The Tomjas Thread

[76ciology]

What we need right now:
-Go to guy perimeter scorer, im still not comfortable of just dumping the ball to Biid over and over down the stretch. Its too predictable and TO prone.
-Big F defender who you wouldnt need to send help D against KD or Giannis. Could it be Niang? Let KD or Giannis beat us by themselves while we beat them collectively.

Ben coming back to play for us is not as enticing, compared to before, for me. We’d take a step forward on defense and 2-3 steps backwards on offense.

[Mac1958]

Warriors/Nuggets fan here.

Do you guys think that the Sixers having a good season without Ben has changed what you'd like to see come back in a trade? Now that you've seen a few games without him, you might have a different view on what parts you'd need.

[PLO]

Warriors/Nuggets fan here.

Do you guys think that the Sixers having a good season without Ben has changed what you'd like to see come back in a trade? Now that you've seen a few games without him, you might have a different view on what parts you'd need.

We're like less than 10 games into a regular season. We at least need a clear number two behind Embiid who can score in the playoffs. The need hasn't changed, we need a Beal, Lillard type who has gravitational scoring ability. To get to a title, that's what we need. A true dual scoring threat would also fit in extremely well around the current roster we have, providing we can keep certain pieces in any trade.

[Wilfried]

Warriors/Nuggets fan here.

Do you guys think that the Sixers having a good season without Ben has changed what you'd like to see come back in a trade? Now that you've seen a few games without him, you might have a different view on what parts you'd need.

We're like less than 10 games into a regular season. We at least need a clear number two behind Embiid who can score in the playoffs. The need hasn't changed, we need a Beal, Lillard type who has gravitational scoring ability. To get to a title, that's what we need. A true dual scoring threat would also fit in extremely well around the current roster we have, providing we can keep certain pieces in any trade.

But maybe we can try to add such a player by trading Harris (and assets) and keep Ben and his playmaking/defense ?

[phillynative]

What we need right now:
-Go to guy perimeter scorer, im still not comfortable of just dumping the ball to Biid over and over down the stretch. Its too predictable and TO prone.
-Big F defender who you wouldnt need to send help D against KD or Giannis. Could it be Niang? Let KD or Giannis beat us by themselves while we beat them collectively.

Ben coming back to play for us is not as enticing, compared to before, for me. We’d take a step forward on defense and 2-3 steps backwards on offense.

Exactly that is our main needs

[mjkvol]

If we're just loading up on shooting, I'd love to do a Haliburton+Barnes deal for Ben. Not realistic, I know I know. In this hypothetical though the Kings decide Fox is their guy and they want to make a push to win (a playoff round?) with him.

Seeing as what a revelation Niang has been, I've been looking for more deals that can provide unrelenting shooters to our mix - but also a young piece with potential to make the deal easier to stomach. (allegedly) Haliburton was already floated around with the 9th pick to Morey around draft night. The Kings haven't started well again, and maybe they might get desperate.

Fox for Ben is more commonly thrown around, but in this scenario we get: Tyrese Haliburton - 6'5 do it all combo guard. Not dynamic as an on-ball scorer, but a crafty player that can shoot logo 3's and can make stuff happen around screens. Harrison Barnes - 6'8 jumbo wing that's won a championship with the Warriors. Knows how to play winning basketball alongside stars. Has been shooting ~40% from 3 on volume for years. Up to 47% this year on 7 attempts. Obviously that isn't sustainable, but he's not afraid to shoot it and is a reliable scorer in general.

With Ben out this year I've noticed we've been awful rebounding the basketball - in this scenario we recoup some size we wouldn't in a Fox/CJ deal while also going all in on this Embiid + spacers formula. We also get a piece for the future in 21 year old Tyrese Haliburton.

Simmons + Reed <-> Haliburton + Barnes + Bagley (salary ballast) [add draft capital where you see fit to balance this deal out]

Haliburton/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Barnes/Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Bagley
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

I think this team can win a championship now. And with mostly all of our draft capital + guys like Green (salary), Thybulle, Milton, Joe, Springer we have pieces available to make that Gasol trade if need be for our final push.

I like this deal a lot - the only thing I would change is adding Harris to the group available for trade. That roster setup really does make Harris and Green unnecessary - more than enough scoring and by acquiring another 3&D big will round out the frontcourt.

Haliburton/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Barnes/Thybulle
Niang/Bagley
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

[GuideDog]

What we need right now:
-Go to guy perimeter scorer, im still not comfortable of just dumping the ball to Biid over and over down the stretch. Its too predictable and TO prone.
-Big F defender who you wouldnt need to send help D against KD or Giannis. Could it be Niang? Let KD or Giannis beat us by themselves while we beat them collectively.

Ben coming back to play for us is not as enticing, compared to before, for me. We’d take a step forward on defense and 2-3 steps backwards on offense.

