The Tomjas Thread

[XtremeDunkz]

Hes clearly playing the mental card to get paid and it's quite frankly sick and scummy.

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[Tomjas]

Wtf would anyone trust the Sixers medical staff after witnessing the Fultz debacle up close?

[KL78192020]

eh

meeting w/ an outside source instead of a sixer appointed one makes sense. The outside source is an impartial party.

still coulld be lying just to get paid but not meeting with sixers docs does not prove that alone.

Its not necessarily an outside source. Its from the NBPA, so they will have bias in helping him. There should be a completely 3rd party neutral source.

[SixthStreet]

While the Players Association should undoubtedly be the player's advocate, I highly doubt they would want to be a party to an active attempt to defraud an employer. Which is what Simmons would be attempting IF there is no basis for a mental illness diagnosis. While they have a fiduciary duty to Simmons, they would be failing the rest of their members if they were doing anything in this case aside from getting Simmons the help he claims he needs.

If those doctors say there nothing there the NBPA should be advising him that it's in his best interest to re-join.

I think it's better that he's seeing doctor's at the recommendation of the PA than not. If it's his own, he could in theory buy the diagnosis he desires.

[Tomjas]

While the Players Association should undoubtedly be the player's advocate, I highly doubt they would want to be a party to an active attempt to defraud an employer. Which is what Simmons would be attempting IF there is no basis for a mental illness diagnosis. While they have a fiduciary duty to Simmons, they would be failing the rest of their members if they were doing anything in this case aside from getting Simmons the help he claims he needs.

If those doctors say there nothing there the NBPA should be advising him that it's in his best interest to re-join.

I think it's better that he's seeing doctor's at the recommendation of the PA than not. If it's his own, he could in theory buy the diagnosis he desires.

Kawhi saw any number of doctors before finding “the right one”

There’s no evidence that Ben has done that

[zaz102]

Didn't Missanelli bring up the CBA provision about mental health and withholding pay and Morey dismissed it saying that he didn't think the NBA would get involved in this?

[SixthStreet]

Fox 0-8 from the field in the first half vs. the Jazz.

[DCasey91]

Fox ain’t it folks.

It’s gone from hyper inflation heliocentricity to a more refined build around output. Maxed out teams seems to be working better (duh players are getting found out when you have to play a little more real basketball instead manufacture ball).

We need a facilitator, defender, scorer and shooter.

Fox is bad to bog average at 3/4 no thanks.

This kind of the setup you want to max Embiid:

White/Augustin/Morris
Green/Divincenzo/Vassell
Tatum/Brown/Ingram
Olynyk/Crowder/Ingles
Embiid

One low usage PG, two wings, one switch 3/4 and Embiid and a lot of space around him. These are the guys to eye off.

[Negrodamus]

Fox is playing so poorly and I love it. One for one trade is going to be possible and he'll absolutely thrive here.

[DCasey91]

Fox is playing so poorly and I love it. One for one trade is going to be possible and he'll absolutely thrive here.

Thrive or doesn’t what matters is his skillset. It’s not suitable for our team. We are already behind on defense. Can’t bring a another bad defender on the outside.

Thybulle only works with someone like Steph or to a lesser extent Dame for the offset. Fox doesn’t bring that type of offense never has.

Also SGA is overs for me i’d sell high

[DCasey91]

No team has won in the past 20 years without being a top 10 defensive team outside of GSW 18’ but that’s a dynasty team as we all know is broken.

I still keep to the tried and tested formula of top 3 defense and top 10 offense with a volume scorer as the one in the playoffs >> than most teams ever put together.

[Negrodamus]

Ben isn’t returning and we’re not getting a two way stud defender. If that’s what you’re holding out for, then you’ll be disappointed. I also don’t make decisions off a fluke 6 game stretch: Fox is legit and has lost his grasp on being the alpha on his team. Time for humble pie and becoming a 20 & 10 lead guard that compliments the true alpha of a team, Joel Embiid.

[DCasey91]

Alpha? Really he hasn’t led anything to anything.

Fox isn’t legit. He’s overrated to me. His athleticism will fade and he’ll be a smaller Dlo.

See what the asking price is for Brown if at all.

Fox is not beneficial to this team.

We see highlights etc etc. then once under the microscope you’ll get it.

Some wanted Sexton, now look.

Honestly I’d rather have White, Murray, Vassell and picks. I’m no on Murray by himself but altogether? Yes please. Can be our skinny Holiday to Embiid. All that is left is moving Harris for his Middleton.

White/Murray has some kind of offset between each other, Vassell for the wing. Is it perfect heck no.

But how do you setup with Fox?

Team 1:
Fox
Green
Korkmaz
Harris
Embiid

Two bad defenders (Kork/Fox) one neutral to negative (Harris)

Team 2:
Murray
White
Green/Vassell
Harris
Embiid

One neutral to negative (Harris) the rest are positive to elite

Fox means no Maxey, Thybulle, Curry in a starting unit or the backcourt is super suspect on attack which is where it predominantly comes from. It’s Green/Thybulle doing all the heavy lifting.

