Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[JLop]

I'm just juiced to see Herro start the season so well. Everything looks much improved - his body is noticeably stronger, his handle much tighter, and he looks quicker than he ever has.

Through 7 games:

22.4ppg, 6.0rpg, 4.4apg, 0.1spg, 0.0bpg, 2.4tpg, 31.6mpg on 47.2%FG (8.6/18.1), 40.8% 3FG (2.9/7.0) and 85.0%FT (2.4/2.9). 29.3% USG rate.

His offense right now is almost exclusively jump shots and occasional floaters/paint flurries, so the next step will be to get to the line and get easy buckets on nights the J isn't there. For comparison, Luka and Trey both go to the stripe more than 5 times per game....

While he may never be truly on that tier, I think this level of production we're seeing should be sustainable. Nothing about it screams 'flash in the pan'. He's just become this good.

It's fair to wonder whether he'll be a Sixth Man from next season though. If he keeps up this level of play, we should be starting him and playing him 35 minutes a night to see if he has another level in him.

Tyler Herro is 21 years old. Of course he has another level in him. Tyler probably has two or three more levels to his game. All the players people compare to Herro are a few years older than him. And he even plays fewer minutes than those other players.

[AirP.]

Good question Beno and I'm interested to hear your take AirP. I remember you slamming the FO frequently last year regarding Harden, which would you rather have as of today?

Harden.

This is not really a clean swap to be looking at. If we traded Herro for Harden we likely would have gone deeper in the PO, picked up some buy-outs (one of which might have been Dipo) & had players looking to sign with us for the MLE.

So that real comparison could look like:
Harden/Dipo/Griffin/Morris plus a MLE PG for ~ $60m
vs
Herro/Lowry/PJ/Dipo/Morris for $43m

Either way, we kept the course & have a good team now. Let’s not look back, but instead look forward!

Right. Last year had that trade went through Butler may not have had to carry the team as much as he did last year and in the playoffs Harden would have been the player teams would have tried to stop leaving Butler with lesser defenders. Not to mention how much better Bam would have been utilized by Harden(who really likes to throw alley-oops to his bigs for easy points).

Miami may have still gotten Oladipo in the offseason, possibly with the MLE since he was on a mission to end up in Miami. The roster may have looked dramatically different had that trade went through because Miami would have went all in building a championship roster.

Another big benefit for Miami would have been Brooklyn not having a possible big 3(which still may happen by the playoffs, we're only 2 weeks in now into the season). Miami more then likely be one of the top 2 teams in the East which people seem to think is the case now.

It was a "gotcha" question 2 weeks into the season. Just think where Miami would currently be at if they would have acquired CP3 a month after acquiring Butler but you know... the 2021 plan and thinking Giannis would leave a year or 2 early by refusing to sign the supermax in Milwaukee then forcing his way out(which he probably wouldn't of done).

I do like the current team with it being built more around defense with it's 2 top players being defensive 2-way players. Still not liking the Robinson deal, just think if Miami could have moved Robinson in a double S&T package for Ball. To me the future would have looked even brighter then it currently is.

[twix2500]

I'm just juiced to see Herro start the season so well. Everything looks much improved - his body is noticeably stronger, his handle much tighter, and he looks quicker than he ever has.

Through 7 games:

22.4ppg, 6.0rpg, 4.4apg, 0.1spg, 0.0bpg, 2.4tpg, 31.6mpg on 47.2%FG (8.6/18.1), 40.8% 3FG (2.9/7.0) and 85.0%FT (2.4/2.9). 29.3% USG rate.

His offense right now is almost exclusively jump shots and occasional floaters/paint flurries, so the next step will be to get to the line and get easy buckets on nights the J isn't there. For comparison, Luka and Trey both go to the stripe more than 5 times per game....

While he may never be truly on that tier, I think this level of production we're seeing should be sustainable. Nothing about it screams 'flash in the pan'. He's just become this good.

It's fair to wonder whether he'll be a Sixth Man from next season though. If he keeps up this level of play, we should be starting him and playing him 35 minutes a night to see if he has another level in him.

Tyler Herro is 21 years old. Of course he has another level in him. Tyler probably has two or three more levels to his game. All the players people compare to Herro are a few years older than him. And he even plays fewer minutes than those other players.

Age doesn't make your ceiling higher, it give you more time to reach your ceiling.

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[AirP.]

I'm just juiced to see Herro start the season so well. Everything looks much improved - his body is noticeably stronger, his handle much tighter, and he looks quicker than he ever has.