Exactly that is our main needs

We need a forward to upgrade Danny Green's spot in the starting line up. If Danny becomes our back up 2 guard, then our guard rotation is very solid with Maxey, Curry, Shake and Danny. Throw in Furkan as a spot ball handler. I'd want to go after someone like Jerami Grant. He can shoot, handle, defend and has length to play the 3 or 4. Trade Ben for a package with Grant+ and draft picks. The Pistons will be in the lottery so we get to add a good young player also.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

What we need right now:
-Go to guy perimeter scorer, im still not comfortable of just dumping the ball to Biid over and over down the stretch. Its too predictable and TO prone.
-Big F defender who you wouldnt need to send help D against KD or Giannis. Could it be Niang? Let KD or Giannis beat us by themselves while we beat them collectively.

Ben coming back to play for us is not as enticing, compared to before, for me. We’d take a step forward on defense and 2-3 steps backwards on offense.

Exactly that is our main needs

We need a forward to upgrade Danny Green's spot in the starting line up. If Danny becomes our back up 2 guard, then our guard rotation is very solid with Maxey, Curry, Shake and Danny. Throw in Furkan as a spot ball handler. I'd want to go after someone like Jerami Grant. He can shoot, handle, defend and has length to play the 3 or 4. Trade Ben for a package with Grant+ and draft picks. The Pistons will be in the lottery so we get to add a good young player also.

I think a team that trades for Simmons will have the idea of using him as a lead guard similar to how he's been with us. Cade Cunningham is going to be that guy for Detroit. I don't see them making a move for Simmons. I can see Grant being traded for sure at the deadline to a team contender chasing a ring, but I doubt it will be for Simmons. It's very complicated and I think that is why a deal hasn't been made. Not only do we want a fair return for him, but the team trading for him will need to him to fit on their roster. As of right now, the way the records are starting to look, my guess is San Antonio or Minnesota eventually make a play for him. Everyone keeps mentioning Murray from the Spurs, but I personally am looking more at Keldon Johnson and filler. I like what Maxey is doing for us, I like our guard rotation with him, Curry, Shake, Furk, etc. We've got flexibility there. Either way, I think with the way things are going, we can afford to take our time with Ben Simmons.

[GutUNC]

At some point it pay be that CJ McCollum plus Little (I would ask for Simons) and two FRPS is decent value for Simmons, if you can then flip some of those assets and our own to get a significant Danny Green upgrade. Something like CJ plus Jerami Grant in a pair of deals would give us more end of game options, a very solid starting five with shooting everywhere and Grant adding in some of the D we lose with Simmons. If you can't get Dame, Haliburton or Fox (honestly I don't love Fox) Jaylen Brown or Ingram, CJ plus assets is more than a role player, and allows you to get another guy like Grant or his equivalent to build a really strong multi closer type deep roster that can contend.

I don't love it, but then again, I kind of don't hate it.

Putting CJ McCollum's contract on our books basically handcuffs us to him and Harris forever. Not at all a good option.

So what? 2-3 years isn’t forever. That team would be LEGIT title contenders for all 3 of those years during Embiids prime. Plus you’d still have a boatload of pics, Max and some of the other yougins.

Adding Seth Curry on steroids to this team right now and subtracting nothing would be amazing. The goal is to win a championship not the salary cap awards.

If CJ would make them legit title contenders for 2-3 years then the deal would already be made. But if that's what you actually believe, I want some of what you're smoking.

[GutUNC]

Warriors/Nuggets fan here.

Do you guys think that the Sixers having a good season without Ben has changed what you'd like to see come back in a trade? Now that you've seen a few games without him, you might have a different view on what parts you'd need.

We're like less than 10 games into a regular season. We at least need a clear number two behind Embiid who can score in the playoffs. The need hasn't changed, we need a Beal, Lillard type who has gravitational scoring ability. To get to a title, that's what we need. A true dual scoring threat would also fit in extremely well around the current roster we have, providing we can keep certain pieces in any trade.

But maybe we can try to add such a player by trading Harris (and assets) and keep Ben and his playmaking/defense ?

Ben's mind definitely appears to be made up here. That horse is out of the barn.

[Iverson Armband]

Putting CJ McCollum's contract on our books basically handcuffs us to him and Harris forever. Not at all a good option.

So what? 2-3 years isn’t forever. That team would be LEGIT title contenders for all 3 of those years during Embiids prime. Plus you’d still have a boatload of pics, Max and some of the other yougins.

Adding Seth Curry on steroids to this team right now and subtracting nothing would be amazing. The goal is to win a championship not the salary cap awards.

If CJ would make them legit title contenders for 2-3 years then the deal would already be made. But if that's what you actually believe, I want some of what you're smoking.

They’re damn near title contenders right now without him.

There’s no way CJ/picks are on the table for Simmons (I doubt he ever was) and Morey is still saying no at this point. That would be idiotic.

[GutUNC]

So what? 2-3 years isn’t forever. That team would be LEGIT title contenders for all 3 of those years during Embiids prime. Plus you’d still have a boatload of pics, Max and some of the other yougins.

