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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#61 » by lorax » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:33 pm

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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#62 » by C Court » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:37 pm

I'm fine sticking with Birch and developing Precious who is just 22 y/o.

When Pascal and Scottie come back we're going to play some where there is no C.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#63 » by G_Misconduct » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:37 pm

I mean when fully healthy we have Pascal, Scottie, OG, Yuta, Boucher, Birch, Precious that can all be interchanged based on matchup at the 4 and 5 right?

Let's assume OG, Pascal and Scottie will all be starting. We have a pool of Yuta, Birch, Boucher and Precious that can run the 4/5. Not sure id want to see Yuta in the middle at all but perhaps in certain situations

Unless you can get a Turner out of the deal or someone who is a legit floor spacing shot blocker that isn't 32+ years old... or just a serviceable project piece for Dragic I don't think it's a huge issue this year with expectations considered

Pascal, OG and Scottie even can see some time in the middle if needed

I don't think a Bagley or Theis or Powell type dude is really needed personally
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#64 » by vulture » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:42 pm

I can't believe some people are talking about trading for Bagley or JV. those guys don't play defense and would never see any minutes on this team.
It's like ya'll don't understand our defensive concepts at all.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#65 » by Ganjamayne » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:44 pm

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planetmars wrote:Can't be done until Dec 14.. but what about Boucher for Theis?


I actually like Theis, but best I can do is Dragic for Theis :lol:


Theis makes a bit more than $8M. Dragic makes $19M and Boucher makes $7M. Dragic for Theis won't work without Houston sending more our way.

The one potential show stopper is Theis' contract. It runs for 3 years (well the 4th year is a team option). Do we want to commit $8M a year to him for another 3 years? He's not young either. He's already 29 years old.


Yeah I never looked at the contract for Theis. Had no idea he signed for 3 years, yeah nevermind lol
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#66 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:53 pm

No body.

Nurse gonna play Scottie. #5 position doesnt mean anything anyway, just for defense. Scottie, OG likely best suited to guard other team's 5's.

When it comes to Embiid and Nurkic, not like Birch and Precious can contain them anyways.

Fred / Delano / Flynn
Trent / Svi
OG / Svi / Wata?
Pascal / Boucher
Scottie / Birch

Send Achiuwa to d -league let him play 40 a night. He's not there yet.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#67 » by DangerZone13 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:35 pm

I understand where people are coming from with "don't fix what is working", but I'm with the group that would like to see just one Raptor who can move well at 250+lbs. With our overall length, I don't think we necessarily need a 7 footer - height isn't as important as length and strength.

Long-term roster construction-wise, we want to spend as little on the 5 as possible, and ideally not too much on the 1 either, and spend the money on the positions that historically win games. So going for big swings here doesn't seem to make sense. I mean, if someone breaks out in our system and it works, cool, but I don't think it should be an intentional move considering the asset cost (ie. Turner, Ayton, etc.).

We've done well thus far, but we don't want our long-bois accumulating eccess wear-and-tear battling the T-Rex's of the land, Embiid, Jokic, Ayton etc. We've got to remember we want Scottie 100% for as many years as possible, and that OG has had an ACL repaired, and Siakam has had a labrum repaired. Major injuries, that even when healed, need to be remembered.

I look forward to Precious' development. He has a defined role now, and he can focus training for it. He'll get even stronger, and with our system it's likely his bbiq improves. He's already looking to move the ball more than force his own offense, so his development is still important. As his skill-set improves and refines, he'll be able to back-up the 4 efficiently too. We shouldn't be sleeping on him - he'll at worst be our lead bench-big for years to come.

The beauty of Birch is that he's so solid, you can plug him in for 1 or 20 minutes, and he'll give you something. He's the perfect vet big for us to roll with 2 young 5's that we develop for our future, while he instills his work-boot mentality into them, and steps in when they don't have it going.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#68 » by BryceMaxJames » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:51 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:What bout JV. New Orleans is in last place this year



Masai would have to get down on one knee and give him his ring. :D
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#69 » by DangerZone13 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:02 pm

The two options I think we could get for a reasonable price that are most interesting are:

Naz Reid - 14th in blocks per 36mins last year, has shown glimpses of some range, 22 y.o., 6'9" 264lbs, 7'1" wingspan. This year and next on his contract at 1.8M. I'm not sure what it would take to snag him from the Wolves, but I like what I've seen, and I want to see what he can do in a system that prioritizes defense. Not sure about his motor, but that could be a product of playing for the Timberwolves. He's young, cheap, and still has another year after this one on his deal.

