaked and would only decay the longer they stuck with it, thats why Ainge got outta there, he didn't want to rebuild again.