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What do we do with the season now?

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What do we do now?

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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#21 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 11:20 am

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Domejandro wrote:Blowing it up is incredibly stupid at this point of the season, wait until the trade-deadline at least.


They have waited for two years already...and missed the chance to add further talent to the roster for D'Angelo Russell...

Ignoring that two years is a completely arbitrary number, you don't blow up a team seven games into a season, even if it is going to be a dumpster fire. Beyond being silly, the trade asset pool is at its worst during this period of the season, it makes zero sense.


This. Plus the very team you guys want to blow up is the direct byproduct of a mid season blow up. Remember Rosas moved everyone but the rookies, layman, Okogie, and KAT. There have been a few turnovers since then, but the bones of this team is from that blow up. So repeating at a less opportune time is not the answer. Also basing it around Ant is liked playing Russian Roulette at this point. His ceiling could be incredibly high I will grant you. But as recent history shows his floor could be lower than you think too.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#22 » by _AIJ_ » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:19 pm

KAT is obviously not watching the right gorillas fighting.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#23 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:23 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:KAT is obviously not watching the right gorillas fighting.


On the contrary KAT is having a hyper efficient season battling through constant double and triple teams and doing so while many of the assists he is owed are not credited because his teammates cannot hit the broad side of a barn. What more do you want from the guy other than to pass less and shoot more?
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What do we do with the season now? 

Post#24 » by _AIJ_ » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:26 pm

And of course, KAT liked a twitter post that says free KAT. Lmao!!!!
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#25 » by KJauger » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:28 pm

Blow it up. Make everyone bar Ant and McDaniels available. Trade for young talent, futures picks and savvy veterans because our leaders are bonafide low IQ losers who have shown to be all talk about culture and this and that but in reality, have never set any sort of standards or held any sort of accountability.

Just look at KAT the other day when faced with a slight push back from whining constantly about the no calls (which has been going on for YEARS), he called it 'PASHUN' in his next after game interview. What a **** joke. The guy lacks in so many ways, but most of all, maturity, and that's not good enough.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#26 » by FinnTheHuman » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:47 pm

Just keep trying to grind out wins and move DLo to play 6th man when he heals up. We looked solid offensively last night, Clippers were just shooting incredibly well. But if Finch is not capable of benching DLo and limiting his minutes, blow this **** up honestly.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#27 » by Krapinsky » Thu Nov 4, 2021 1:25 pm

It should be noted that perimeter players around the league are struggling right now. I think it’s a combination of new rules giving them less space from defenders and adjusting to the new Wilson ball. Perhaps we’re overreacting to the poor shooting of our guys.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#28 » by jpatrick » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:20 pm

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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#29 » by Wolveswin » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:29 pm

Really nothing to do but wait. One game at a time.

Trade deadline is only time when a decision will be made: trade Towns or not.

If he is not traded at deadline, offseason is other option. But let’s hope he isn’t traded at deadline because Wolves are playing well. And not because Wolves want to run it back next year and give this insanity one more try.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#30 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:34 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Really nothing to do but wait. One game at a time.

Trade deadline is only time when a decision will be made: trade Towns or not.

If he is not traded at deadline, offseason is other option. But let’s hope he isn’t traded at deadline because Wolves are playing well. And not because Wolves want to run it back next year and give this insanity one more try.


Feels like we are missing context here. KAT was just saying he wants to stay and win here kinda like he wanted to stay and win for the DR. I doubt he is on the leave town bandwagon this fast. More likely referring to unleashing him either with the refs or within the offense. Also not 100% sure he hit like on that himself. Could have been a friend, family member, his GF, ect… This would be an awfully big deal if his actual intent was to be traded. I doubt the way to make it known is by liking a random hashtag.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#31 » by mplsfonz23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:36 pm

Calinks wrote:We are still building this iteration of the team, all you can do is put your head down and keep building up. Shots will start to fall and the defense has to get back to a top 12 level. The talent of this team can be around .500. The team has to find a way to build an identity and get there.

