Ceiling of Evan Mobley

[Roddy B for 3]

A lot of NBA history and Tim Duncan disrespect in this thread.

[JonFromVA]

I know this rhetoric is hard for people to wrap their heads around because Mobley did not receive the fanfare of a typical superstar stud draft pick. But go down to his thread in the NBA Draft sub-forum on RealGM. A lot of smart posters were making these lofty comparisons like a year ago. This isn’t reactionary BS.

That being said, what happened in college doesn't mean much until we see it happening in the NBA ... and we are. Its a players weaknesses that always convey... when you see their strengths right out of the gate, that's very special.

Of course in some cases the league adjusts or the player just can't keep up the initial level of performance, but only time will tell.

Something else curious is that inspite of claims that Barnes' box stats are superior to Mobley's... BPM disagrees. Barnes is at -0.2 while Mobley is at +1.7 which is best for either team.

There's also a large disparity between their on-off numbers. Rookies aren't usually better than their teammates and so far Scottie isn't, but Evan is.

This just isn't normal stuff for a one and done rooks ... its more in the realm of Zion, Oden, Davis, Durant, etc, but obviously we need more than a handful of games.

Yes Mobley has been an incredible defender and I have no doubt DPOY level defense is well within reach for him. However, I will say that Scottie has been the more impactful and impressive offensive player. Mobley has been racking up stocks so DBPM loves him but that being said, they have similar Offensive BPM numbers; Mobley is at 0.5 and Scottie is at 0.2. When seeing 538's RAPTOR, Scottie is at +1.7 Offensive Raptor, which is 2nd best on the team. Mobley is at -0.8, the 3rd worst on his team. Scottie is also generating a much larger percentage of his points by himself. Like 60+% of his points are unassisted, while the majority of Mobley's points are assisted by a savvy veteran point guard in Rubio and another stud in Garland. If Mobley wants to reach the heights of Duncan, KG or Davis, he will need to show that he can be a positive impact offensive player.

Fortunately he has lots of time to do so because 19/20 year old big men (even greats) need time to grow in to their body and develop and he already shoots better than Scottie which is important.

Also nothing wrong with being a target for a PG.

[JonFromVA]

I know this rhetoric is hard for people to wrap their heads around because Mobley did not receive the fanfare of a typical superstar stud draft pick. But go down to his thread in the NBA Draft sub-forum on RealGM. A lot of smart posters were making these lofty comparisons like a year ago. This isn’t reactionary BS.

That being said, what happened in college doesn't mean much until we see it happening in the NBA ... and we are. Its a players weaknesses that always convey... when you see their strengths right out of the gate, that's very special.

Of course in some cases the league adjusts or the player just can't keep up the initial level of performance, but only time will tell.

Something else curious is that inspite of claims that Barnes' box stats are superior to Mobley's... BPM disagrees. Barnes is at -0.2 while Mobley is at +1.7 which is best for either team.

There's also a large disparity between their on-off numbers. Rookies aren't usually better than their teammates and so far Scottie isn't, but Evan is.

This just isn't normal stuff for a one and done rooks ... its more in the realm of Zion, Oden, Davis, Durant, etc, but obviously we need more than a handful of games.

Yes Mobley has been an incredible defender and I have no doubt DPOY level defense is well within reach for him. However, I will say that Scottie has been the more impactful and impressive offensive player. Mobley has been racking up stocks so DBPM loves him but that being said, they have similar Offensive BPM numbers; Mobley is at 0.5 and Scottie is at 0.2. When seeing 538's RAPTOR, Scottie is at +1.7 Offensive Raptor, which is 2nd best on the team. Mobley is at -0.8, the 3rd worst on his team. Scottie is also generating a much larger percentage of his points by himself. Like 60+% of his points are unassisted, while the majority of Mobley's points are assisted by a savvy veteran point guard in Rubio and another stud in Garland. If Mobley wants to reach the heights of Duncan, KG or Davis, he will need to show that he can be a positive impact offensive player.

BPM is all about box score production (the defensive component is just defensive rebounding, steals and blocks), so, thought that was interesting given people have been claiming Scottie is dominating in box score stats. BPM also feeds another stat we've been seeing come up in tweets ranking players by TPA (total points added).