Thomas Bryant - I noticed OG and Thomas Bryant seemed pretty chummy after the game. OG could be telling him about how well the Raptors have taken care of him post-ACL surgery, and if minutes are hard to find with Gafford and Harrell there when he returns next month, Washington may look to move Bryant if they dont want to sort out his contract this summer. He's 24, but coming off surgery so he's probably looking for security.

If we can convince him to commit to using his 7'4" wingspan on D, his offense would be quite welcome, and with Birch and Achiuwa here, we could afford to bring him back slowly. Selling him on the Alex program, and a defined role could be good incentive to stick around in the summer. He'll be coming back from major injury, and putting a lot more focus on D than he's used to as well, so it may not work out, but if he shows a willingness, he may come a bit cheaper on account of not looking as good as last year.

I'm not sure what it would take to get either if these guys, but as it stands both seemingly have someone in front of them on their current teams, so they shouldn't cost too much to shake loose.

I posted an idea to get each in the trade thread, but they seem to have been overlooked.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#70 » by RonaldArtest » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:08 pm

Put Magloire out there
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#71 » by hype_2004 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:47 pm

JV makes this team a contender, just imagine his passing with this unit.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#72 » by hype_2004 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:53 pm

mowcrowbar wrote:
WeTheNorth123 wrote:What bout JV. New Orleans is in last place this year


Bring the turtle back you say?


JV has never played for Nurse, I think he would excel in Nurse scheme. Nurse would never put him in a position to fail unlike Casey. He would maximize JV's strengths unlike Casey.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#73 » by SunBoy » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:56 pm

This is all about hypothetical - if the raps are seeded 1-3 at the end of the year you're not taking this version of Precious as your starting C into the playoffs. If we fizzle into mediocrity you stay the course and continue development of your young players.

I like the idea of wily vet like Theis that can shoot 3s, while I love me some JV, I don't want him anywhere close to this defence way too slow. Myles Turner is the ideal fit, but what does he cost is the question...
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#74 » by Madhouse » Thu Nov 4, 2021 6:38 pm

Myles Turner would be a very good addition. He's been killing it so far this year and he loves Toronto.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#75 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 6:39 pm

BryceMaxJames wrote:
WeTheNorth123 wrote:What bout JV. New Orleans is in last place this year



Masai would have to get down on one knee and give him his ring. :D


lmao. they didn't get rings if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#76 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 6:40 pm

Madhouse wrote:Myles Turner would be a very good addition. He's been killing it so far this year and he loves Toronto.


I keep seeing his name pop up but is he realistic. I would assume Pacers would demand a ransom for him.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#77 » by Madhouse » Thu Nov 4, 2021 6:52 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Myles Turner would be a very good addition. He's been killing it so far this year and he loves Toronto.


I keep seeing his name pop up but is he realistic. I would assume Pacers would demand a ransom for him.


yeah it seems his stock is rising again. He has been brilliant. I just imagine how good the Raptors would look with a legit shot blocking C
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#78 » by DangerZone13 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:18 pm

Aaaand back to Myles Turner.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Thomas Bryant? Naz Reid?
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#79 » by Hero_Panda » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:23 pm

SunBoy wrote:This is all about hypothetical - if the raps are seeded 1-3 at the end of the year you're not taking this version of Precious as your starting C into the playoffs. If we fizzle into mediocrity you stay the course and continue development of your young players.

I like the idea of wily vet like Theis that can shoot 3s, while I love me some JV, I don't want him anywhere close to this defence way too slow. Myles Turner is the ideal fit, but what does he cost is the question...


If the raps are seeded 1-3 at the end of the year, wouldn't Precious play a big role in that?
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Re: Realistic upgrades at C? 

Post#80 » by HomieOmey » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:32 pm

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FOB wrote:Only realistic one I'd want is Myles Turner


Yeah, I'm definitely talking to Indiana (and/or anyone who wants Dragic for a three way deal) to see if they have any interest in trimming their salaries a bit by adding Boucher.


Definitely wouldn't mind Turner but I'm not sure we're the best trading partners with Indiana. They would be looking for a PF so they could start Sabonis at C so unless we're willing to deal OG, SIakam or Barnes, I'm not sure there's a deal to be had.

PF is a very hard slot to fill with quality talent nowadays and looking around the NBA, I can't see any other player that would be available, even from a 3rd team.


Yeah, there's so much depth in the NBA right now, that I'm not sure what kind of interest some combination of Boucher, Flynn, Yuta, and/or Dragic (or Powell or even Porzingas in a bigger trade) really gets. Doesn't feel like there's many teams that would actually want to trade one piece for multiple pieces. I agree, I wouldn't imagine there would be a deal for Turner either, but expensive bigs are virtually given away all the time, so I wouldn't be surprised either. All I'm saying is that I'm talking to them more and more each time they lose a game!
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