Killian Hayes is Really...Bad

QingJames · Post #81 » by **QingJames** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 9:35 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Tried telling Pistons fans this but they don’t wanna hear it for some reason. When you draft PG the very next year after taking Hayes…it’s a wrap. He can’t shoot, can’t defend and his handle and BBIQ are suspect

Cade isn't a PG.

Swag · Post #82 » by **Swag** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:41 pm

I’ve been watching their games and he is awful.

But it doesn’t help that he is being coached by the worst coach in the league.

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Mirotic12 · Post #83 » by **Mirotic12** » Thu Nov 4, 2021 11:05 pm

Harry Garris wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Knew little about him, but I know he struggled in Europe too, and he wasnt playing on Euroleague team or anything like that, so its not surprising. I still havent figured how these scouts decide one Euro scrub is super hyped and the others not.

They're trying to highlight the parts of their game that are valuable in a NBA style offense. Killian Hayes was a big, switchable defensively guard that could already attack off of the dribble and make plays for others at only 18 years old.

Clearly his time in the NBA has shown he was only good at doing that against lesser competition, but it's no surprise that NBA scouts were intrigued by him. That's the exact kind of player that you would be excited about finding as a NBA scout.

Except that he wasn't good at that in the EuroCup, which is Europe's second tier level competition (below EuroLeague level).
The point UcanUWill was making is he wasn't good in Europe's 2nd tier league. In fact, he was below average in Europe's second tier league. He certainly wasn't good, and would have in no way in hell made the rotation of any decent EuroLeague team.

Big J · Post #84 » by **Big J** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 12:09 am

Sadly Cade looks like he could be a bust too. Damn shame.

SearsTower · Post #85 » by **SearsTower** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 1:23 am

Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

barf

BlackThought · Post #86 » by **BlackThought** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 1:43 am

Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

I actually don't think the Pistons did that badly the last decade or so. You can't really fault them for drafting Luke Kennard at 12 when at least 6 other teams before them screwed up on their picks. Zach Collins, Frank Nilikina, Dennis Smith Jr., Josh Jackson, Fultz? I mean if any of those other GMs made better picks maybe we don't go "damn it the Pistons could've gotten Donovan Mitchell at 12"

The same type of logic goes for most of their late lottery picks. They didn't draft the best guy left on the board but it wasn't like they did anything that people thought was dumb at the time and ended up being a disaster.

Again, not saying they are great at drafting but I think they are either average or slightly below average when compared to most teams. Their player development and overall team direction is a train wreck but just on drafting alone I don't think it was that bad.

knicksfan974 · Post #87 » by **knicksfan974** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 1:49 am

Saw him play a few times in Europe and was pretty underwhelmed by what I saw back then.

What I don't understand is why the Pistons keep playing him if he is so so bad? Actually how bad are the options?

cashmachine · Post #88 » by **cashmachine** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 2:09 am

donkki wrote:Saw him play a few times in Europe and was pretty underwhelmed by what I saw back then.

What I don't understand is why the Pistons keep playing him if he is so so bad? Actually how bad are the options?

Probably because the Pistons already know that they're not going anywhere and they want to see if there's any sort of progression through a full season. Honestly I'd do the same thing just to see if it either pays off going into next season or you realize that he just doesn't have the goods and you try to trade him to someone who still believes he can be developed.

Gusto1903 · Post #89 » by **Gusto1903** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 7:32 am

**** Nick Wright

Han Solo · Post #90 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 8:06 am

He looked great last night.

DroseReturnChi · Post #91 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 8:08 am

Big J wrote:Sadly Cade looks like he could be a bust too. Damn shame.

its almost as if detroit should never get the top pick. they draft better in the teens just give them 2 late lotto every yr.

DroseReturnChi · Post #92 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 8:10 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:KOC deserves part of his rookie contract

im betting koc is his dad or got 50% in lump sum. theres no freaking way hes the best prospect and some people actually believed in that rubbish article bc he was quote an expert. the guy who cant even play euroleague and barely producing in euro cup im loss at words. well hayes at least got his generational wealth with some marketing buzz.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #93 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 9:22 am

Han Solo wrote:He looked great last night.

10/4/2/1. I mean, that is a great game for him I guess.

The Moose · Post #94 » by **The Moose** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 9:28 am

Big J wrote:Sadly Cade looks like he could be a bust too. Damn shame.

bold from you after your post that was bumped in the Lamelo Ball thread the other day, would've thought you would learn something about calling players busts before they've played 5 games in their careers

Big J · Post #95 » by **Big J** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 1:32 pm

The Moose wrote:
Big J wrote:Sadly Cade looks like he could be a bust too. Damn shame.

bold from you after your post that was bumped in the Lamelo Ball thread the other day, would've thought you would learn something about calling players busts before they've played 5 games in their careers

Are you stalking my posts? Jesus man get a life.

mpoo_sin · Post #96 » by **mpoo_sin** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 1:50 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:So far in his career, he's started 24 of his 32 appearances. In 25 minutes per game, he's shooting 33% from the field.

I know he's young, but that's a pretty brutal start.

But he has the most beautiful eyelashes i have ever seen on a man! Seriously, women definetly envy him every time they put on their fake ones.

timO · Post #97 » by **timO** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 2:42 pm

Hayes and cade are the best duo, they grant Pistons a top 3 pick till 2030.

UcanUwill · Post #98 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 2:51 pm

donkki wrote:Saw him play a few times in Europe and was pretty underwhelmed by what I saw back then.

What I don't understand is why the Pistons keep playing him if he is so so bad? Actually how bad are the options?

I dont think other options are bad, they are just playing young kid, I mean they have nothing to lose. Coach Casey probably has strong support from upstairs as he basically just developing a high loto pick. The question will he ever develop is a mystery, but they are doing the right thing.

BadWolf · Post #99 » by **BadWolf** » Fri Nov 5, 2021 3:42 pm

I watched last game vs Sixers and Killian is a very different player then last season. His shot is not falling (better last two games obv), but he doesn't play afraid anymore, looks very solid on defense and plays much better on offense too. He actually compliments Cade quite well. Hope he improves, i like the guy, but didn't have much hope after last year.

The Moose · Post #100 » by **The Moose** » Sat Nov 6, 2021 12:14 am

Big J wrote:
The Moose wrote:
Big J wrote:Sadly Cade looks like he could be a bust too. Damn shame.

bold from you after your post that was bumped in the Lamelo Ball thread the other day, would've thought you would learn something about calling players busts before they've played 5 games in their careers

Are you stalking my posts? Jesus man get a life.

It doesn’t take any stalking lmao
It’s hard to miss your obnoxious posts in many young prospects threads declaring busts and stars after a handful of games.

Don’t get mad when your ridiculous posts get brought back up