[Marcus]

been saying it for a while

Mobes is if Timmy comes into the league at 20 not quite physically developed in an era with much much less low post play. That's not to say the careers will mirror each other in terms of numbers and accolades but in terms of what they bring to the court and how they get it done this is that.

The IQ on both ends, the ease in which they play, the productivity from just being on the floor, passing, ball handling, movement off ball, defensive versatility, proper reads, reaction time, discipline, hands.

Mobes can be a hub on either end of the floor, once he puts on the weight and demands LP attention the passing will get it's full gambit. for now HP decision maker is in his bag, short roll decision maker is in his bag, DHO PNR in his bag, the timing on the rolls, the reading of space, seeing a step ahead, all in his bag. This is before the consistent mid-range, before the size to bang into the jump hook over either shoulder, before the muscle to keep balance on the drop step.

Defensively the reads are vet level, the switching, the tagging, the zoning, the covering two, the rotations, the timing, the shot block discipline, active perimeter hands, good feet, good recovery length, all of this before the time in the trenches and size.

Final form Mobes is in the convo for top 3-5 bigs in the league at minimum.

[anotherhomer]

it's quite nuts that Evan has the ability to read defense like a 5-6 year 'good' defensive Center....
if not even better...

very rare....

i know this is an evan thread...but yes, some ppl including myself would trade scottie for evan

been saying it for a while

Mobes is if Timmy comes into the league at 20 not quite physically developed in an era with much much less low post play. That's not to say the careers will mirror each other in terms of numbers and accolades but in terms of what they bring to the court and how they get it done this is that.

The IQ on both ends, the ease in which they play, the productivity from just being on the floor, passing, ball handling, movement off ball, defensive versatility, proper reads, reaction time, discipline, hands.

Mobes can be a hub on either end of the floor, once he puts on the weight and demands LP attention the passing will get it's full gambit. for now HP decision maker is in his bag, short roll decision maker is in his bag, DHO PNR in his bag, the timing on the rolls, the reading of space, seeing a step ahead, all in his bag. This is before the consistent mid-range, before the size to bang into the jump hook over either shoulder, before the muscle to keep balance on the drop step.

Defensively the reads are vet level, the switching, the tagging, the zoning, the covering two, the rotations, the timing, the shot block discipline, active perimeter hands, good feet, good recovery length, all of this before the time in the trenches and size.

Final form Mobes is in the convo for top 3-5 bigs in the league at minimum.

[RoyceDa59]

Him and Barnes head and shoulders the 2 best players from this draft class.

Big fan of Mobley and cheering for his success.

[hardenASG13]

First time getting to watch cleveland tonight. Mobley is extremely impressive, looks like he shouldve gone #1, completely changes clevelands future .

[NRSV]

First time getting to watch cleveland tonight. Mobley is extremely impressive, looks like he shouldve gone #1, completely changes clevelands future .

Yeah man, he’s ridiculous. He really showed off his ambidexterity tonight. Left hand dunks, left handed drives, left handed contests. Looks awesome.

[NRSV]

Yeah…he’s gonna win DPOY on his rookie contract. Gets ISO’d by Lillard with 1:30 left and shuts him down.

Read on Twitter

[Cavsfansince84]

A lot of NBA history and Tim Duncan disrespect in this thread.

Nothing wrong with comparing rookies to atg's. It's been going on for as long as I've been following the league(since the 80's). Media does it more than we do.

[alevirfe]

what a player. looks amazing and easily the best in the draft so far

the one thing currently holding him back compared to all of the greats mentioned in this thread is the lack of a faceup game. he needs a first step and dribble to the basket move to truly be dynamic on offense

[Cavsfansince84]

Yeah…he’s gonna win DPOY on his rookie contract. Gets ISO’d by Lillard with 1:30 left and shuts him down.

Read on Twitter

His foot speed and ability to stop and start for a 7 footer is the best I've seen since at least a young DRob I would say. Plus his length on top of that.

[Roger Murdock]

Yeah…he’s gonna win DPOY on his rookie contract. Gets ISO’d by Lillard with 1:30 left and shuts him down.

Read on Twitter

Once teams start getting more tape this wont be as effective because they won't even try. Right now hes getting 3-5 winning possessions a night because he gets ISO'd on the perimeter and he forces them into a tough shot damn near every time.