Going to be a lot of ups and downs and but the goal should still be to improve and make the play in. If we come up very short of that by the end of the year, then we can look into blowing it up or another route.


This Is what I say.

I still think Towns thinks it's his team. It is not anymore. Ant just needs him to step aside and let Ant become the "face."
It may be hard after 7 years, but he just isn't cut out to lead this team. (Reminds me of those 7 steps) Denial is first, then anger, then acceptance...etc.

Wait until the deadline, then lowball for Simmons. We should have a better ideal of what they want. (Or except.)
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#32 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:36 pm

Still way too early but the 3 game losing streak is bad.

Need to see DLo, ant, and KAT together more still
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#33 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:45 pm

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Calinks wrote:We are still building this iteration of the team, all you can do is put your head down and keep building up. Shots will start to fall and the defense has to get back to a top 12 level. The talent of this team can be around .500. The team has to find a way to build an identity and get there.

Going to be a lot of ups and downs and but the goal should still be to improve and make the play in. If we come up very short of that by the end of the year, then we can look into blowing it up or another route.


This Is what I say.

I still think Towns thinks it's his team. It is not anymore. Ant just needs him to step aside and let Ant become the "face."
It may be hard after 7 years, but he just isn't cut out to lead this team. (Reminds me of those 7 steps) Denial is first, then anger, then acceptance...etc.

Wait until the deadline, then lowball for Simmons. We should have a better ideal of what they want. (Or except.)


How in gods name is this Ant’s team? He is young, unproven, less efficient, and has much less bond with the guys. KAT goes back with JO and Dlo, he is close to V8 and Bolmaro. Ant needs to at least make an all star team to usurp KAT, and even that would probably not do it. Any suggestion to the contrary really lacks foundation, unless of course you have some.

P.S KAT is shooting almost 17% better from 3 has scored the same number of points with 36 less shots, and is the focus of the defense. Ant has barely spent any time on the floor without KAT and has had mixed results.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#34 » by Merc_Porto » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:10 pm

I wouldn't say a total rebuild because the roster is young, but that doesn't mean they need time to create something around this core.
This core is not very good in terms of talent, and in terms of fit as well.

KAT is definitely not a number 1 option, DLO is an average Guard, and Ant we still don't know what we really have there.

I would look to trade KAT and dump DLO in the process, I'm pretty sure we could find a great package for KAT.
And I believe it's a matter of time, we just need to anticipate before is too late.

Is this considered a total rebuild? Depends on what we can get for KAT honestly.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#35 » by mplsfonz23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:16 pm

winforlose wrote:
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Calinks wrote:We are still building this iteration of the team, all you can do is put your head down and keep building up. Shots will start to fall and the defense has to get back to a top 12 level. The talent of this team can be around .500. The team has to find a way to build an identity and get there.

Going to be a lot of ups and downs and but the goal should still be to improve and make the play in. If we come up very short of that by the end of the year, then we can look into blowing it up or another route.


This Is what I say.

I still think Towns thinks it's his team. It is not anymore. Ant just needs him to step aside and let Ant become the "face."
It may be hard after 7 years, but he just isn't cut out to lead this team. (Reminds me of those 7 steps) Denial is first, then anger, then acceptance...etc.

Wait until the deadline, then lowball for Simmons. We should have a better ideal of what they want. (Or except.)


How in gods name is this Ant’s team? He is young, unproven, less efficient, and has much less bond with the guys. KAT goes back with JO and Dlo, he is close to V8 and Bolmaro. Ant needs to at least make an all star team to usurp KAT, and even that would probably not do it. Any suggestion to the contrary really lacks foundation, unless of course you have some.

P.S KAT is shooting almost 17% better from 3 has scored the same number of points with 36 less shots, and is the focus of the defense. Ant has barely spent any time on the floor without KAT and has had mixed results.
So.....He's been around a while and knows some players, so what. What has he ever really done but put up stats? He doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't lead, and up until this year he is ALWAYS crying about being fouled. I did not like the fact Butler called him out, but he was right. KAT is SOFT!! Period! KAT has never called out his teammates because he would be called out right back. If you can't see that Ant is a born leader, and doesn't RUN from accountability, then I am not sure what you are watching.