Wonder why Hield, Fox and Hali don’t deliver wins?
Coz their rents could score on them.

At least with Team 2 Curry can come in without getting picked on. (Green, Vass, Murray, Thybulle as deep cover). We get +2 Defensive players off the rip.

[Negrodamus]

I don't need to get it, I've watched Fox before. And you misunderstood what I said. He was undeniably the alpha player on the Kings the past few years and it's slipping away. He would be finally in his correct spot, 2nd banana to Embiid, if he came here. I don't quite understand your comparison to DLO, a player who couldn't be any more different than Fox if he tried.

Additionally, I can understand why you don't want Fox as you're advocating for Jaylen Brown and SGA, two guys who are currently enjoying the best year of their career right now. For some reason you think Ben will yield that. It would require us to trade Ben++ for those guys and I'm not even sure we have the desired assets they would be searching for.

The only reason Fox would be available is because he doesn't fit the Kings longterm plans (surround a defensive distributor with shooters) and it's kinda showing right now. Otherwise, he possesses elite attributes that every team would be falling over to get. The idea of trading Ben one for one for him is hilarious to me, but I'd quickly take it if it's available.

I don't really care about lineups. You match Embiid with Fox, you figure everything else out later.

[Negrodamus]

Just a reminder to everyone who thinks Fox is truly a 37% FG shooter:

[76ciology]

I feel Ben opting to go for NBPA mental help than Sixers mental help, is him preventing to get exposed.

[76ciology]

Anyone has flaws. Even Harden or Dame.

It’s really about utilization of value. Are you paying for things that you need or not. Right now what we need is scoring, not some guard padding his scoring and triple double like MCW or guard version of Andre Blatche.

I saw Niang looking like Zion in HS when he just bulldoze over Dame. And I don’t care if Dame can’t defend. All I want from Dame is his scoring and ability to take over games when we need him. I’d then surround a good structure and system to hide his weakness, just how we did with JJ and Seth.

Fox right now is struggling with his shooting. But I look at Maxey. Maxey has been effective because Of our floor spacing that just a screen of Embiid, gives a step advantage for Maxey to drive at the rim while help defenders can’t rotate to the rim because all of them have to stick with their man at the perimeter. Embiid does not even have to roll on those 2 man games.

And once Fox gets his shooting back, then its all gravy.

[Tomjas]

I feel Ben opting to go for NBPA mental help than Sixers mental help, is him preventing to get exposed.

He’s following Players Association guidelines

Not pointing a finger at you but some people need to pull their head in on this issue as it’s potentially very serious

Ben could have done a Harden & gone completely nuclear if it’s simply about getting paid & traded but he hasn’t done that

The fact that he’s sought help, spoken with the team and Embiid has voiced his support tells me that we should take it at face value until otherwise proven

[DCasey91]

I just don’t buy Fox as the second option (Murray isn’t either but you get a package and good depth with him). I’m not an advocate for dvying up the numbers between players and I could be wrong but the depth on defense is abysmal now. It’s soon to be done Green and Thybulle that’s it.

That’s not to say keep Ben either as I wanted him traded before the season started.

Is there any chance for Harris to moved along and we acquire Barnes too?

Fox, Barnes, Bagley
Ben, Harris

Type of deal. Would give us exp and most likely would be a better fit with Embiid. He’s having a career year to boot.

Fox
Green
Barnes
Niang
Embiid

Or go the Spurs route:

Murray
White
Green
Harris
Embiid

Don’t know I like team two more for some reason. Backcourt compliments each other, we have Vassell/Thybulle off the bench, can now move Milton/Korkmaz for picks. Bench like this:

Curry
Vassell
Thybulle
Niang
Drummond

That’s a nice looking team imo

[76ciology]

I feel Ben opting to go for NBPA mental help than Sixers mental help, is him preventing to get exposed.

He’s following Players Association guidelines

Not pointing a finger at you but some people need to pull their head in on this issue as it’s potentially very serious

Ben could have done a Harden & gone completely nuclear if it’s simply about getting paid & traded but he hasn’t done that

The fact that he’s sought help, spoken with the team and Embiid has voiced his support tells me that we should take it at face value until otherwise proven

Sixers is playing a really smart job in handling this Ben’s situation. Embiid and Morey have done a good 4D chess PR move. Ben and his camp is getting outsmarted, aside from turning the back injury into a mental health illness issue to prevent from getting hefty fines which his camp was surprised with before declaring his mental illness as reason for not wanting to play for the team.

Imagine how bad it could be if Sixers’ could get access on Ben’s mental health situation and it turns out to be one big fraud.

If this turns out to be serious, I hope Ben could retire from basketball for I think the pressure of competitive sports (including e games?) may make his situation worse.