Through 7 games:

22.4ppg, 6.0rpg, 4.4apg, 0.1spg, 0.0bpg, 2.4tpg, 31.6mpg on 47.2%FG (8.6/18.1), 40.8% 3FG (2.9/7.0) and 85.0%FT (2.4/2.9). 29.3% USG rate.

His offense right now is almost exclusively jump shots and occasional floaters/paint flurries, so the next step will be to get to the line and get easy buckets on nights the J isn't there. For comparison, Luka and Trey both go to the stripe more than 5 times per game....

While he may never be truly on that tier, I think this level of production we're seeing should be sustainable. Nothing about it screams 'flash in the pan'. He's just become this good.

It's fair to wonder whether he'll be a Sixth Man from next season though. If he keeps up this level of play, we should be starting him and playing him 35 minutes a night to see if he has another level in him.

Tyler Herro is 21 years old. Of course he has another level in him. Tyler probably has two or three more levels to his game. All the players people compare to Herro are a few years older than him. And he even plays fewer minutes than those other players.

Age doesn't make your ceiling higher, it give you more time to reach your ceiling.

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Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami. As of right now Herro probably isn't even a high priority for teams to scheme agaisnt(which may change soon), they're more worried about stopping Butler, Lowry and Bam which means also getting some rest for their better defenders when those players are on the bench. There's counters coming for Herro much like teams countered Robinson by taking away some of his shots, the difference is Herro isn't nearly as one dimensional in his offense as Robinson is.

[JLop]

Tyler Herro is 21 years old. Of course he has another level in him. Tyler probably has two or three more levels to his game. All the players people compare to Herro are a few years older than him. And he even plays fewer minutes than those other players.

Age doesn't make your ceiling higher, it give you more time to reach your ceiling.

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Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami. As of right now Herro probably isn't even a high priority for teams to scheme agaisnt(which may change soon), they're more worried about stopping Butler, Lowry and Bam which means also getting some rest for their better defenders when those players are on the bench. There's counters coming for Herro much like teams countered Robinson by taking away some of his shots, the difference is Herro isn't nearly as one dimensional in his offense as Robinson is.

Age matters. We saw Tyler get stronger this offseason. Don't you think Tyler will get stronger and faster in 6 more years? How much experience will Herro get in his next 6 years? Practice makes perfect. He already learned all he could from Dragic. Now is the time for Tyler to learn from Kyle Lowry and this is what will take his game to the next level. The NBA knew how good Herro is from his first season and he was tested and studied in detail by all teams. I assure you, LeBron was not underestimating him in the final. He became a better defender last season and you can tell he's working on that end of the court. I'd rather have a player who scores 23 points while playing good defense than a player who scores 26 or 27 points like Trae Young and is a complete black hole on defense. The Miami Heat have a Big 4 if you haven't noticed. We all saw Chris Bosh's numbers decline along with Wade and LeBron. If you think playing with Adebayo, Jimmy and Lowry makes your numbers go up, I would reconsider. The truth is, if you don't have the natural talent and work harder, nothing else matters. Time is the best storyteller there is, and when it comes down to it, Tyler has that old bastard on his side. Because in the end, age matters.

[twix2500]

Age doesn't make your ceiling higher, it give you more time to reach your ceiling.

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Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami. As of right now Herro probably isn't even a high priority for teams to scheme agaisnt(which may change soon), they're more worried about stopping Butler, Lowry and Bam which means also getting some rest for their better defenders when those players are on the bench. There's counters coming for Herro much like teams countered Robinson by taking away some of his shots, the difference is Herro isn't nearly as one dimensional in his offense as Robinson is.

Age matters. We saw Tyler get stronger this offseason. Don't you think Tyler will get stronger and faster in 6 more years? How much experience will Herro get in his next 6 years? Practice makes perfect. He already learned all he could from Dragic. Now is the time for Tyler to learn from Kyle Lowry and this is what will take his game to the next level. The NBA knew how good Herro is from his first season and he was tested and studied in detail by all teams. I assure you, LeBron was not underestimating him in the final. He became a better defender last season and you can tell he's working on that end of the court. I'd rather have a player who scores 23 points while playing good defense than a player who scores 26 or 27 points like Trae Young and is a complete black hole on defense. The Miami Heat have a Big 4 if you haven't noticed. We all saw Chris Bosh's numbers decline along with Wade and LeBron. If you think playing with Adebayo, Jimmy and Lowry makes your numbers go up, I would reconsider. The truth is, if you don't have the natural talent and work harder, nothing else matters. Time is the best storyteller there is, and when it comes down to it, Tyler has that old bastard on his side. Because in the end, age matters.