And being friends with Lo and JO, so what? Lo is a ball hog with no D, and JO is just a dime a dozen hustle guy. Vandy and Bolo? You make me laugh. Bolo just got here, and Vandy is another dime a dozen hustle guy. All 4 can go if it prevents a REAL leader like Ant to move forward. Bonding is overrated.

Think Jordan had a "bond" with all the players? Nope!
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#36 » by mplsfonz23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:23 pm

Merc_Porto wrote:I wouldn't say a total rebuild because the roster is young, but that doesn't mean they need time to create something around this core.
This core is not very good in terms of talent, and in terms of fit as well.

KAT is definitely not a number 1 option, DLO is an average Guard, and Ant we still don't know what we really have there.

I would look to trade KAT and dump DLO in the process, I'm pretty sure we could find a great package for KAT.
And I believe it's a matter of time, we just need to anticipate before is too late.

Is this considered a total rebuild? Depends on what we can get for KAT honestly.


Not sure the new owners want Glen to make any moves. It would have to be a great deal, and they would need to approve. Glens in the wind. He got his payday, now time to move on. Bet he doesn't even come to the games anymore. Didn't see him at the opener.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#37 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:28 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
mplsfonz23 wrote:
This Is what I say.

I still think Towns thinks it's his team. It is not anymore. Ant just needs him to step aside and let Ant become the "face."
It may be hard after 7 years, but he just isn't cut out to lead this team. (Reminds me of those 7 steps) Denial is first, then anger, then acceptance...etc.

Wait until the deadline, then lowball for Simmons. We should have a better ideal of what they want. (Or except.)


How in gods name is this Ant’s team? He is young, unproven, less efficient, and has much less bond with the guys. KAT goes back with JO and Dlo, he is close to V8 and Bolmaro. Ant needs to at least make an all star team to usurp KAT, and even that would probably not do it. Any suggestion to the contrary really lacks foundation, unless of course you have some.

P.S KAT is shooting almost 17% better from 3 has scored the same number of points with 36 less shots, and is the focus of the defense. Ant has barely spent any time on the floor without KAT and has had mixed results.
So.....He's been around a while and knows some players, so what. What has he ever really done but put up stats? He doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't lead, and up until this year he is ALWAYS crying about being fouled. I did not like the fact Butler called him out, but he was right. KAT is SOFT!! Period! KAT has never called out his teammates because he would be called out right back. If you can't see that Ant is a born leader, and doesn't RUN from accountability, then I am not sure what you are watching.

And being friends with Lo and JO, so what? Lo is a ball hog with no D, and JO is just a dime a dozen hustle guy. Vandy and Bolo? You make me laugh. Bolo just got here, and Vandy is another dime a dozen hustle guy. All 4 can go if it prevents a REAL leader like Ant to move forward. Bonding is overrated.

Think Jordan had a "bond" with all the players? Nope!


I cannot seem to follow what you are actually arguing here. Of course Jordan had a bond with his players. Of course they followed him, he was hands down the best on their team, and he lead them to success. Ant has done nothing yet. He hasn’t even outplayed Karl this season. If anything Ant spends his time smiling and joking while KAT is leading by example. What exactly makes Ant a real leader?
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#38 » by mplsfonz23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:35 pm

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How in gods name is this Ant’s team? He is young, unproven, less efficient, and has much less bond with the guys. KAT goes back with JO and Dlo, he is close to V8 and Bolmaro. Ant needs to at least make an all star team to usurp KAT, and even that would probably not do it. Any suggestion to the contrary really lacks foundation, unless of course you have some.