Adding Seth Curry on steroids to this team right now and subtracting nothing would be amazing. The goal is to win a championship not the salary cap awards.

If CJ would make them legit title contenders for 2-3 years then the deal would already be made. But if that's what you actually believe, I want some of what you're smoking.

They’re damn near title contenders right now without him.

There’s no way CJ/picks are on the table for Simmons (I doubt he ever was) and Morey is still saying no at this point. That would be idiotic.

Seriously, I would truly appreciate it if you PMd me your dealer's number. Not even kidding.

[Iverson Armband]

If CJ would make them legit title contenders for 2-3 years then the deal would already be made. But if that's what you actually believe, I want some of what you're smoking.

They’re damn near title contenders right now without him.

There’s no way CJ/picks are on the table for Simmons (I doubt he ever was) and Morey is still saying no at this point. That would be idiotic.

Seriously, I would truly appreciate it if you PMd me your dealer's number. Not even kidding.

Lol right, coming from the guy who thought Ben Simmons was really going to shoot last year after Doc told him he didn’t have to

[Eyeamok]

I have to believe the team falling apart defensively was also part of klutch/Ben's plan to get a trade done quickly. But these guys are showing up and playing some inspired basketball. And yes it's only a few games into the season, but it has to be eating at Ben to see the team thriving without him. Others have said it before but I never realized how much offensively we gave up with Ben and his sporadic play. Yes his defense is good, but to see all 5 guys engaged in trying to score and play defense is great.

Last and not least this "I'm not ready mentally" stance rings hollow to me and is a very selfish move. It may serve Ben's purposes now but in the long run it casts a cloud over the real mental health issue, for some NBA players going forward.

[GutUNC]

They’re damn near title contenders right now without him.

There’s no way CJ/picks are on the table for Simmons (I doubt he ever was) and Morey is still saying no at this point. That would be idiotic.

Seriously, I would truly appreciate it if you PMd me your dealer's number. Not even kidding.

Lol right, coming from the guy who thought Ben Simmons was really going to shoot last year after Doc told him he didn’t have to

????

And now you're hallucinating I think?



The number. I'm begging you.

[HotelVitale]

Warriors/Nuggets fan here.

Do you guys think that the Sixers having a good season without Ben has changed what you'd like to see come back in a trade? Now that you've seen a few games without him, you might have a different view on what parts you'd need.

We're like less than 10 games into a regular season. We at least need a clear number two behind Embiid who can score in the playoffs. The need hasn't changed, we need a Beal, Lillard type who has gravitational scoring ability. To get to a title, that's what we need. A true dual scoring threat would also fit in extremely well around the current roster we have, providing we can keep certain pieces in any trade.

But maybe we can try to add such a player by trading Harris (and assets) and keep Ben and his playmaking/defense ?

1) nobody’s going to trade that for Harris, who’s 4+ years older than Simmons
2) Simmons is done playing for the Sixers
3) Harris leaving creates a new hole for us, sure he’s overpaid but it’s not easy to find consistent and efficient scoring stretch 4s who can play off ball or create on their own. And no Georges Niang driving twice on Kelly Olynyk doesn’t mean he’s ready to do that steadily in the 2nd rd of the playoffs

[Iverson Armband]

Seriously, I would truly appreciate it if you PMd me your dealer's number. Not even kidding.

Lol right, coming from the guy who thought Ben Simmons was really going to shoot last year after Doc told him he didn’t have to

????

And now you're hallucinating I think?



The number. I'm begging you.

Ahh, the old “play dumb” strategy.

I’m too lazy to hit the archives, you got it dude

[GutUNC]

Lol right, coming from the guy who thought Ben Simmons was really going to shoot last year after Doc told him he didn’t have to

????

And now you're hallucinating I think?



The number. I'm begging you.

Ahh, the old “play dumb” strategy.

I’m too lazy to hit the archives, you got it dude

It's not "play dumb", it's that you're obviously confusing me with someone else because that's not something I would have come close to saying. But sure, "you don't have time".

[Mik317]

Our good start actually only bolsters the need for a "gamechanger" actually.

If we were stumbling out the gate, a picks platter and a secret tank might have been the better move. Team still struggles at the same thing that have killed us in the past. No closer. Seth has been able to be close to that but he is small and slow and even his bro struggles at that in the playoffs. Maxey is too green still (but might be the in house option IMO... he has had some big drive daggers quietly so far IMO). You add a real shot creator to this roster and you might have a real contender on your hands. Another role player doesn't really fix much. Picks don't help right away either. So the fast start should only embolden Morey to keep playing hard ball and looking for "that guy". Still don't know who that is and still doubt Ben fetches that but...no real rush unless Klutch/Ben decides to make things ugly again to ruin the vibes.

[ProcessDoctor]

Can we have Fox already? The fit is obvious from both sides.