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically. The reason around 27 is a players prime is because physically its about the average age a player physically start to break down. The point of getting a player young when they are developing is so they have to to develop before their body breaks down. When a player gets in their post prime they counter the lost of speed and quickness with strength and intelligence.


However every player has a set ceiling which is based off their physical talent. A player can reach their ceiling early.

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[IggieCC]

I'm a strong believer in whoever gets the best player wins the trade.

Harden >>> Herro straight up facts

And I hate Harden as much as the next guy bish

with that said, screw the Nets and Harden, hope they burn in hell bish

I'm cautiously optimistic that we might be able to stop them this szn if they remain shambled (not sure how likely.. all depends on Kyrie and health). If we managed to do that, then we're in a great shape to be a dominant force in the East for at least a few more seasons as Bam and Herro are nearing their physical prime to offset Jimmy's inevitable decline. Nets core has clearly peaked (on a decline tbh), we have not.

[AirP.]

Age doesn't make your ceiling higher, it give you more time to reach your ceiling.

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Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami. As of right now Herro probably isn't even a high priority for teams to scheme agaisnt(which may change soon), they're more worried about stopping Butler, Lowry and Bam which means also getting some rest for their better defenders when those players are on the bench. There's counters coming for Herro much like teams countered Robinson by taking away some of his shots, the difference is Herro isn't nearly as one dimensional in his offense as Robinson is.

Age matters. We saw Tyler get stronger this offseason. Don't you think Tyler will get stronger and faster in 6 more years? How much experience will Herro get in his next 6 years? Practice makes perfect. He already learned all he could from Dragic. Now is the time for Tyler to learn from Kyle Lowry and this is what will take his game to the next level. The NBA knew how good Herro is from his first season and he was tested and studied in detail by all teams. I assure you, LeBron was not underestimating him in the final. He became a better defender last season and you can tell he's working on that end of the court. I'd rather have a player who scores 23 points while playing good defense than a player who scores 26 or 27 points like Trae Young and is a complete black hole on defense. The Miami Heat have a Big 4 if you haven't noticed. We all saw Chris Bosh's numbers decline along with Wade and LeBron. If you think playing with Adebayo, Jimmy and Lowry makes your numbers go up, I would reconsider. The truth is, if you don't have the natural talent and work harder, nothing else matters. Time is the best storyteller there is, and when it comes down to it, Tyler has that old bastard on his side. Because in the end, age matters.

Sure age matters but his ceiling usually won't change, he just has more time to reach it(unless you don't think his ceiling is all that high), Herro has a high ceiling on the offensive end, not so much on the defensive end based on his physical characteristics outside of getting stronger and effort level(which can work if there's enough good defenders around him). Herro does work on his game which you can tell with how skillful he is at his current age, I expect he'll get stronger, add some new shots, get better shooting 3s but he does have real limitations like his physical size and his athletic ability which is why I think he could be a great 6th man going against mostly 2nd teamers. Teams probably aren't even game planning against him yet since he's only been a decent scorer off the bench until this season, we saw the same thing with Robinson after his big year, teams now gameplan against him and his efficiency has dropped from an all-time great to a very good 3pt shooter... which to me isn't good enough when that's your only skill.

It feels like 2017 again when I argued with Minnesota fans about Wiggins not being as good as Butler when he was first acquired, Wiggins was coming off scoring nearly 23 ppg at age 21(so of course he's going to continue getting better right?). Among other things, Wiggins had an issue like Herro does except much worse then Herro, both seem to lose focus during games which from time to time in game threads I bring up a bad routine pass made by Herro, there's no reason for the bad pass other then not having your head in the game at that particular time. Yes Herro can make some fantastic passes/plays which really should make someone wonder where these piss poor normal passes come from. It's really odd to me to see how much work Herro puts in(which can be seen in his skills) yet just lose focus during actual games which is why I sometimes comment on his piss poor passes in game threads which seem to lead to bad possessions by creating a TO that is counted against a teammate or eating up the clock dealing with the bad pass which leads to a bad possession.

[AirP.]

I'm a strong believer in whoever gets the best player wins the trade.