Makes more sense to count this as a mismatch in the centers favor and pass it around the horn.

[Vampirate]

Yeah…he’s gonna win DPOY on his rookie contract. Gets ISO’d by Lillard with 1:30 left and shuts him down.

Read on Twitter

I'll say it again, it looks like Slenderman is playing defense on Lillard there.

[hardenASG13]

Hes making the Cade pick look worse with every game he plays. Cade over Mobley and Green is going to haunt Detroit for a long time unless they are bad enough to get the top pick again next year. Mobley looks like a surefire star, hes going to expand his offensive package and get stronger.

[Kingdibs19]

Hakeem Olajuwon with Dirk level shooting
GOAT

This. How did Houston pass on him? Hakeem must be rolling over in his grave.

[LivingLegend]

Hakeem Olajuwon with Dirk level shooting
GOAT

This. How did Houston pass on him? Hakeem must be rolling over in his grave.

Because the NBA has a thing for high scoring, high volume PGs/SGs

[DroseReturnChi]

been saying it for a while

Mobes is if Timmy comes into the league at 20 not quite physically developed in an era with much much less low post play. That's not to say the careers will mirror each other in terms of numbers and accolades but in terms of what they bring to the court and how they get it done this is that.

The IQ on both ends, the ease in which they play, the productivity from just being on the floor, passing, ball handling, movement off ball, defensive versatility, proper reads, reaction time, discipline, hands.

Mobes can be a hub on either end of the floor, once he puts on the weight and demands LP attention the passing will get it's full gambit. for now HP decision maker is in his bag, short roll decision maker is in his bag, DHO PNR in his bag, the timing on the rolls, the reading of space, seeing a step ahead, all in his bag. This is before the consistent mid-range, before the size to bang into the jump hook over either shoulder, before the muscle to keep balance on the drop step.

Defensively the reads are vet level, the switching, the tagging, the zoning, the covering two, the rotations, the timing, the shot block discipline, active perimeter hands, good feet, good recovery length, all of this before the time in the trenches and size.

Final form Mobes is in the convo for top 3-5 bigs in the league at minimum.

i think mobley is a more athletic better ranged version but i agree their fundamentals are similar. evan has potential to be 25ppg like embiid

[CptCrunch]

Mobley's RPM/RAPM is likely going to look murderous this year.

Even if he puts up only 10 ppg, he is my ROY based on defense alone. First team all NBA defense at PF.

[DCasey91]

Back in July:

“To get a gist of how good these gents and gentiles are at this search up the Ben Simmons thread. Everything that’s repeated ad nauseam even today from having defensive monstrous capabilities to questioning his work ethic to the shot was fully outlined back in 2016.

These members got a hold of Shai weeks and weeks before the main media picked him up and still he got drafted later then he should have! Same with RJ who should have gone higher as well.

To Mobley you are in for a treat.

I liken him to a modern Bosh with different +-‘s.

- Scoring, Rebounding
+ Modern 3 ball potential, Elite defense, Better facilitator

By year 2/3 once the strength (Which he does lack but he’s young and he’s a big so no worries there) comes if you guys get him and Mobley fans in general (which I’m firmly in that boat been there for awhile) it’s going to be happy days.

Something like 18/9/4/2/1 is my est. with All NBA defense and a superb ancillary piece to a superstar. C/PF switch man capabilities because he moves effortlessly positional wise from interior to outer. Loose hips, amazing blocking instincts and already a more advanced facilitator then Embiid/Towns/Ayton. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he averaged 4 assists in his prime. His mold-ability for me is the highest bar none.

Adebayo is a good comp but I prefer the dif, modern more defense, better passing Bosh. Heck Mobley had Duncan comps that’s how high some people rate him .

Serious tier one best of group in this draft class.

He’s my pick initially early on then later Jalen Green but it’s come full circle. Either I believe will be the best player from this draft in due time. Have patience and you’ll be rewarded and then some!

Happy days ahead Cavs fans you got a great one with Mobley!”

With Evan Mobility even though I think he’s all the way special he’s still exceeded the high expectations and yet still there is so much to go. Only thing to correct is that he isn’t the ancillary piece he is the Superstar. PIerce to KG surrounding players with TD that sorta thing.

Casuals will say so and so put up 25 and Evan only put up 18... yeah he’s that great my man