P.S KAT is shooting almost 17% better from 3 has scored the same number of points with 36 less shots, and is the focus of the defense. Ant has barely spent any time on the floor without KAT and has had mixed results.
So.....He's been around a while and knows some players, so what. What has he ever really done but put up stats? He doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't lead, and up until this year he is ALWAYS crying about being fouled. I did not like the fact Butler called him out, but he was right. KAT is SOFT!! Period! KAT has never called out his teammates because he would be called out right back. If you can't see that Ant is a born leader, and doesn't RUN from accountability, then I am not sure what you are watching.

And being friends with Lo and JO, so what? Lo is a ball hog with no D, and JO is just a dime a dozen hustle guy. Vandy and Bolo? You make me laugh. Bolo just got here, and Vandy is another dime a dozen hustle guy. All 4 can go if it prevents a REAL leader like Ant to move forward. Bonding is overrated.

Think Jordan had a "bond" with all the players? Nope!


I cannot seem to follow what you are actually arguing here. Of course Jordan had a bond with his players. Of course they followed him, he was hands down the best on their team, and he lead them to success. Ant has done nothing yet. He hasn’t even outplayed Karl this season. If anything Ant spends his time smiling and joking while KAT is leading by example. What exactly makes Ant a real leader?
Jordan had very split relations with players. Half didn't even like him. But they know he was a leader.
That said, I am NOT comparing Ant to Jordan, but just the fact he has called out his bad plays, whereas KAT never did. Sure he has a ways to go before he can take over completely, and I see the qualities in him KAT just DOESN'T have.

Also what exactly has KAT done here in his 7 years?
Don't get me wrong, I like KAT, it's just time for someone new to try and lead. KAT has proven nothing either. Why not give Ant a shot?
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#39 » by winforlose » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:17 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
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mplsfonz23 wrote:So.....He's been around a while and knows some players, so what. What has he ever really done but put up stats? He doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't lead, and up until this year he is ALWAYS crying about being fouled. I did not like the fact Butler called him out, but he was right. KAT is SOFT!! Period! KAT has never called out his teammates because he would be called out right back. If you can't see that Ant is a born leader, and doesn't RUN from accountability, then I am not sure what you are watching.

And being friends with Lo and JO, so what? Lo is a ball hog with no D, and JO is just a dime a dozen hustle guy. Vandy and Bolo? You make me laugh. Bolo just got here, and Vandy is another dime a dozen hustle guy. All 4 can go if it prevents a REAL leader like Ant to move forward. Bonding is overrated.

Think Jordan had a "bond" with all the players? Nope!


I cannot seem to follow what you are actually arguing here. Of course Jordan had a bond with his players. Of course they followed him, he was hands down the best on their team, and he lead them to success. Ant has done nothing yet. He hasn’t even outplayed Karl this season. If anything Ant spends his time smiling and joking while KAT is leading by example. What exactly makes Ant a real leader?
Jordan had very split relations with players. Half didn't even like him. But they know he was a leader.
That said, I am NOT comparing Ant to Jordan, but just the fact he has called out his bad plays, whereas KAT never did. Sure he has a ways to go before he can take over completely, and I see the qualities in him KAT just DOESN'T have.

Also what exactly has KAT done here in his 7 years?
Don't get me wrong, I like KAT, it's just time for someone new to try and lead. KAT has proven nothing either. Why not give Ant a shot?


The thing about leaders is the only lead when others follow. Ant is not the best player on this team. Ant is sophomore who is having a down year thus far. It was the same problem Ricky had trying to lead last year. Guys want to win, to win they need KAT. If Ant steps on KAT’s toes nothing good will follow. To the 7 year argument, what has Ant done? He emerged in the second half of last season after being invisible for the first half at a time when we badly needed someone to step up. His attitude with the media is all well and good but he takes the most shots of anyone and most of them are low percentage. Ant has neither earned nor proved anything in his time here. You want him to lead he needs to give the others reasons to follow.
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Re: What do we do with the season now? 

Post#40 » by Note30 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:26 pm

Domejandro wrote:Blowing it up is incredibly stupid at this point of the season, wait until the trade-deadline at least.


End of season really, no need to be hasty

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