Harden >>> Herro straight up facts

And I hate Harden as much as the next guy bish

with that said, screw the Nets and Harden, hope they burn in hell bish

I'm cautiously optimistic that we might be able to stop them this szn if they remain shambled (not sure how likely.. all depends on Kyrie and health). If we managed to do that, then we're in a great shape to be a dominant force in the East for at least a few more seasons as Bam and Herro are nearing their physical prime to offset Jimmy's inevitable decline. Nets core has clearly peaked (on a decline tbh), we have not.

I don't like Harden overall either because he's been lazy on both defense and being off the ball but those are 2 aspects can change greatly if Harden really wants to win in the playoffs(which I think he's at that point now, time is running out for him as a great player), it's the old saying that there are players who can flip the switch for the playoffs, Harden could have that ability because of the lack of effort in different aspects of his game.

I absolutely will go with as many top 10/15 players as possible vs a well rounded team to try to win a Championship.

[JLop]

Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami. As of right now Herro probably isn't even a high priority for teams to scheme agaisnt(which may change soon), they're more worried about stopping Butler, Lowry and Bam which means also getting some rest for their better defenders when those players are on the bench. There's counters coming for Herro much like teams countered Robinson by taking away some of his shots, the difference is Herro isn't nearly as one dimensional in his offense as Robinson is.

Age matters. We saw Tyler get stronger this offseason. Don't you think Tyler will get stronger and faster in 6 more years? How much experience will Herro get in his next 6 years? Practice makes perfect. He already learned all he could from Dragic. Now is the time for Tyler to learn from Kyle Lowry and this is what will take his game to the next level. The NBA knew how good Herro is from his first season and he was tested and studied in detail by all teams. I assure you, LeBron was not underestimating him in the final. He became a better defender last season and you can tell he's working on that end of the court. I'd rather have a player who scores 23 points while playing good defense than a player who scores 26 or 27 points like Trae Young and is a complete black hole on defense. The Miami Heat have a Big 4 if you haven't noticed. We all saw Chris Bosh's numbers decline along with Wade and LeBron. If you think playing with Adebayo, Jimmy and Lowry makes your numbers go up, I would reconsider. The truth is, if you don't have the natural talent and work harder, nothing else matters. Time is the best storyteller there is, and when it comes down to it, Tyler has that old bastard on his side. Because in the end, age matters.

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically. The reason around 27 is a players prime is because physically its about the average age a player physically start to break down. The point of getting a player young when they are developing is so they have to to develop before their body breaks down. When a player gets in their post prime they counter the lost of speed and quickness with strength and intelligence.


However every player has a set ceiling which is based off their physical talent. A player can reach their ceiling early.

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You are my Heat family, twix2500 and I always like your writings and opinions. You can ask Floyd Mayweather if the Canelo he fought at 21 is as strong as this version of Canelo. You don't need to be too technical in this regard. We speak of speculation instead of certainty. Let's agree that we both ignore what the future holds and how good or bad Tyler will become. I am not saying that Herro is better than Luka Doncic, something that he is not. It's always good to have a conversation about a young Heat player with so much potential.

[twix2500]

Age matters. We saw Tyler get stronger this offseason. Don't you think Tyler will get stronger and faster in 6 more years? How much experience will Herro get in his next 6 years? Practice makes perfect. He already learned all he could from Dragic. Now is the time for Tyler to learn from Kyle Lowry and this is what will take his game to the next level. The NBA knew how good Herro is from his first season and he was tested and studied in detail by all teams. I assure you, LeBron was not underestimating him in the final. He became a better defender last season and you can tell he's working on that end of the court. I'd rather have a player who scores 23 points while playing good defense than a player who scores 26 or 27 points like Trae Young and is a complete black hole on defense. The Miami Heat have a Big 4 if you haven't noticed. We all saw Chris Bosh's numbers decline along with Wade and LeBron. If you think playing with Adebayo, Jimmy and Lowry makes your numbers go up, I would reconsider. The truth is, if you don't have the natural talent and work harder, nothing else matters. Time is the best storyteller there is, and when it comes down to it, Tyler has that old bastard on his side. Because in the end, age matters.

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically. The reason around 27 is a players prime is because physically its about the average age a player physically start to break down. The point of getting a player young when they are developing is so they have to to develop before their body breaks down. When a player gets in their post prime they counter the lost of speed and quickness with strength and intelligence.


However every player has a set ceiling which is based off their physical talent. A player can reach their ceiling early.

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You are my Heat family, twix2500 and I always like your writings and opinions. You can ask Floyd Mayweather if the Canelo he fought at 21 is as strong as this version of Canelo. You don't need to be too technical in this regard. We speak of speculation instead of certainty. Let's agree that we both ignore what the future holds and how good or bad Tyler will become. I am not saying that Herro is better than Luka Doncic, something that he is not. It's always good to have a conversation about a young Heat player with so much potential.

Sure Herro can lift weights and get stronger in the sense of weight lifting. When you look at a sport like bball you measure your strength limitation as the point where you start losing quickness in your game. Herro has a small frame, he has to be careful not to sacrifice his quickness for muscle mass. A good example is when we witness Wade get too muscular and it hurt his quickness and game. IMO Herro strength/quickness ratio is pretty dam close to where I think it needs to be to max out his type of game/frame.

I think the area where he has more room for growth is his BBIQ. He is proving he can make tough shots eventually he has to add easy shots to his game. The energy he is playing with I do not think its sustainable. Right now he is playing like Waiters on crack instead of gummies.

As we now see in Butler, Herro needs to eventually learn how to get easy shots to sustain energy throughout the year and be more consistent. But hey one thing at a time. A bench player its a good role for an energy player.

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[JLop]

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically. The reason around 27 is a players prime is because physically its about the average age a player physically start to break down. The point of getting a player young when they are developing is so they have to to develop before their body breaks down. When a player gets in their post prime they counter the lost of speed and quickness with strength and intelligence.


However every player has a set ceiling which is based off their physical talent. A player can reach their ceiling early.

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You are my Heat family, twix2500 and I always like your writings and opinions. You can ask Floyd Mayweather if the Canelo he fought at 21 is as strong as this version of Canelo. You don't need to be too technical in this regard. We speak of speculation instead of certainty. Let's agree that we both ignore what the future holds and how good or bad Tyler will become. I am not saying that Herro is better than Luka Doncic, something that he is not. It's always good to have a conversation about a young Heat player with so much potential.

Sure Herro can lift weights and get stronger in the sense of weight lifting. When you look at a sport like bball you measure your strength limitation as the point where you start losing quickness in your game. Herro has a small frame, he has to be careful not to sacrifice his quickness for muscle mass. A good example is when we witness Wade get too muscular and it hurt his quickness and game. IMO Herro strength/quickness ratio is pretty dam close to where I think it needs to be to max out his type of game/frame.

I think the area where he has more room for growth is his BBIQ. He is proving he can make tough shots eventually he has to add easy shots to his game. The energy he is playing with I do not think its sustainable. Right now he is playing like Waiters on crack instead of gummies.

As we now see in Butler, Herro needs to eventually learn how to get easy shots to sustain energy throughout the year and be more consistent. But hey one thing at a time. A bench player its a good role for an energy player.

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Tyler also needs to get more free throws. Imagine if Herro can average more than 5 free throws per game.

[dshearn]

Right, also if Herro keeps doing this vs it being somewhat part of a hot streak(maybe it's not, he is a good scorer), teams will change the way they defend Herro/Miami.

Herro has seen some extra attention already… he was mobbed a few times against Dallas i think.

Still even, if the 9 assist Herro can become a thing and not just a one game thing… there is hope.

I think Herro is in an ideal spot. Duncan is seldom left alone he drags his defender all over the court, as you say… can’t really leave PJ alone in the corner and lowery and Butler draw a crowd. It’s damn near perfect for Herro.

Herro has a good skill set, and a killer instinct. If he can balance keeping others engaged versus when to chuck he will be fine. If he keeps the ball moving he will be fine, that will effect what teams can do defensively.

[IceColdCubano]

I think physically Herro is right around were he needs to be. He was way too skinny previously, and put on some muscle which is showing. But he is still considerably springy and very Agile at the moment in fact the muscle improved his acceleration and takeoff. Which is where he needs to stay, he might pick up another 5lbs in his upper body which will help absorbed some contact but that might be his limit/cutoff. He is a very good off the bounce shooter too much body weight and that will limit him there. Every year your going to see him add something new to his game, he will never be a two way player but as long as he gives his all on the defensive side and plays smart he wont be a net negative there. Something people don't talk about athletes are muscles don't just grow they also compact become denser with repetition. That's why you see players who maintain about the same amount of muscle mass still increase strength over the years. So tyler will get stronger and be able to push through opposing defenders as time goes by sheer repetition. You can see this in Jimmy whos bully ball keeps getting better as he ages even though he has maintained the same muscle mass the last couple years. The mayor things Tyler should be working on during the offseason is finishing through contact, and getting to the line. Getting his crossover tighter, and dribbling into jump shot quicker but accurately. Once he masters that he will be an assassin scorer.

[dshearn]

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically.

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This is a good subject… did a paper on this once.



I started with the premise of the generally consensus that RBs are peak below 24. That really supports the less mental more physical peak is very early. I was shocked to find out the effects of metabolism in regards to muscle growth. For example the average age of Olympic Sprinters that medal is 26, for power lifters that medal…25.

The idea that years of opportunity to add muscle and get stronger only works for us laypeople..… not actual athletes. They peek sooner then the average person. I’m sure after posting this, some one will counter it with an actual educated scientist, but unless the years for olympians has changed it should be mostly the same.

We might get a few more years of Herro growing and getting faster, but his next huge leap will be mental.

[Umbooki]

Stronger and faster, not really. Smarter yes. I think we are close to seeing Herro at peak physically.

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This is a good subject… did a paper on this once.



I started with the premise of the generally consensus that RBs are peak below 24. That really supports the less mental more physical peak is very early. I was shocked to find out the effects of metabolism in regards to muscle growth. For example the average age of Olympic Sprinters that medal is 26, for power lifters that medal…25.

The idea that years of opportunity to add muscle and get stronger only works for us laypeople..… not actual athletes. They peek sooner then the average person. I’m sure after posting this, some one will counter it with an actual educated scientist, but unless the years for olympians has changed it should be mostly the same.

We might get a few more years of Herro growing and getting faster, but his next huge leap will be mental.

In other words, he’ll get a better understanding of the game and continue to morph into Manu Ginobili. I love where this is going!

[JLop]

I think physically Herro is right around were he needs to be. He was way too skinny previously, and put on some muscle which is showing. But he is still considerably springy and very Agile at the moment in fact the muscle improved his acceleration and takeoff. Which is where he needs to stay, he might pick up another 5lbs in his upper body which will help absorbed some contact but that might be his limit/cutoff. He is a very good off the bounce shooter too much body weight and that will limit him there. Every year your going to see him add something new to his game, he will never be a two way player but as long as he gives his all on the defensive side and plays smart he wont be a net negative there. Something people don't talk about athletes are muscles don't just grow they also compact become denser with repetition. That's why you see players who maintain about the same amount of muscle mass still increase strength over the years. So tyler will get stronger and be able to push through opposing defenders as time goes by sheer repetition. You can see this in Jimmy whos bully ball keeps getting better as he ages even though he has maintained the same muscle mass the last couple years. The mayor things Tyler should be working on during the offseason is finishing through contact, and getting to the line. Getting his crossover tighter, and dribbling into jump shot quicker but accurately. Once he masters that he will be an assassin scorer.

Thanks for giving us such nice lines to read. I enjoyed it from top to bottom.

[al bondiga]

I agree with the last comment about hero and almost all of the comments being made... I guess only the future moments can tell us... but I would like to add that we can't get a much better hero he's playing great... he just has to keep it up and in a few years we might have Manu Ginobili in our hands... a Larry Bird is a big stretch

[dean456]

I haven't been open to the idea of trading Robinson this season just because of the fact that the team is off to such a great start.

However thinking on it more. If Robinson can get you Harrison Barnes from Sacramento I think I'd make that deal.

Barnes plays PF for SAC but he could easily slot into Robinson's role here at SF.

Changing our rotation to
Lowry/Oladipo
Butler/Herro
Barnes/Strus
Tucker/Morris
Bam/Dedmond

This would be a pretty drastic improvement both offensively and defensively. We'd then have no one in our starting 5 you could hunt in a switch come playoff time.

I know Robinson gives you a lot of value with his movement, spacing and ability to shoot the ball. But Barnes is playing pretty out of this world to start this season 23.3ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.4apg, 1spg shooting 49FG%, 86FT% and 47% from 3.

If the deal became Robinson plus more to get Barnes then that would give me reason to pause, but a straight up trade I think you have to do it.

[Wiltside]

I agree with the last comment about hero and almost all of the comments being made... I guess only the future moments can tell us... but I would like to add that we can't get a much better hero he's playing great... he just has to keep it up and in a few years we might have Manu Ginobili in our hands... a Larry Bird is a big stretch

A less athletic Manu would be a hell of a career for Tyler. It's possible.